Natch Potes?

MissBizz · April 2017

...isn't the server supposed to go down in like just a few minutes? But NA PC is still in maintenance mode... I wonder if we will need to wait longer.

Durham · April 2017

Stam DK in PVP there is no work around... your just straight up better off to drop the class... 9 total nerfs to the meta.... I would say you are 50% to 75% weaker...

DerpyShadowz · April 2017

Faulgor wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

From our experience, the first 1 or 2 pts patches don't really take feedback into account. They're usually already done before that.

Yeah, but Gina already promised some "tweaks". So we'll see.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We always welcome feedback, and everyone is reading even if you don't see a public reply. We do have some tweaks coming to next week's PTS incremental, but please don't expect to see a complete 180 on some of the gameplay-related changes. Keyword here is tweaks.

Tweaks. Probably just slight Sorc buffs then.

HugeMuffin · April 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

. Until empirical evidence is presented that the forum-lurkers are leaving the game in DROVES, they won't care, nor should they.

That's like asking for evidence that god doesn't exist. Your average casual will try the game, play the storyline, and then silently stop playing. If people are forced out because casuals find that the combat isn't interesting or they can't do what they want to do or play how they want to play, that will be a silent attrition over months. There will be zero feedback and more changes will be made to end-game that the average casual will never see.

Maybe that's a "good" thing in zeni's eyes. More people dropping silently = more people buying a copy of the game and then not being a burden anymore. But as a player who doesn't care so much about vet trials, this patch hurts my ability to have fun in normal dungeons and solo play.

Essentially, these changes are making the game less forgiving and making it harder for casual players to tinker with builds until they find something that works for them. The PTS sustain punishes players for experimenting with anything besides heavy attacks and without that build customization and tinkering, players will buy the game, run the storyline, and leave.

There will never be any evidence that shows that process, but by the time it has run its course, end-game will be super segregated because there won't be any players interested in making the leap from main story questing up to vet trials, which means that that work-around knowledge will be further isolated from the general base.

MissBizz · April 2017

Dracane wrote: »

From our experience, the first 1 or 2 pts patches don't really take feedback into account. They're usually already done before that.

I think 1 patchnote will be "Potions now restore ressources based on your level. This will be a buff if you had less than 10k max magicka or stamina and a nerf if you had more"

Agreed. I tend to start taking the patch more seriously once PTS3 hits...

Developer Comment

This will be a buff if you were/are away on vacation, and a nerf if you were not.

RavenRoxie · April 2017

They already killed my Templar. If they kill my sorc, I am seriously done.

visionality · April 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

tweaks=we're not changing our mind no matter how much *some of our customers disagree, this is our game.

Fixed. And, yes, that's how creative vision works. Until empirical evidence is presented that the forum-lurkers are leaving the game in DROVES, they won't care, nor should they.

So much of this outrage is just a fart in the wind. No one's even talking about it on Reddit anymore. Instead, they're looking for workarounds and new builds, which is the trend for people experienced in MMORPGs and patches. WoW completely guts and redoes their mechanics EVERY YEAR. ZoS hasn't done a change this dramatic (could even be more dramatic, really--like a resource overhaul) since the removal of Vet ranks.

The forum lurkers are obviously lurking in the forums, so they can't leave the game. And reading most of the above comments, they wouldn't be a loss anyways.

HugeMuffin · April 2017

RavenRoxie wrote: »

They already killed my Templar. If they kill my sorc, I am seriously done.

It's a good thing you don't have a sap tank then. I keep my sorcs around as insurance policies against nerfs.

t3hdubzy · April 2017

Only change will be a class change token now available for real money (no crowns) so everyone can change to sorc or warden and we can play pvp for real (pets vs pets)

Elsonso · April 2017

Faulgor wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

From our experience, the first 1 or 2 pts patches don't really take feedback into account. They're usually already done before that.

Yeah, but Gina already promised some "tweaks". So we'll see.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We always welcome feedback, and everyone is reading even if you don't see a public reply. We do have some tweaks coming to next week's PTS incremental, but please don't expect to see a complete 180 on some of the gameplay-related changes. Keyword here is tweaks.

