Why BOW dps? Whyyyyyyy?????

akl77 · May 2017

dotme wrote: »

Perhaps some players are just playing a video game to have a little fun and don't actually wish to study for a PhD in ESO builds.

Casuals are what keeps this game from shutting down tomorrow. As much as things like this might irritate those with a more dedicated and scientific attitude, were it not for the masses of people just playing for a good time this game would be on life support or dead already. Yes, it's frustrating but also more of a challenge to complete the dungeon. Variety is the spice of life

That's true, so make sure you have 1-2 hours free to invest in that single dungeon..
If not, leave the group and queue another.

Cadbury · May 2017

I just want to know: why do I see MAG players using bow?? I've seen a current trend of mag sorcs alternate between hard frags and snipe...

These are players with CP levels, not new players. Seriously, it's weird

bebynnag · May 2017

Cadbury wrote: »

I just want to know: why do I see MAG players using bow?? I've seen a current trend of mag sorcs alternate between hard frags and snipe...

These are players with CP levels, not new players. Seriously, it's weird

i asked one of them once - they replied

'lol u noob bow increases your weapon crit......'

but frags scales of spell crit, i replied

shut up love either heal us or get back in the kitchen came the reply.... just before they were kicked from vet trial! (i was tanking btw)

LadyLavina · May 2017

AsNied wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

Your snipe hits hard, but it's not fast enough.

Damage per second - DPS. Hits hard but slow, and hits low but fast = may be same DPS.

nope, not remotely the same. (Assuming the person whose dmg output is being compared to this is remotely competent themselves)

PlagueSD · May 2017

Bow, The only viable ranged spec for stam builds. Properly utilized, you can get 20k+ DPS. You just need to weave in poison injection, snipe, relentless assault, and light attacks. For AOE, use Endless hail and acid spray. Spamming only snipe, or light attacks is just being lazy.

F7sus4 · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i asked one of them once - they replied

'lol u noob bow increases your weapon crit......'

but frags scales of spell crit, i replied

shut up love either heal us or get back in the kitchen came the reply.... just before they were kicked from vet trial! (i was tanking btw)

Pugging vetTrials... Oh gawd...

olsborg · May 2017

Im so glad I dont do pve.

Keep_Door · May 2017

"Play how you want."

Cadbury · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I just want to know: why do I see MAG players using bow?? I've seen a current trend of mag sorcs alternate between hard frags and snipe...

These are players with CP levels, not new players. Seriously, it's weird

i asked one of them once - they replied

'lol u noob bow increases your weapon crit......'

but frags scales of spell crit, i replied

shut up love either heal us or get back in the kitchen came the reply.... just before they were kicked from vet trial! (i was tanking btw)

Hehe the few times I dared to ask I was told "My magic ran out. How else am I supposed to attack?" and "I don't like staffs"

Phinix1 · May 2017

dotme wrote: »

Perhaps some players are just playing a video game to have a little fun and don't actually wish to study for a PhD in ESO builds.

Casuals are what keeps this game from shutting down tomorrow. As much as things like this might irritate those with a more dedicated and scientific attitude, were it not for the masses of people just playing for a good time this game would be on life support or dead already. Yes, it's frustrating but also more of a challenge to complete the dungeon. Variety is the spice of life

That's what normal mode dungeons are for.

Bow can be really good IF you put down the AOE (Volley/Endless Hail/Arrow Barrage) and keep it up, use Acid Spray during trash packs, weave Poison Injection on different mobs as you alternate with light/heavy attack and keep it up on a boss, and can REALLY be good if after dropping that stuff you swap to Dual Wield and use Steel Tornado on trash or Rapid Strikes/light attack alternating on boss, with some other stuff thrown in for kicks.

Keep those things up and your bow build will do fine.

But I don't think I have EVER seen a random group bow user put down a single AOE. Just Snipe Snipe Snipe Snipe, light attack light attack light attack light attack light attack light attack... Maybe I'm unlucky?

