How viable has heavy armor remained with sustain changes? [PvP]

Xsorus · April 2017

Well, it might be viable on CP

But it won't be viable in BattleGrounds I don't think....

Or No CP land.

you simply cannot sustain in heavy armor at all and will just die.

Ariades_swe · April 2017

As a magplar using 5 heavy 2 light seducer/spinner dw/resto setup I just switched out a damage glyph to a reduce glyph to be able to have almost same sustain in a no cp campaign as in cp.
Restostaff with heavy passive that gives more resource from heavy attacking coupled with resto ulti, mist form and some positioning makes me very rarely go oom in smallscale.
If I die its generally due to other issues than resource management.
I can see heavy s&b magplars and magdks relying on block casting getting screwed next patch though since resto staff will probably be needed for sustain if you want to be able to do decent kind of damage.
Ive tried out a more damage oriented light armor spec in no cp as well but I find it even more squishy than in cp cause of certain stam proc builds being much stronger in no cp.
I'd reckon this will be a problem in bgs for LA users.

ElliottXO · April 2017

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor user?

Kram8ion · April 2017

See I knew if I hung out in my med armour long enough it would come back into fashion

#doubledenimbaby

Ariades_swe · April 2017

ElliottXO wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor user?

What a bad comparison.
Most heavy users equip a defending 2h as well...
Its almost as stupid as saying:
Did you know that next patch a 5 pc heavy 2 light seducer user will have 2 percent more spell cost reduction than a 5 pc light 2 heavy user?

Lol

SodanTok · April 2017

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor user?

What a bad comparison.
Lol

And not even true thanks to resolve passive from heavy armor skill line.

glavius · April 2017

I think it will still be a viable alternative even on no cp. Just not the best option for all builds except a few like it currently is.

cschwingeb14_ESO · April 2017

Fuxo wrote: »

Heavy armor passive rapid mending increases magicka/stamina restored with heavy attacks by 50%, so be ready for heavy attacking zergs in heavy armor. IMO this passive looks really out of place after recent changes to sustain.

That passive was nerfed in homestead to 25%

ElliottXO · April 2017

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor user?

What a bad comparison.
Most heavy users equip a defending 2h as well...
Its almost as stupid as saying:
Did you know that next patch a 5 pc heavy 2 light seducer user will have 2 percent more spell cost reduction than a 5 pc light 2 heavy user?

Lol

So it's not a heavy armour problem? Do you even read your own posts? They make no sense.

Ariades_swe · April 2017

ElliottXO wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor user?

What a bad comparison.
Most heavy users equip a defending 2h as well...
Its almost as stupid as saying:
Did you know that next patch a 5 pc heavy 2 light seducer user will have 2 percent more spell cost reduction than a 5 pc light 2 heavy user?

Lol

So it's not a heavy armour problem? Do you even read your own posts? They make no sense.

What I'm saying is that you cant compare heavy to medium mitigation if you gonna use 2h defending trait in the equation for just one part.
You need to compare 7 heavy to 7 medium or 7 heavy with 2h defending vs 7 medium with 2h defending.
If you dont understand that I dont know what to say...

Durham · May 2017

rimmidimdim wrote: »

If you can hit with the heavy attack, your sustain is fine. But remember that it takes about two seconds to land a heavy attack. So you get cc'd or immobilized, or a snare gives him time to move away, or a sentient add on like miat's allows opponent to avoid it, you have no DPS or sustain. So it's all going to be skill and knowledge. I guess I like it.

I don't like this clunky style of front end damage combat... people die to quickly .. this will hurt PVP very badly ... new people coming into PVP dying in less then 2 secs is very bad for our PVP game...

ElliottXO · May 2017

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor user?

What a bad comparison.
Most heavy users equip a defending 2h as well...
Its almost as stupid as saying:
Did you know that next patch a 5 pc heavy 2 light seducer user will have 2 percent more spell cost reduction than a 5 pc light 2 heavy user?

Lol

So it's not a heavy armour problem? Do you even read your own posts? They make no sense.

What I'm saying is that you cant compare heavy to medium mitigation if you gonna use 2h defending trait in the equation for just one part.
You need to compare 7 heavy to 7 medium or 7 heavy with 2h defending vs 7 medium with 2h defending.
If you dont understand that I dont know what to say...

So you say to beat the game you need to stack armour? Heavy armour and defending trait give the highest armour, yes.

But I wonder why almost 100% of the DPS, heavy or not, run a sharpened trait.

Ariades_swe · May 2017

ElliottXO wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

It still offer the best physical defense.

Did you know a 7pc medium armor user with a 2H defending trait has more armor than a 7pc heavy armor

Ariades_swe · May 2017

Edited.
Not worth my time.

Durham · May 2017

The bonus to health is the main reason for Heavy atm....The mitigation is not what people think it is....

Dubhliam · May 2017

jo_hanes wrote: »

Okay people before everyone looses objectivity let examine a few things. When this game launched the champion point system did not exist, if you wanted sustain you used sets seducer on the magika side is a good example. the cp system has made us lazy as players. Learn to play smarter not harder. I will state that I am not thrilled with many of the changes especially for stamina builds. With that said those of us that main a stamina based tank will figure out how to balance what we have to work with. whether it be a set that has Regen and a combination of trait pieces and shadow ward. ZOS would do well to say it like it is don't use carefully chosen words to call a nerf a buff. Many classes are being hit hard and the player base is not pleased. But instead of going on a rant and making a video announcing to the world we are no longer supporting this game we shall endeavor to strengthen this community and lets be honest, thing like the before mentioned quitting rant serve no purpose aside from displaying a persons maturity level.

Lastly as we the people, test and write our comments to ZOS remember it is not set in stone until it is. Maybe next time when I post I will share a tale from a place we fondly came to know as Louisiananstan circa 2005 post Katrina.

Have a good one peoples

I congratulate you for having brains and not losing your poop over some changes.

Autolycus · May 2017

Seems fine to me. Spent a good chunk of time this weekend in a full heavy setup.

CavalryPK · May 2017

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

Yes, light armor will be better for magic.

I don't know man... heavy armor felt much better in BG vs light armor, sustain and survival wise.

Publius_Scipio · May 2017

Vosital wrote: »

The only setup that will be able to run heavy armor is Stam Sorc, due to Dark Deal. No other class has the ability to sustain in heavy and will be out of resources in seconds.

They should just revert the Constitution nerf and nerf Dark Deal. Even then, it would still be really hard to run heavy with all of the resource management changes.

Maybe this isn't so bad after all. As a NB I really never liked when the whole heavy armor is king meta began. And I welcome if I can run around Cyrodiil again in medium armor (and not just as some two-bit ganker.)