Yeah, they collect feedback for the first week. Anything significant will take too long to get through development and QA in time for the first PTS patch. What we are getting today will be updates already in the pipeline, and changes to configurable settings that might make some changes to the "nerfs".

luen79rwb17_ESO · April 2017

Lmao you guys are killing me with these developer comment spoilers

lunalitetempler · April 2017

RavenRoxie · April 2017

MyKillv2.0 · April 2017

I know that this is a song for a different time but I wish that they would change the High Elf max mag racial passive to being Spell Crit similar to StamKitty. High Elf and Dark Elf are too similar IMO as far as racists are concerned and do not offer a large enough variety.

Not that this is gamebreaking, racial passives make up a small amount of performance but it would be a nice change none the less.

Berenhir · April 2017

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

High Elf and Dark Elf are too similar IMO as far as racists are concerned and do not offer a large enough variety.

As a dunmer racist, I have to disagree. Altmer are far inferior, though not as much of a beast race as men.

Dracane · April 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

High Elf and Dark Elf are too similar IMO as far as racists are concerned and do not offer a large enough variety.

As a dunmer racist, I have to disagree. Altmer are far inferior, though not as much of a beast race as men.

That's like insulting your parents. Lowly Dunmer wouldn't even exist without the glorious Altmer.
You're impure, sullied by a daedric prince. Please, don't feel proud for the wrong things.

Nifty2g · April 2017

I got you

Seducer; reduced the cost reduction of this set to 2% down from 8%.
Magnus; reduced the chance to 2% down from 8%.
Alteration Mastery; reduced the cost reduction of this set to 1% down from 6%.
Cost Reduction & Magicka/Stamina Regeneration Gylphs; Decreased the potency of these glyphs by approximately 80%.
This will be a buff if your magicka regeneration is below 200 and a nerf otherwise
The resources gained from Heavy Attacking has been reduced by approximately 70%.
Added Magicka Resource Drains to each of the other trials.
Fixed Necrotic Orb synergy having no cooldown.
Added a new buff category called "Minor Uninstall" and "Major Uninstall".
This new buff category is multiplicative with each other

I'm just having fun.

The_Lex · April 2017

Dracane wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

High Elf and Dark Elf are too similar IMO as far as racists are concerned and do not offer a large enough variety.

As a dunmer racist, I have to disagree. Altmer are far inferior, though not as much of a beast race as men.

That's like insulting your parents. Lowly Dunmer wouldn't even exist without the glorious Altmer.
You're impure, sullied by a daedric prince. Please, don't feel proud for the wrong things.

Actually, that's not quite true. The Dunmer wouldn't exist without the ALDmer. Also, the Altmer wouldn't exist without the ALDmer.

High elves, pssht. So static...in culture and in thinking.

Peekachu99 · April 2017

tinbromide wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

. Until empirical evidence is presented that the forum-lurkers are leaving the game in DROVES, they won't care, nor should they.

That's like asking for evidence that god doesn't exist. Your average casual will try the game, play the storyline, and then silently stop playing. If people are forced out because casuals find that the combat isn't interesting or they can't do what they want to do or play how they want to play, that will be a silent attrition over months. There will be zero feedback and more changes will be made to end-game that the average casual will never see.

Maybe that's a "good" thing in zeni's eyes. More people dropping silently = more people buying a copy of the game and then not being a burden anymore. But as a player who doesn't care so much about vet trials, this patch hurts my ability to have fun in normal dungeons and solo play.

Essentially, these changes are making the game less forgiving and making it harder for casual players to tinker with builds until they find something that works for them. The PTS sustain punishes players for experimenting with anything besides heavy attacks and without that build customization and tinkering, players will buy the game, run the storyline, and leave.

There will never be any evidence that shows that process, but by the time it has run its course, end-game will be super segregated because there won't be any players interested in making the leap from main story questing up to vet trials, which means that that work-around knowledge will be further isolated from the general base.

There is no measurable, scientific data that proves God exists. There's faith, which presumes fact and existence in the absence of scientific evidence. But you're derailing from the debate. If ZoS were suddenly firing staff, adding all sorts of pay to win purchases, or adding a mobile style "energy" counter that limited dungeon runs and such per day, like TERA, then we would have circumstantial, but still somewhate credible evidence that they were indeed bleeding subs/ money.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130

(Counts are UP, massively, from November and I guarentee Morrowind will make that count spike.)