Seems really boring TBH, even if I can carry them through the dungeon, which I normally do without even saying anything, unless someone asks for mechanics which no one seems to do even when they don't know what to do.

I have no problem politely explaining things to people, but if they don't ask why should I type a novel just to be called an elitist for "assuming people don't know how to play?" There is as much or more a problem with people being overly sensitive and not wanting to learn as there is with elitists being rude about it.

Ask and you shall receive! BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK!

Phinix1 · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I just want to know: why do I see MAG players using bow?? I've seen a current trend of mag sorcs alternate between hard frags and snipe...

These are players with CP levels, not new players. Seriously, it's weird

i asked one of them once - they replied

'lol u noob bow increases your weapon crit......'

but frags scales of spell crit, i replied

shut up love either heal us or get back in the kitchen came the reply.... just before they were kicked from vet trial! (i was tanking btw)

So. Much. Quality!

If someone said something that pig headed to one of my guildies in WoW, we would have the hunter MD the boss at them and kick them AFTER they were killed.

phileunderx2 · May 2017

I gave my sorc a bow for shooting squirrels and rabbits.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I heard from stats I just pulled out of my ear that most people never even set foot into trials vet hm, let alone complete. So how is bow different from the 98.75% of dw builds that will be "decent"?

Far more valid discussion would be Stamina in Trials but that would require to take a bit wider perspective.

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

01.75% = amount of players that will do a decent DPS bow build (good enough for dungeons and nowhere above)

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that stamina underperforming because of magicka's sheer utility. What is unfair is saying bow is useless in HM trials, but neglecting to say "so are dw, 2h, and 1h&s dps."

Because that's where we are

olsborg · May 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I heard from stats I just pulled out of my ear that most people never even set foot into trials vet hm, let alone complete. So how is bow different from the 98.75% of dw builds that will be "decent"?

Far more valid discussion would be Stamina in Trials but that would require to take a bit wider perspective.

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

01.75% = amount of players that will do a decent DPS bow build (good enough for dungeons and nowhere above)

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that stamina underperforming because of magicka's sheer utility. What is unfair is saying bow is useless in HM trials, but neglecting to say "so are dw, 2h, and 1h&s dps."

Because that's where we are

Word.

idk · May 2017

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Snipe isn't the problem...weaving just that and medium attacks puts you over 10k.

you can easily do over 20k with just a bow build. (theres one on tamriel foundry that hit 40k)

The problem is when people just come in and light attack everything with a bow and end up doing sub 5k dps.

This. It is not the bow, it is how players use it.

Gabrielzavadski · May 2017

mr1sho wrote: »

I don't understand some of these players in this game, If you going queue up as a dps please for the love God don't come in there using SNIPE lol

TLDR: I really don't care!

I do dps with bow, never got a problem, my "DPS", my build, my group... I always finish dungeons without problems and quickly enough... the diference between a bow dps and anything else, would be some seconds that took more to finish the damn dungeon.

If you really "found" a problem, really, then 1: the guy was one of those guys that don't have skills sloted, and keep using basic atacks. 2: you don't know what dps is or how it works.

DPS can change with numerous factors like: how much quickly he pressed the buttons, or how much he dodged to survive, his gear color, his sloted skills and the buffs, etc... If you think a bow is bad, then you are a bad player (don't want to offend, but any build is good, if 1: it follows logic, like a magicka build using medium armor [no logic], and 2: the player must know when to block, dodge, potions, skills rotation, dungeon mechanics, etc...). Bro, even hybrid can be competitive, just do some calcs.

Also... I will pug with whatever build I want, ZOS said I could play how I wanted... of course I will follow some logic in the builds, making it effective, viable and competitive... but really, I will PUG with BOW whenever I damn want it.

Sorry for the english!

Phinix1 · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Snipe isn't the problem...weaving just that and medium attacks puts you over 10k.

you can easily do over 20k with just a bow build. (theres one on tamriel foundry that hit 40k)

The problem is when people just come in and light attack everything with a bow and end up doing sub 5k dps.

