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The *** Invades Belkarth? Or just a Guild Initiation?
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Majic✭✭✭✭✭Based on the specious and highly unreliable testimony presented so far, I can conclude with great confidence that somebody, whether ZOS or some players, did something bad.
Who, exactly, remains an open question, but I've never let that shake my convictions before, and I'm not about to let it now.Epopt Of The Everspinning Logo, Church Of The Eternal Loading Screen
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Based on the specious and highly unreliable testimony presented so far, I can conclude with great confidence that somebody, whether ZOS or some players, did something bad.
Who, exactly, remains an open question, but I've never let that shake my convictions before, and I'm not about to let it now.
Whatcha mean? The OP showed a video of the whole incident. What's not in the video is the side of people that want them unbanned because it's ridiculous and the side of people that hate them in-game and are ecstatic that this happened.
It's not too complicated a situation tbh. We know what happened as well as the details and that ZOS responded immediately with permabans. gg PS4 NA endgame PvE community2 -
Majic✭✭✭✭✭Based on the specious and highly unreliable testimony presented so far, I can conclude with great confidence that somebody, whether ZOS or some players, did something bad.
Who, exactly, remains an open question, but I've never let that shake my convictions before, and I'm not about to let it now.
Whatcha mean? The OP showed a video of the whole incident. What's not in the video is the side of people that want them unbanned because it's ridiculous and the side of people that hate them in-game and are ecstatic that this happened.
It's not too complicated a situation tbh. We know what happened as well as the details and that ZOS responded immediately with permabans. gg PS4 NA endgame PvE community
Truly, irony is not dead.
#LongLiveIronyEpopt Of The Everspinning Logo, Church Of The Eternal Loading Screen
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm sorry, we're supposed to believe these were permanent bans when players using cheat engine in Cyrodiil only got 3 days. When automated accounts receive no penalty for months at a time. But, you torch one Argonian, and everyone looses their mind?7 -
CastaLyron✭✭They got a ban for that?
Sure some people would draw a connection to racism, but it could also be harmless role play stuff. I think this is overkill, it's a game and every character is in principle a mass murderer of whatever races exist in the game, and that's not interpreted as racism. I guess they just got a lot of reports from haters, but a ban shouldn't be done on a vote by other players, only if you actually broke the terms of use.7 -
fla-wrestlrSoul ShrivenDefinitely sounds like some haters are sending reports to ZOS, because look if you know these people then you know that the group shown consist of a mix of races. So to claim racism or whatever their reasoning behind a permaban should definitely be reviewed. Secondly I've played quite a bit with a couple of these people and they aren't bad or racist. If anything a lot of these guys have helped keep attention in the game and helpful by posting build videos, helping progression groups etc. (I'm not saying all of them are good people, some have drama surrounding them and I'm aware.. I'm just saying all 12 aren't bad people)7 -
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✭✭Have to walk on eggshells in this game, loads of people ready to report you for -anything- and Support staff won't help you once it's done, as they make their minds up and not in your favour.6 -
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✭✭Permabans really? For this?
People these days get offended even for not being offended.8 -
OGNZ3✭✭✭Do not ban em for that stuff.
PvE doesnt need that.Xbox One - EU
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✭✭✭✭✭It's disturbing how something as extreme as racism has you all saying that the punishment handed out is too extreme and severe. It's disgusting actually. All because they're end-game players, and maybe have cyber fame? Gross. Absolutely atrocious. You guys don't know that a lot of the players banned trolled lower-level players in some mean and horrible ways. You guys don't know that some of those players have a reputation for being exploiters and really rude and elitist people. You guys don't know that some of them literally find entertainment by going out of their way to make other people's lives hell. N'ah. Y'all don't know that, or you don't care to know. Pathetic.23 -
Massive_Stain✭✭✭✭Lol some of them are in a guild I run with, and I talked to one of them yesterday during a VAA hm raid. They guy said that he wasn't permabanned but did recieve a three day.PC: CP 1200+ DroDest, Bringer of light
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✭✭✭✭✭Massive_Stain wrote: »Lol some of them are in a guild I run with, and I talked to one of them yesterday during a VAA hm raid. They guy said that he wasn't permabanned but did recieve a three day.