Instead we have the above and ZoS touting ever rising numbers. That's the only data we have. People come and go in MMORPGs all the time, that's par for the course. But we have no evidence that this attrition is worse than normal. None at all. Except for people (usually the same ones posting multiple threads each day) raging on an invitation only forum for the most hardcore fans of the game. Which sample would be less biased from which to drawn an opinion? Steam data or the "I quit" ragers on here? You tell me. The answer is pretty obvious, though.

makreth · April 2017

Didaco wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Heavy attacks now use stamina AND magicka

Developer's comment:
This will be a buff to your own resource drain rate.

Heavy attacks now use stamina AND magicka

The game was not as fast paced as we wanted it to be so heavy and light attacks now drain resources, magicka or stamina, depending on the type of weapon equipped. With this change players will consider whether or not to spend time on light and heavy attacks and can focus mainly on running around for faster resource replenishment.

DerpyShadowz · April 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

I got you
Seducer; reduced the cost reduction of this set to 2% down from 8%.

Magnus; reduced the chance to 2% down from 8%.

Alteration Mastery; reduced the cost reduction of this set to 1% down from 6%.

Cost Reduction & Magicka/Stamina Regeneration Gylphs; Decreased the potency of these glyphs by approximately 80%.
This will be a buff if your magicka regeneration is below 200 and a nerf otherwise

The resources gained from Heavy Attacking has been reduced by approximately 70%.

Added Magicka Resource Drains to each of the other trials.

Fixed Necrotic Orb synergy having no cooldown.

Added a new buff category called "Minor Uninstall" and "Major Uninstall".
This new buff category is multiplicative with each other

I'm just having fun.

Having fun, yet very realistic outcome still.

Ashamray · April 2017

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

High Elf and Dark Elf are too similar IMO as far as racists are concerned and do not offer a large enough variety.

As a dunmer racist, I have to disagree. Altmer are far inferior, though not as much of a beast race as men.

That's like insulting your parents. Lowly Dunmer wouldn't even exist without the glorious Altmer.
You're impure, sullied by a daedric prince. Please, don't feel proud for the wrong things.

Actually, that's not quite true. The Dunmer wouldn't exist without the ALDmer. Also, the Altmer wouldn't exist without the ALDmer.

High elves, pssht. So static...in culture and in thinking.

You're right, Old Mary gave life to all elfy things, as we, men, say.

Pallio · April 2017

ESO: A case study of how the take a.strong following from series of successful single player games and possibly them all off.

Like is Amazon decided to start making terrible electric cars.

Juhasow · April 2017

Oh or this

Heavy attacks now drains stamina and magicka instead restoring it.
Developer comment

This will be a nerf.

Vosital · April 2017

Neighbor wrote: »

Dragonknight

Ardent Flame, Draconic Power, Earthen Heart

All Passive Abilities
We've removed all the passives from this class

Developer Comment
This is a buff if you enjoy playing a cardboard box

I am surprised they would even keep the actives. I am waiting for them to remove everything except Molten Weapons and them to just be like "you guys just get to heavy attack now"

joaaocaampos · April 2017

Sorcerer

Storm Calling
- Surge: Reduced the healing of this ability and its morphs by approximately 75%.

Developer Comments:

Although Sorcerer is our favorite class, we all agree that healing this ability is very powerful.

DHale · April 2017

Heavy attacks will now cost 3500 magic or stamina depending on the highest stat on Monday's Wednesday and Friday and the lowest stat on the weekends and alternating Tuesday's and Thursday's.

HugeMuffin · April 2017

DHale wrote: »

Heavy attacks will now cost 3500 magic or stamina depending on the highest stat on Monday's Wednesday and Friday and the lowest stat on the weekends and alternating Tuesday's and Thursday's.

Unless the day happens fall between a a holy day that falls on a monday and a holy day that falls on a thursday, when the stat will be modified based on whether or not the last humanoid monster or player you fought used a mace.

LiquidPony · April 2017

* Added a new Siphoning passive for Nightblades: Stamsucker, which automatically re-specs all of your stamina attribute points into Magicka. This passive is automatically unlocked when a new Nightblade is created. Obviously no one would intentionally create a stamina Nightblade so this passive will help guide you in the right direction.

DerpyShadowz · April 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

Oh or this

Heavy attacks now drains stamina and magicka instead restoring it.
Developer comment
This will be a nerf.

Slight adjustment

Heavy attacks now drains stamina and magicka instead of restoring it.
Developer comment

This will be a buff if you are new to the game and don't actually know what an ability bar is yet. This change will use your resource pool automatically for you and make combat feel more engaging and rewarding.