This. It is not the bow, it is how players use it.

Sounds like one of those 90's gun safety commercials:

"Bows don't derp dungeons, potatoes derp dungeons."

DocFrost72 · May 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Snipe isn't the problem...weaving just that and medium attacks puts you over 10k.

you can easily do over 20k with just a bow build. (theres one on tamriel foundry that hit 40k)

The problem is when people just come in and light attack everything with a bow and end up doing sub 5k dps.

This. It is not the bow, it is how players use it.

Sounds like one of those 90's gun safety commercials:

"Bows don't derp dungeons, potatoes derp dungeons."

Except in this case potatoes are specifically made to derp.

bebynnag · May 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i asked one of them once - they replied

'lol u noob bow increases your weapon crit......'

but frags scales of spell crit, i replied

shut up love either heal us or get back in the kitchen came the reply.... just before they were kicked from vet trial! (i was tanking btw)

Pugging vetTrials... Oh gawd...

not pugging - 8 experienced players helping 4 new players get their VO/IA gear!

Soleya · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You lucky dog they weren't spamming light attack?

Actually be glad it wasn't your healer spamming light attacks with a bow. Yes that did happen to my friends and I once.

Really the only problem with bow dps is to be effective you need to be far away...typically far away from the healer which makes healing rough.

Nyladreas · May 2017

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

dotme wrote: »

Perhaps some players are just playing a video game to have a little fun and don't actually wish to study for a PhD in ESO builds.

Casuals are what keeps this game from shutting down tomorrow. As much as things like this might irritate those with a more dedicated and scientific attitude, were it not for the masses of people just playing for a good time this game would be on life support or dead already. Yes, it's frustrating but also more of a challenge to complete the dungeon. Variety is the spice of life

I agree... actually I love these players. I usually tank and yes it takes forever to kill the easiest boss but when we kill it, they are so happy, makes me remember why one plays games.

In the other hand I will never understand those players that rush through the dungeon, pulling and skipping everything ahead of the tank. Why the hell do they play? Those are the players that put me off when I queue.

These 2 posts made me soooooooooooooo happy! I'm so happy that there are still people like you. ESO needs more. And all the elitists should begone. They are the ones driving most of the players crazy and making them quit.

Zardayne wrote: »

This right here is why I never do dungeons...I'd love to "play as I want" but way too many number crunching know-it-alls for my taste. There was a time in MMOs where we just played to complete the dungeons and enjoyed it along the way. Now it's rush rush rush, your not doing enough leet DPS, you're not doing the correct rotation for that extra 2k dps. It's ridiculous and that's why I save my grouping for PVP..

Almost forgot about you, buddy. Here have a cookie! (Moonsugar sprinkles!)

@Zardayne @cecibergesnrb18_ESO @dotme

Thank you!

Waffennacht · May 2017

Why do people rush through a simple vet dungeon?

Probably because they've done it 250 times and want this 256th time to be the final one.

You do realize Lich, BSW and sets like rattlecage are all dungeon drops and can take up to 300 runs to get a specific item.

We rush through because we don't even want to be there in the first place!

Avran_Sylt · May 2017

Kinda wish they included bow types. Like having a Light and a Heavy bow variant (Or Shortbow and Longbow). (Think in Oblivion the Light and Heavy Dremora Bow, or The Original Morrowinds Longbow/Shortbow)

Place AoE Attacks like Volley and Arrow Spray, and the current bow ulti on the light bow, and then place heavy single target attacks on the heavy bow (like Snipe, Poison Arrow). have the light bow skill line identify itself as fast, light damage AoE attacks, and the Heavy bow be known for slow, hard hitting, single target damage.

Nyladreas · May 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people rush through a simple vet dungeon?

Probably because they've done it 250 times and want this 256th time to be the final one.

You do realize Lich, BSW and sets like rattlecage are all dungeon drops and can take up to 300 runs to get a specific item.

We rush through because we don't even want to be there in the first place!

So make everyone else suffer and demoralize and kick all the new players who are still just trying to learn.

