Anyone else underwelmed by Warden?

Vosital · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I get the feeling blue Betty won't restore magicka if you spam it for the cleanse.

It barely returns any magika anyway lol

Ultimate_Overlord · April 2017

Betty is such a terrible skill. Only almost 300 magicka regen for a free skill that gives you your dmg buff, procs necro and has a purge.
Can ppl on forums plz specify which type of content theyre talking about? Seems like some pveers forget about pvp at all and vice versa. While warden may not be the best pve class, theres no doubt wardens will be incredibly strong in pvp, so plz keep that in mind before asking for buffs.

Vosital · April 2017

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

Betty is such a terrible skill. Only almost 300 magicka regen for a free skill that gives you your dmg buff, procs necro and has a purge.
Can ppl on forums plz specify which type of content theyre talking about? Seems like some pveers forget about pvp at all and vice versa. While warden may not be the best pve class, theres no doubt wardens will be incredibly strong in pvp, so plz keep that in mind before asking for buffs.

People like to line up all the buffs that the Warden techniquely has, but people need to look at the practicality of running 5 20 second buffs and 1 10 second buff all at the same time. Yes, technically, it is doable. But at a certain point you spend 70% of the time self buffing and very little time actually fighting. Then if the fight goes on longer then a few seconds you need to gtfo and recast them.

That's also not taking into consideration that half your avaliable skills and a ton of resources are going into these buffs. Wardens redefine what it means to have a "buff bar".

I really hope more people consider this.

Blackfyre20 · April 2017

This is it, this is the source right here. ZOS read "templars are better healers and DKs are better tanks" and now here we are.

Vosital · April 2017

Blackfyre20 wrote: »

This is it, this is the source right here. ZOS read "templars are better healers and DKs are better tanks" and now here we are.

Funny how they skipped over the Sorc part

Blackfyre20 · April 2017

Vosital wrote: »

Blackfyre20 wrote: »

This is it, this is the source right here. ZOS read "templars are better healers and DKs are better tanks" and now here we are.

Funny how they skipped over the Sorc part

truu

Dixa · April 2017

CaptainPocky wrote: »

Forgetting tanking and DPS for a second, Wardens certainly won't be bad healers.

They will realistically be the only class with Major Mending now (excluding the useless Resto heavy attack proc), and they give a 10% max health buff that is unattainable by any other method. Worried though that they can't throw shards for stam? Worry not! They changed necro orb to give the exact same returns and even share the cooldown of shards.

The only thing Temps will still have over them is Breath, but honestly a good healer would generally be fine without that & just Healing Springs anyway, let alone possibly replacing it with either the Warden's mushroom or "Tarzan" heal.

Warden healers, as they stand, need to be toned down compared to the huge nerfs Templars (& even the poor, rare DKs healers) got. This is coming from someone who has done every fight but HM Rakkat on every role.

templars will continue to be the kings of cleansing

Dixa · April 2017

Vosital wrote: »

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

Betty is such a terrible skill. Only almost 300 magicka regen for a free skill that gives you your dmg buff, procs necro and has a purge.
Can ppl on forums plz specify which type of content theyre talking about? Seems like some pveers forget about pvp at all and vice versa. While warden may not be the best pve class, theres no doubt wardens will be incredibly strong in pvp, so plz keep that in mind before asking for buffs.

People like to line up all the buffs that the Warden techniquely has, but people need to look at the practicality of running 5 20 second buffs and 1 10 second buff all at the same time. Yes, technically, it is doable. But at a certain point you spend 70% of the time self buffing and very little time actually fighting. Then if the fight goes on longer then a few seconds you need to gtfo and recast them.

That's also not taking into consideration that half your avaliable skills and a ton of resources are going into these buffs. Wardens redefine what it means to have a "buff bar".

I really hope more people consider this.

yeah.

trying to keep up that many short term buffs is not practical.

just because the warden has access to ALL of the buffs does not mean it's possible to keep them all up 100% of the time while actually contributing to your group.

Kram8ion · April 2017

Totally and it's months away

esp1992 · April 2017

Don't care what anyone says... Still Hyped with Warden.

MickeyBN · April 2017

Although being defined as a support class I was looking forward to seeing what damage options there were. After seeing all the skills I gotta say I'm very underwhelmed. The dps skills that exist (especially for stam) look very boring.

Kinda glad though, realllly couldn't be bothered levelling another character.

Nidro · April 2017

Warden will be the best Off Tank i think. but will no have many other uses.
maybe 1 warden healer in Trial. but thats it.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · April 2017

What I don't see is how Magicka Wardens are going to function without being off-healers. They simply DO NOT have enough spells to fill up two bars worth. Even with both mages guild+destro staff spells (some of which are redundant) there's still not enough. The thing Sorc had going for them was that they had 3 trees worth of things to fill their bars with, not including the other magicka tailored skill lines. For a DPS magicka warden, you have one line and the other two are no good. Like, not one of the winters embrace spells, has anything that a PvE magicka warden would want (now PvP is another story).

And it's a shame because all three lines have so much more potential for both Stamina and Magicka DPS'ers.

s7732425ub17_ESO · April 2017

Warden seems somewhat balanced. Do you want a super-overpowered new class instead?

I'm picturing Warden DPS characters who pull as much DPS as other classes but also provide really nice buffs such as max HP, major armor and spell resist, damage reduction, and an alternative to chains. This utility is going to be necessary with the big nerf to damage reduction CP and mechanics of the new Trial.

Megabear · April 2017

Pretty sure no one will talk about Wardens few months after the release. If history is any indication, it will be nerfed after the initial hype and settle in as a niche that can do everything, but so so in everything.

Rohaus · April 2017

I think if the stamina morphs could be tweaked just a bit... some form of CC... it'd be great!