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Should CP be removed from PvP?
jlboozer
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Wondering what the community thinks about removing CP from all PvP modes? I feel this would stop everyone from being so OP in PvP and allow us to still have fun in PvE. I feel this would help stop all the nerfs to our characters....What do you guys think?
Edited by jlboozer on April 28, 2017 11:54AM Should CP be removed from PvP? 161 votes
Remove CP from PvP
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Keep CP in PvP
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Remove CP from PvPIt seems to have helped the lag in Cyrodil to a point.
That being said the nerfs in PvE still need to happen. Seeing videos of people soloing Trial bosses is just stupid. Yes it's fun to watch, and bragging points if you can do it, but it just shouldn't be possible.0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Keep CP in PvPYou have the right to choose - a CP or a no-CP campaign. You are not forced to play with CPs if you don't want to. Why to remove them and taking all the fun for players who actually like CPs in PvP?
That's why I think it would be good to make also a CP version of BGs.
It's good to satisfy everyone, people who like CPs in PvP and people who don't. Simple, keep both modes so players can choose to their liking.Edited by Olupajmibanan on April 28, 2017 12:00PM12 -
jlboozer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remove CP from PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »You have the right to choose - a CP or a no-CP campaign. You are not forced to play with CPs if you don't want to.
That's why I think it would be good to make also a CP version of BGs.
It's good to satisfy everyone, people who like CPs in PvP and people who don't. Simple, keep both modes so players can choose to their liking.
It's more about PvP getting PvE nerfed imo. They should at least balance PvP separate from PvE.2 -
playsforfun✭✭✭✭Remove CP from PvPremove it, it causes lag and a power gap which is not needed in pvp5 -
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✭Keep CP in PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »You have the right to choose - a CP or a no-CP campaign. You are not forced to play with CPs if you don't want to.
I agree with ^^ however removing CP did help with the balance of the game, I noticed when playing players had a better chance at being able to take others down, and there were no players who could constantly keep going which I think helped...however tanks had a massive bash (haha) because they could not hold against damage as well, and it felt kind of useless to play as a tank.
On the other hand people have earned their CP and leveled up, they have the right to use it and be better than players who are not as high level, I am not saying that a 200 champ point player could not take down a 400 because it could happen and I have seen it happen. This is coming from a player who is 475 ish in champ points.
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@DMuehlhausenDMuehlhausen wrote: »It seems to have helped the lag in Cyrodil to a point.
Where did you get this? It's not even close to a point like you've mentioned.The Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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✭✭Keep CP in PvPplaysforfun wrote: »remove it, it causes lag and a power gap which is not needed in pvp
Lag and power gaps appear even in Azura. Are the CPs the problem then?2 -
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✭✭✭✭Remove CP from PvPYou already have the option to play in Azura's Star. I'm honestly surprised that the CP campaigns are more popular - noCP PvP is way better IMO.2 -
playsforfun✭✭✭✭Remove CP from PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »remove it, it causes lag and a power gap which is not needed in pvp
Lag and power gaps appear even in Azura. Are the CPs the problem then?
i don't think that is a power gap that is called a player skill gap as there is no difference in cp, nice try though
Edited by playsforfun on April 28, 2017 12:11PM4 -
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✭✭✭Keep CP in PvPWhy does nobody understand. PvP is not 1v1. If someone kills you, or you find someone that is not killable then call on your alliance to help.
Seriously, if you don't like CP then go to a Non CP campaign. If you are going to cry because you can't kill someone then go to Non CP campaign and If you are going to cry every time you die, then quit PvP.
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Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Keep CP in PvPplaysforfun wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »remove it, it causes lag and a power gap which is not needed in pvp
Lag and power gaps appear even in Azura. Are the CPs the problem then?
i don't think that is a power gap that is called a player skill gap as there is no difference in cp, nice try though
I was refering to power gap created by Proc sets.0 -
playsforfun✭✭✭✭Remove CP from PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »remove it, it causes lag and a power gap which is not needed in pvp
Lag and power gaps appear even in Azura. Are the CPs the problem then?
i don't think that is a power gap that is called a player skill gap as there is no difference in cp, nice try though
I was refering to power gap created by Proc sets.
but everyone can wear those proc sets if the choose to in azura so there is no power gap, also i hate proc sets so i'm in your corner on that one haha4 -
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✭Remove CP from PvPEither remove cp from pvp or make pvp and pve two cifferent things. Balancing pvp affects pve, and the other way around and it's just not working out5 -
DerpyShadowz✭✭✭✭Keep CP in PvPRemoving CP entirely would make a large majority of the choices in the trees pointless if purely for PvE.
Edited by DerpyShadowz on April 28, 2017 12:22PMLurking in the shadows.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Remove CP from PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »You have the right to choose - a CP or a no-CP campaign. You are not forced to play with CPs if you don't want to.
That's why I think it would be good to make also a CP version of BGs.
It's good to satisfy everyone, people who like CPs in PvP and people who don't. Simple, keep both modes so players can choose to their liking.
It's more about PvP getting PvE nerfed imo. They should at least balance PvP separate from PvE.