Noone cares you've done it so many times because you min-max. There are people who just want to relax and actually have fun exploring the content rather than seeing what you people do. You do realize that it only makes people quit and kills the game, right? What will you do with your flawless gear once there's noone to even compete with?

Having min-maxed gear won't grow you a bigger peen irl, nor make you more socially desireable or make everyone go wow... or w/e is the reason you people do this. (yeah i just don't understand)

Good job.

Should never bring pugs and newbies if this is all you want. Stop hurting the community. Thanks.

Ex-Mythic WoW raider.

Juhasow · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

I don't understand some of these players in this game, If you going queue up as a dps please for the love God don't come in there using SNIPE lol

Just to make some people confussed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVHJlmYC68A

This isn't really a factor for the discussion because, as stated in the video, here's the build:

Molag Kena monster helm and shoulders
Twice Fang Snake 5 piece
Alkosh/ VO - 3-piece
Sharpened maelstrom bow
Sharpened Master's bow

When I see the potato bow pugs using this gear in dungeons then you can start defending them. Not to mention anyone who owns a maelstrom sharpened bow knows better than to bring bow/bow to vet dungeons.

Have You ever seen any potato pugs using BiS ?

If they suck they'll suck with any weapon type and wont get huge dmg increase by changing weapons..

That's my point. You can't get a maelstrom weapon if you suck. Therefore, if you own a maelstrom weapon, you don't suck so no matter what weapon type you choose it will still be fine.

That's not my point. My point is if someone not skilled walk to dungoen that really doesnt matter what weapon combo he/she's wearing.

Also there are people that have vMA weapons and still are not as good as You may think (buying vMA runs or playing easy build with huge luck with RNG on 1st run).

Fingolfinn01 · May 2017

Unfortunately the op's post is just a symptom of toxic elitism in here.

Where in game the community is helpful and friendly.

Whyyyyy bow? - because bows are epic

The_Art_of_Paw · May 2017

I remember both the joy of equipping a bow to run round hunting in this game, and the upset of joining the random group finder with a bow to be insulted and kicked from parties.

Best of luck to you all out there brave enough to take a quiver of arrows in to battle, you have my morale support in the background wishing you well!

Nyladreas · May 2017

The_Art_of_Paw wrote: »

I remember both the joy of equipping a bow to run round hunting in this game, and the upset of joining the random group finder with a bow to be insulted and kicked from parties.

Best of luck to you all out there brave enough to take a quiver of arrows in to battle, you have my morale support in the background wishing you well!

Don't get discouraged by ***-ish behaviour of certain "elitist" players.

I like having some incredible numbers myself, but lack the real life issues of these idiotic players who kick everyone who isn't up to par with them. I'd gladly do content with ya, buddy. I'd gladly support you as well.

Curtdogg47 · May 2017

Why are doing PUG groups if you want an optimal group?

Join an elite trial and dungeon guild. Leave the players who just want to experience the content alone.

Phinix1 · May 2017

DoShazarr wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people rush through a simple vet dungeon?

Probably because they've done it 250 times and want this 256th time to be the final one.

You do realize Lich, BSW and sets like rattlecage are all dungeon drops and can take up to 300 runs to get a specific item.

We rush through because we don't even want to be there in the first place!

So make everyone else suffer and demoralize and kick all the new players who are still just trying to learn.

Blame ZOS for being totally stubborn about adding a token system like WoW and other games, so people don't HAVE to grind 300+ runs for a gear set and burnout.

This is directly responsible for much of the hostility and community tension, but "working as intended" i guess.

Also, people trying to learn should not be in VETERAN mode. Those are for once you ALREADY learned in NORMAL mode. Most of these "elitist" players could SOLO 90% of the normal mode dungeons so that isn't even an issue.

It is people that want to skip the learning stage and queue for veteran content without knowing the mechanics, then never ASK the mechanics. Or queue as tank and aren't and don't tank. Or queue as healer and spam vigor.

This road, it goes both ways you see?