ParaNostram wrote: »THIS IS IN BETA TESTING AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I think the game still gets a lot of flak from outside because a lot of those people doing it only know the game from the mess it once was. They stopped playing it and that is their lasting memory of it. You see the same happening with others game. Assassin's Creed: Unity being the first one that springs to mind. Whenever people discuss the game, a number of people will state it's a broken mess. It's not, it's been fixed, but doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid as they're giving their opinion on what they played.
If devs want positivity, the onus is on them to make sure they deliver from day 1, not 3 weeks later when people have moved on and will never forget. I buy games to play from day 1, not days or weeks later. If the game is deemed good enough to ask full price for, it should be in a reasonable condition straight from the box so to speak. I'm not a beta tester. Too many devs nowadays rely on people's acceptance that games commonly contain large issues on day one. When did that become acceptable? It's not, yet many of us defend the practice and on some occasion I have done it myself, so I'm not taking the moral high ground here.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
"The wise have always said the same things, and fools, who are the majority have always done just the opposite."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"Ignorance speaks loudly, so as to be heard; but its volume proves reason to doubt every word."dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
"The wise have always said the same things, and fools, who are the majority have always done just the opposite."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
(Wes Fessler)
It's very easy to find a quote or a proverb to back up any argument, it doesn't make it any more true doing so.
truth is matter of perspective.
Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
We probably wouldn't make complaint threads over and over again if the problems in the game were actually addressed instead of new content like Morrowind being a priority.
Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »No it is not a myth
The only people complaining on the forums are those with complaints.
The people with no complaints are usually too busy playing the game ;-)
Alot of the complaints are just from people afraid they'll lose their easymode with the next patch, or people screaming "nerf!!!!" rather than not being lazy and putting in the effort to Learn to Play, the more someone Learns to Play the easier it will be for them to Adapt and Overcome.
But either way all the boohooing needs to stop
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »more people are starting to come forward and speak their minds. (finaly )
Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
We probably wouldn't make complaint threads over and over again if the problems in the game were actually addressed instead of new content like Morrowind being a priority.
Fixed for you.
Why pick on just one thing when ZOS are clearly working on other things as well?
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »This game is unique in that for a lot of people, it is their first MMO. Some really don't know what to expect. What level of quality they should get, what level of developer responsiveness, etc.
If you have played previous MMOs, which MMO you have played also makes a huge difference on how you rate this game.
I have found that those who have come from early WOW, give this game a lot of slack and often say well Wow didn't have that feature (14 years ago) when it started so give eso some more slack.
However, people that come from games like guild wars II, and have seen the PvP and how it functions in that game, are dumbfounded by the zerging and balance issues that persist in this game.
But to answer OP's question, I think their would be a lot more backlash in the forums if players could compare ESO to the way developers behave in other games.
Lets just take one example: Communication
Here is the forum profile page for the lead gameplay designer for starcraft II. 239 Posts on the forums. Interaction with the community. In depth technical analysis on gameplay changes.
Now take a look at this Profile. Notice a difference?
It is my theory that ESO only exists the way it does because it is difficult to compare to other games and beyond that, harder to compare to the quality you get from other things you spend money on.
- Would you go to a movie theater where the movie slowed down to 10FPS half way through during action scenes?
- Would you continue to subscribe to a magazine that promised you 12 issues per year, but then only delivered 10 issues and for the last two months produces a double sized "booklet" instead of a magazine with a flashy holographic cover and charged an extra $40 for it?
If you see ESO in a vacuum, it is hard to complain much because the game sets it own standard, as soon as you see ESO as a product on a market competing for your money alongside other comparable products, you start to get more "Vocal Minorities" pointing out the emperor has no clothes.
It's no myth the same handful of constant complainers who use alt accounts from time to time to make it seem like more than there actually is...anyone who spends any time on the forums starts to see the pattern, even the reps acknowledge it at PAX
KochDerDamonen wrote: »Few people visit the forums, only a portion of forum-goers are complaining.
Sustain nerfs are good
Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
We probably wouldn't make complaint threads over and over again if the problems in the game were actually addressed instead of new content like Morrowind being a priority.
Fixed for you.
Why pick on just one thing when ZOS are clearly working on other things as well?
Because people like me are on the PTS reporting problems with Morrowind and *none* of them will be addressed, and the DLC will be released nearly unplayable, like the entire history of this game.
They keep pushing new stuff instead of fixing old stuff.
Fingolfinn01 wrote: »There are many complaint threads.
Is it true they only represent a small percentage of the player base?
Vipstaakki wrote: »Indeed they do. If you ever start observing who the people that *** and moan are. You will notice that it is usually the same small minority over and over again.
We probably wouldn't make complaint threads over and over again if the problems in the game were actually addressed instead of new content like Morrowind being a priority.
Fixed for you.
Why pick on just one thing when ZOS are clearly working on other things as well?
Because people like me are on the PTS reporting problems with Morrowind and *none* of them will be addressed, and the DLC will be released nearly unplayable, like the entire history of this game.
They keep pushing new stuff instead of fixing old stuff.
I can appreciate that different people have different outlooks depending on their play style, so I assume you either PvP and/or do competitive PvE i.e. trials etc. I personally do neither, have played since PC launch and haven't experienced any significant issues of any type - a couple of broken quests, one fixed by me the other by ZOS the patch after I experienced the problem, and nothing performance-related at all. So for me and plenty of others no doubt the entire history of this game is not mired in near unplayability. I'm sorry your experience has been less satisfactory.