It's getting non-cp PVP nerfed as well, otherwise; I would be all for choice4 -
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✭Some of the most cancerous builds in the game are non cp based. Eg) ogrum scales build is unkillable in non cp.Edited by Buffler on April 28, 2017 12:27PM0 -
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✭Keep CP in PvPHalf the sets would be useless, theyd arent gonna adjust them for pvp.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Keep CP in PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »You have the right to choose - a CP or a no-CP campaign. You are not forced to play with CPs if you don't want to.
That's why I think it would be good to make also a CP version of BGs.
It's good to satisfy everyone, people who like CPs in PvP and people who don't. Simple, keep both modes so players can choose to their liking.
It's more about PvP getting PvE nerfed imo. They should at least balance PvP separate from PvE.
Very likely to happen with the majority of the playerbase in pve.
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✭Remove CP from PvPOlupajmibanan wrote: »You have the right to choose - a CP or a no-CP campaign. You are not forced to play with CPs if you don't want to.
That's why I think it would be good to make also a CP version of BGs.
It's good to satisfy everyone, people who like CPs in PvP and people who don't. Simple, keep both modes so players can choose to their liking.
It's more about PvP getting PvE nerfed imo. They should at least balance PvP separate from PvE.
Very likely to happen with the majority of the playerbase in pve.
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The majority of the player base should be considered imo...even CoD has separate balance for PvP. There's already too many people now that can't complete veteran content, after Morrowind patch they will have zero hope of completing things such as VmA. It's bad for the game to have to balance PvE around PvP, it just frustrates the majority of the player base that mostly play PvE. This is Elder Scrolls, not Halo!2 -
darkstar2084✭✭✭✭Remove CP from PvPYes, it should be removed from PVP. The performance increase during the tests was very noticeable and if it stops PVE getting constant nerfs trying to balance pvp,then it is only fair. Plus it will help new people who want to start the game and jump into PVP not go through the rigmarole of getting max CP when they want to PVP instead.Edited by darkstar2084 on April 28, 2017 2:19PM3 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭Keep CP in PvPI say keep it only because there is a campaign that doesn't have it on console and no one plays it0
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✭Keep CP in PvPI voted for "Keep CP in PVP" but i believe my choice requires further explanation.
CP are given to player so they can be used. Its only way of character progression after reaching CP160 and disabling it is a lika a step back two years to past.
What should be done is complete strong separation of all PVP aspects from PVE which in result will allow developers to balance all skills and passives and abilities separately to PVP and PVE part of game
This way all the changes done for sake of PVP wont affect PVE at all and other way around, issues caused by PVE nature of game wont backfire at PVP playerbase.
This is part of my post that explains my reasoning behind this request:MaximusDargus wrote: »Forcefully trying to balance PVE and PVP at the same time is like death of ESO being pronounced - not today, not tommorow, but somewhere in not so distant future.
What im refering to?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »(...) Lastly, we know there’s some apprehension that we’re balancing PvE and PvP gameplay simultaneously without separating the two. We are 100% committed to supporting a single unified game where mechanics and abilities work consistently, with the goal being for players to learn how play efficiently and be able to transfer those skills to other environments. This is one of the reasons we added CC immunities to monsters; when ESO originally launched, you could knock the same mudcrab down over and over. The balance changes we made in this update are aimed at making gameplay more interesting in all areas of the game. (...)
These two enviroments, PVE and PVP are diametrally different. In one we fight players with 20-30k HP dealing 5k-20k damage while in other we fight targets with 100 to milions of HP that deal up to 100k of damage.
Trying to balance it with changes affecting both at the same time is like trying to stabilise and Inverted Pendulum where on one end there is PVP balance and on another PVE balance and in the unachievable middle we have mythical "global balance".
How long it's been that developers were trying to achieve the PVE+PVP balance? One year, two years and counting - in meantime we've seen things nerfed and buffed back and forth from one patch to another - pretty much time wasted on running circles.
(an example of such change is how in Dark Brotherhood constitution passive was buffed to compensate PVE tanks for loss of bracing passive yet in Morrowind patch notes that change is basically being reverted because of complaints from PVP playerbase).
If that time, these months and years would have been spent by developers on overhauling PVP system in a way where it could be balanced 100% separately from PVE environment, we would be enjoying already (or very soon) a much better balance in completely separated fields of PVP and PVE where one system wont be hurting other players:
- no more PVP players complaining that power creep in PVE is runing their builds and abilities and other way around, no PVE players complaining that PVP complaints are inducing nerfs in abilities behaving perfectly fine in PVE
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✭Keep CP in PvPThere is already a CP-less campaign and no one plays it. What is it with people complaining about wanting things that already exist?0 -
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✭Remove CP from PvPWalksonGraves wrote: »There is already a CP-less campaign and no one plays it. What is it with people complaining about wanting things that already exist?
It's more about the fact PvP balance effects PvE fun.1 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭Keep CP in PvPNext patch CP will be so front loaded and diminishing returns will be so much greater that newer players will be on more equal footing in the 200-300 CP range.0
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✭Remove CP from PvPLord_Dexter wrote: »Go play Azura star,
Senseless poll
Not senseless, I could'nt care less about what happens in PvP. But I do care that all these "balances" to make PvP more fair are directly effecting my PvE fun. 90% of the Morrowind nerfs are because of PvP balance. So now I'm not going to be as effective in VmA because you want to go "pawn some noobs" in PvP. And likewise PvE balance should also not effect PvP. 2 totally different things....Edited by jlboozer on April 28, 2017 2:45PM1
