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ZOS, nerf Sorc shield
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Keep_Door✭✭✭✭✭My sheild is like 5k (non-cp) that pretty much protects me from one hit. I have to time my sheilds perfectly through the burst or i die (7light all divines). Dont blame my sheild that you cant time your burst around you're cc ......
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pkuronen✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »
You cannot fit 5 + 5 + 2 with two hand. And why not Julianos + Mothers to max out dmg?
edit: or Julianos + Treasure hunter + one free slot from magelight.Edited by pkuronen on May 2, 2017 12:53PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »
You cannot fit 5 + 5 + 2 with two hand. And why not Julianos + Mothers to max out dmg?
edit: or Julianos + Treasure hunter + one free slot from magelight.
Sure you can. Lich resto staff, BSW destro staff.
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You need sustain - or you'll get ran out of resources - unless your burst is obscene which you won't get with Treasure/Mothers.. I mean you get over 50% crit chance just from CP/light armour/magelight which is plenty for PVP (too much cripples you vs shield-users/high-impen)
The biggest benefint from magelight for a PVP magsorc is the extra magica (which you are also missing with Treas/mothers). More mag = bigger shields = casting them less often = less need for sustain. Basically, small shields and no sustain will get you killed quick.
BSW just out-performs julianos by a mile - just getting the sharpened flame staff is a grind most don't want. Doesn't stop it being meta though. (although I prefer max-mag to spelldmg)
Edited by Biro123 on May 2, 2017 1:11PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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Izariel✭✭✭Actually, my Sorcerer feels extremely weak. I am just about to give him up because of how gimped he feels. I get 2 shot regularly, even with my shield up. Perhaps you are just bad?0
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But there are a handful that I dueled. Some of the better sorcs do in fact have a bsw staff. sure it's no where near majority but just because something isn't common doesn't mean it isn't op. Honestly it doesn't matter what damage set you use as long as you have lich and pirate skeleton you are unkillable 1v1. A magsorc with lich and pirate skeleton is the most dominant build in the game right now for duels and open world PvP. It's to the point now that if I'm dueling a sorc and he has pirate skeleton I instantly forfeit. I don't have time to fight a 10 minutes duel against someone who is probably below my skill level that I can't kill because of how op his build is. If you can name a build that is more dominant than bsw/lich/ps I'm all earsEdited by thankyourat on May 2, 2017 9:33PM2 -
antihero727✭✭✭✭✭I remember last year if you were a sorc no one would take you in a vet trial. Only the holdouts ran them in pvp and we were looked down upon for very low dps. All classes have their time to shine and time to sit on the bench because meta has changed. If you do not remember this right after thieves guild you must still have low CP. this patch is sorc warden combo meta, next will be something different. It's the only constant from ZOS. QQ some more because soon enough you will be QQing about another class soon.Veldrn-AD Magica Sorc
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Phreeki✭✭✭If you run into a sorc with 10 people in your group and he kills all of you, it's not the sorcs fault you played badly.4
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If you cant burst through a sorvs shield then your doing something wrong. My stamblade stam dk magic templar and magic dk have no problems bursting through a sorcs shield0 -
crazykrypto✭✭Sorcs dont need a nerf. They are the only decent and balanced class. All the other classes need buffs. So combat can go smoother and faster.I used to be a dragon once, then I took an adventurer to the knee...0
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✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »
But there are a handful that I dueled. Some of the better sorcs do in fact have a bsw staff. sure it's no where near majority but just because something isn't common doesn't mean it isn't op. Honestly it doesn't matter what damage set you use as long as you have lich and pirate skeleton you are unkillable 1v1. A magsorc with lich and pirate skeleton is the most dominant build in the game right now for duels and open world PvP. It's to the point now that if I'm dueling a sorc and he has pirate skeleton I instantly forfeit. I don't have time to fight a 10 minutes duel against someone who is probably below my skill level that I can't kill because of how op his build is. If you can name a build that is more dominant than bsw/lich/ps I'm all ears
Open world, yes that sorc set up is among the best. But more than anything, its because of the sorc mobility which complements the other factors. Without the mobility, the sustain and tankiness alone aren't that dominant compared to some other meta builds. There are also amberplasm builds which are just as effective. In duels, magicka sorc is ok. Theres quite a few varieties of stamina templar that are far superior 1v1.1 -
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✭✭Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »
If you cant burst through a sorvs shield then your doing something wrong. My stamblade stam dk magic templar and magic dk have no problems bursting through a sorcs shield
Go on, you. Console, amirite?
Snipers who do 50k on mammoths with a weapon damage build can't strip shields off some sorcs. Stamblades can if they can spend a few minutes to run the sorc out of stam.
Put irresistible damage enchants back in the game. That will fix everything!