Out of curiosity... How could you talk to someone who's currently banned, and be doing a trial with them? Unless of course they're account sharing with someone, which is yet another serious offense. And no need to try and clean that up, as some of those banned are known folks in the PS4-NA community sell VMA and VMoL runs.1 -
Dragonking06✭✭✭I know I shouldn't but....
Did they seriously get Perma'd for this? And is the console PvE community really that small...? Damn.PC - NA ServerNora Wolf-bane - Nord - Knight of Alkosh, Tank"We both looked into the Abyss. But when it looked back... You blinked."3 -
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✭If you were friends with those players, that permban might not be so permanent. I ran into a well known cheater that has returned from his permaban. (PCNA)
@ZOS_GinaBruno, why are they coming back?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Dragonking06 wrote: »I know I shouldn't but....
Did they seriously get Perma'd for this? And is the console PvE community really that small...? Damn.
I say good riddance to them. And no, the console PvE community is not that small. It's too many heads who're popping up with interest in tackling end-game content, and show a genuine commitment in being a great player. What it is, is a bunch of elitist and jerks got caught and jammed up (finally), and just so happen to be end-game players who are seen regularly at the top. And those who are friends with them are flocking to the thread to try and brush off what happened, and make it seem like what they did wasn't that serious.9 -
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✭Zos ban players without evidence just because another player told them tooEdited by bloodthirstyvampire on April 25, 2017 9:08AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonking06 wrote: »I know I shouldn't but....
Did they seriously get Perma'd for this? And is the console PvE community really that small...? Damn.
Yep. What's most troubling about this is that the specific players banned (nevermind bystanders or random guildies uninvolved who were also banned) are the current top of every leaderboard.
They also help progression groups in vMoL daily, serve as subs to fill spots in other groups, support the game with Youtube vids/builds/etc and more. They are 12 of the biggest named ppl on PS4 NA. It will hurt the small endgame PvE community quite a lot should they quit altogether. The community is already tiny.
It's shocking that ZOS gave out permabans to all those in group as well as many uninvolved. Temp ban? Maybe. But permaban is crazy imo.Edited by Vaoh on April 25, 2017 9:14AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So that's what my guildies were talking about...
Can't say I'm surprised tbh."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Dragonking06✭✭✭Lol, Rekt.
Probably won't be long before mods or someone from ZoS locks this thread for discussing player bans on the forums.PC - NA ServerNora Wolf-bane - Nord - Knight of Alkosh, Tank"We both looked into the Abyss. But when it looked back... You blinked."4 -
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✭These assclowns deserved their Ban's
They are all well-known exploiters in end game content. As well as being extremely disliked for their attitudes towards all other players that are not within their "circle".
No they are not all the "best" players, but they are certainly some of the most well known and seen in leaderboards..But who gives a crap? Being a skilled player doesn't excuse you from behaving like this, nor should anyone condone it.
It was VERY clear what they were doing, and there is zero chance they didn't know beforehand what they were doing.It baffles me how anyone could possibly try and defend it, it is sickening.
Sure the game has references to this kind of stuff but player characters roleplaying REAL racism and publicly, is overstepping.
TLdR- Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Enjoy the perma bans assclowns.Edited by Nelson_Rebel on April 25, 2017 9:29AM13 -
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✭✭Before this gets locked can someone please explain what the issue is as can't see much on the video as on my phone - and would like to know before making any judgements!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonking06 wrote: »Lol, Rekt.
Probably won't be long before mods or someone from ZoS locks this thread for discussing player bans on the forums.
That's how I feel. Lol. They got Pharah and Zarya combo'd by ZOS, and have their friends hopping in this thread to try and put sympathy in the playerbase to get them unbanned.
This thread should be locked, and all those who follow in the banned people's footsteps should be obliterated with no hesitation from ZOS. I'm talking completely annihilated. I may not be too happy with the approaching changes regarding Morrowind, but boy am I happy about this great news delivered. Cheers to you, ZOS. Y'all the real MVP.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 25, 2017 9:32AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »These assclowns deserved their Ban's
They are all well-known exploiters in end game content. As well as being extremely disliked for their attitudes towards all other players that are not within their "circle".
No they are not all the "best" players, but they are certainly some of the most well known and seen in leaderboards..But who gives a crap? Being a skilled player doesn't excuse you from behaving like this, nor should anyone condone it.
It was VERY clear what they were doing, and there is zero chance they didn't know beforehand what they were doing.It baffles me how anyone could possibly try and defend it, it is sickening.
Sure the game has references to this kind of stuff but player characters roleplaying REAL racism and publicly, is overstepping.
TLdR- Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Enjoy the perma bans assclowns.
@Nelson_Rebel That's what I'm saying! Omg. You read my mind. A lot of people from the outside looking in don't really know how the people banned are in-game. They don't know just how horrible of these folks are. And also, we definitely need to duel again 1 day. I'm thinking sometime this week perhaps, if you're available and we cross paths. DK versus DK again. xD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonking06 wrote: »Lol, Rekt.
Probably won't be long before mods or someone from ZoS locks this thread for discussing player bans on the forums.
That's how I feel. Lol. They got Pharah and Zarya combo'd by ZOS, and have their friends hopping in this thread to try and put sympathy in the playerbase to get them unbanned.
This thread should be locked, and all those who follow in the banned people's footsteps should be obliterated with no hesitation from ZOS. I'm talking completely annihilated. I may not be too happy with the approaching changes regarding Morrowind, but boy am I happy about this great news delivered. Cheers to you, ZOS. Y'all the real MVP.
It's an ugly mess. It stuff like this that causes me to avoid Craglorn as a whole.
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonking06 wrote: »Lol, Rekt.
Probably won't be long before mods or someone from ZoS locks this thread for discussing player bans on the forums.
That's how I feel. Lol. They got Pharah and Zarya combo'd by ZOS, and have their friends hopping in this thread to try and put sympathy in the playerbase to get them unbanned.
This thread should be locked, and all those who follow in the banned people's footsteps should be obliterated with no hesitation from ZOS. I'm talking completely annihilated. I may not be too happy with the approaching changes regarding Morrowind, but boy am I happy about this great news delivered. Cheers to you, ZOS. Y'all the real MVP.
It's an ugly mess. It stuff like this that causes me to avoid Craglorn as a whole.
Which is sad. It makes me sad to see people avoid entire zones, or avoid chats due to how toxic and horrible it can be. Things like that should never exist, and players should be at ease going wherever they do choose.
Meanwhile, people are defending this type of horrible behavior. They're out here defending these type of mentally sick people, and calling them friends. People voicing opinions about how the punishment is too severe, and how such actions were rather funny. Excuse me? Seriously? And 1 of the defenders calling themselves a good guy. Really? You defend that type of behavior, but also view yourself as a good person? For real, b? Deadass?
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Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭Way too much skirting the issue going on. Perhaps because I'm on the older side and different generation than many younger players but back in my day, this would be called precisely what it is - tasteless.
Maybe racist, maybe not. Probably a joke? Doesn't matter. In prior generations the 'oh don't mind what we're doing because it's just a "parody" bit only protected you from legal repercussions, not social stigma for demonstrating such poor taste.
Short of reading minds, we'll never know if anyone in that little demo is truly racist. But let's say they are 100% not. Who cares? It is staggeringly obvious exactly what historical group and what historically tragic act those knuckleheads were re-creating.
ZOS did precisely the right thing from a moral as well as selfish point of view. Morally, permaban these punks who have such poor taste - because that is entirely their right to do so. Selfishly, only the most idiotic corporation (e.g United) leaves themselves open to massive bad press when simple acts like this is all that is needed to nip that in the bud.20 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Way too much skirting the issue going on. Perhaps because I'm on the older side and different generation than many younger players but back in my day, this would be called precisely what it is - tasteless.
Maybe racist, maybe not. Probably a joke? Doesn't matter. In prior generations the 'oh don't mind what we're doing because it's just a "parody" bit only protected you from legal repercussions, not social stigma for demonstrating such poor taste.
Short of reading minds, we'll never know if anyone in that little demo is truly racist. But let's say they are 100% not. Who cares? It is staggeringly obvious exactly what historical group and what historically tragic act those knuckleheads were re-creating.
ZOS did precisely the right thing from a moral as well as selfish point of view. Morally, permaban these punks who have such poor taste - because that is entirely their right to do so. Selfishly, only the most idiotic corporation (e.g United) leaves themselves open to massive bad press when simple acts like this is all that is needed to nip that in the bud.
@Jacozilla I'd give you a million agrees if I could. Preach!5
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