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aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭Btw people complaining about sorc shield. You should know dodge roll, rally, vigor is better then shields when vs 2 or more players. Perma blocking dk will last longer. Nb can cloak dodge anything. All pretty balance imo and you all can use pirate skelly if you feel like it.
I got both those sets including a bsw inferno staff and I have never tried this wow, this gonna be good. Definitely testing this out.thankyourat wrote: »
Edited by aLi3nZ on May 5, 2017 10:54PM0 -
jakeyura✭✭i don't know what the solution is but something needs to be done to sorcs to balance them.
Sorcs should have to use their shields wisely and not just spam them for the entire duration of a fight. Right now it takes 3 brain cells to play a sorc. Rule 1: Keep your shields up, Rule 2: time curse and drags together and animation cancel everything.
They have zero sacrifice. They are easy to play, can make up for any mistake they make by focusing on their shields until they absorb all your burst. They have the highest sustain while also having the highest damage and max pools. It's unbelievable that they have gone this long without some type of rebalancing.
And anyone that says the dropping the shield time to 6 seconds effected their sorc is a liar. 1 shield in a fight doesn't last 6 seconds anyways. Sorcs just recast all their shields every 2-3 seconds.1 -
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✭✭I think making sorcs unable to streak in roots would do the trick.Edited by Chrlynsch on May 5, 2017 11:17PMCaius
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Awww you think cloak actually works.I wish It worked that way.I lost count how many Nb cloak I broke today with Venom arrow alone.Btw people complaining about sorc shield. You should know dodge roll, rally, vigor is better then shields when vs 2 or more players. Perma blocking dk will last longer. Nb can cloak dodge anything. All pretty balance imo and you all can use pirate skelly if you feel like it.thankyourat wrote: »
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✭✭✭✭i don't know what the solution is but something needs to be done to sorcs to balance them.
Sorcs should have to use their shields wisely and not just spam them for the entire duration of a fight. Right now it takes 3 brain cells to play a sorc. Rule 1: Keep your shields up, Rule 2: time curse and drags together and animation cancel everything.
They have zero sacrifice. They are easy to play, can make up for any mistake they make by focusing on their shields until they absorb all your burst. They have the highest sustain while also having the highest damage and max pools. It's unbelievable that they have gone this long without some type of rebalancing.
And anyone that says the dropping the shield time to 6 seconds effected their sorc is a liar. 1 shield in a fight doesn't last 6 seconds anyways. Sorcs just recast all their shields every 2-3 seconds.
They don't have highest sustain, not by a long way. The sorc sustain you see cones from 'gasp' sustain sets, not sorc abilities. They have to run these sets to fuel those shields.
Now on using shields reactively, that could only work if they made them instant and cancel other stuff like how block does. Imagine trying to use them reactively.. In combat, start casting curse just as you notice an incoming snipe.. Now block would cancel that curse and instantly block, same with dodge..but to shield you have to first wait for curse to finish casting, and second, cast the shield (which doesn't take effect till the end of that particular animation).. During which time, you've not only been hit with the snipe but the heavy attack and poison injection that usually come with it...
They have to be used pro actively, often when not needed which is a huge resource drain, which is why I keep saying the new blanket resource changes will hit sorcs more than other classes...Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭thankyourat wrote: »
But there are a handful that I dueled. Some of the better sorcs do in fact have a bsw staff. sure it's no where near majority but just because something isn't common doesn't mean it isn't op. Honestly it doesn't matter what damage set you use as long as you have lich and pirate skeleton you are unkillable 1v1. A magsorc with lich and pirate skeleton is the most dominant build in the game right now for duels and open world PvP. It's to the point now that if I'm dueling a sorc and he has pirate skeleton I instantly forfeit. I don't have time to fight a 10 minutes duel against someone who is probably below my skill level that I can't kill because of how op his build is. If you can name a build that is more dominant than bsw/lich/ps I'm all ears
Don't think the entire class should be blamed for two over performing sets. Think we all can after lich and pirate skeleton need to be addressed. And it's not just over powered on a Sorcerer... Templars can cleanse the defile, and everyone benefits from high recovery.
I highly expected to see a hit on lich, not quite sure how it's made it this far into the PTS without being addressed...
As far as Pirate Skeleton that 1% change was laughable... It's crazy how so many people can agree on a problem, and have it go unchanged still.0 -
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Awww you think cloak actually works.I wish It worked that way.I lost count how many Nb cloak I broke today with Venom arrow alone.Btw people complaining about sorc shield. You should know dodge roll, rally, vigor is better then shields when vs 2 or more players. Perma blocking dk will last longer. Nb can cloak dodge anything. All pretty balance imo and you all can use pirate skelly if you feel like it.thankyourat wrote: »
I have a magika nb and I was referring to magika nb vs sorc. I just chucked on cloak whenever a frag was coming at me then can walk up and stun them with concealed weapon. Also of course have double take active for 20% dodge chance.Edited by aLi3nZ on May 8, 2017 8:08AM1 -
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✭✭It all circles back to ZoS' choice to make defense scale with primary offensive stat.0 -
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Awww you think cloak actually works.I wish It worked that way.I lost count how many Nb cloak I broke today with Venom arrow alone.Btw people complaining about sorc shield. You should know dodge roll, rally, vigor is better then shields when vs 2 or more players. Perma blocking dk will last longer. Nb can cloak dodge anything. All pretty balance imo and you all can use pirate skelly if you feel like it.thankyourat wrote: »
I have a magika nb and I was referring to magika nb vs sorc. I just chucked on cloak whenever a frag was coming at me then can walk up and stun them with concealed weapon. Also of course have double take active for 20% dodge chance.
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Hmm concealed weapon hit like a wet noodle on a good day. When a sorc noticed your a melee mag blade they would just sit in there mines. Hey If you say so.
Awww you think cloak actually works.I wish It worked that way.I lost count how many Nb cloak I broke today with Venom arrow alone.Btw people complaining about sorc shield. You should know dodge roll, rally, vigor is better then shields when vs 2 or more players. Perma blocking dk will last longer. Nb can cloak dodge anything. All pretty balance imo and you all can use pirate skelly if you feel like it.thankyourat wrote: »
I have a magika nb and I was referring to magika nb vs sorc. I just chucked on cloak whenever a frag was coming at me then can walk up and stun them with concealed weapon. Also of course have double take active for 20% dodge chance.
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✭thankyourat wrote: »
But there are a handful that I dueled. Some of the better sorcs do in fact have a bsw staff. sure it's no where near majority but just because something isn't common doesn't mean it isn't op. Honestly it doesn't matter what damage set you use as long as you have lich and pirate skeleton you are unkillable 1v1. A magsorc with lich and pirate skeleton is the most dominant build in the game right now for duels and open world PvP. It's to the point now that if I'm dueling a sorc and he has pirate skeleton I instantly forfeit. I don't have time to fight a 10 minutes duel against someone who is probably below my skill level that I can't kill because of how op his build is. If you can name a build that is more dominant than bsw/lich/ps I'm all ears
Sounds like people are finally catching on to the build video I created over 6 months ago. Atm I run lich bsw vma destro and 1x infernal. Timed burst and skill, that's the counter. Pirate skeleton gets easier to work around when you time your burst to hit them the moment they exit pirate. When they are in it just sustain and gen ult. Def is a crutch set but it isn't hard once you figure it out.
This change to pirate is also pretty meh because it won't be hard to proc pirate from overflow damage. Which means it's still effectiveEdited by Irylia on May 10, 2017 8:11PM0 -
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✭✭There is no reason for shield nerf!
Harness Magicka is another shield,
In PVP shields are already half strength!
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✭As a stamina nightblade even I will admit that once you cc a sorc twice they are pretty much screwed as far as breaking out of your next cc. I'll fear a sorc twice and weaving heavy with surprise attack and then fear them again. By that time all stam is gone then I go in for the kill with that lovely incap decreasing thier healing by 55% and increasing my damage greatly due to being prone and the 20% buff for 5 seconds. They don't need to be nerfed for thier shields. However destro ults I feal are entirely too overpowered. I can stand the power of this skill if they would either make it so the ability can't move or decrease the radias0 -
scipionumatia✭✭✭✭Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »So you want them to nerf the nerfed shields? They used to last twenty seconds now they last six, what do you propose that they last three seconds?
I mean, dk scales last 4 secs and can only reflect 4 projectiles so maybe sorc shields only lasting 3-4 seconds would be appropriate? (I'm not a sorc hater, I play every class except mag dk, haven't made one yet. Probably won't make one tbh haha)Scipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
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Kalebron✭✭✭And it is pretty funny how in this game a magica class can just stand on one spot, casting whatever they want, not trying to be mobile, while stamina class is another story...
I have rarely had an issue as a magicka nb killing a sorc or eating through a sorc shield. Not sure what problem you are having, but CC works best and each class has a good one. Also, using magicka drain pots especially in this next patch will great diminish the sorc ability to recast a shield due to having no magicka. Mainly I always use magicka drain pots. Pots a are OP.0 -
Kalebron✭✭✭Really, ZOS, you should nerf those sorc, which are using shileds 24/7, it's just impossible to cut through it, also you can't crit on shield! Those shields make sorc class extremely tanky and they also hit like trucks!
Yes, I agree. ZOS needs to allow crit to shields. Sorcs that know how to play the class can deal a crazy amount of damage and eat everything. Hardened ward and light armor ward with bastion.
I would definitely agree with this.
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