Argonians...it bothers me

TheUrbanWizard · April 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

I raise the spine of confusion.

I believe it is erect

MasterSpatula · April 2017

max_only wrote: »

Argonians bother me too.

But.

Chickens have breast meat.... and *technically* they are reptiles. Also Argonians can grow feathers. So maybe they have chests without ***...... eugh this topic is really horrible lol

Edit lol nips are censored!

That's because we use biology incorrectly when it comes to humans.

What we call breasts are actually teats. Actual breasts are the muscle mass of the chest. Both women and men have breasts. On women, they're underneath the teats, which we, for some reason, call breasts.

It all probably has something to do with squeamishness about reproductive biology, especially in the English-speaking cultures.

EDIT: Also, wait a minute. Chickens aren't reptiles.

Bouldercleave · April 2017

Mordenkainen wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

It doesn't make much sense lorewise for such diverse races to share the same bodyshape and animations. And at least in Morrowind (idk about Daggerfall and Arena) Khajiits and Argonians used to be more different from the other races (eg. no breasts on females), which i actually prefer to the uniform races of newer Elder Scrolls games.

It is just less work for the developers to use the same model for all races, which is the main (only?) reason, why the races ended up like they are now. Not much lore behind it.

Wat.

That's from the vanilla game, unmodded. Those are clearly breasts.

My God we have come a long way

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Yeah whoever decided lizard people are mammals has never seen an animal.

waterfairy · April 2017

Lol somehow I new that this would be about boobs

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Yeah whoever decided lizard people are mammals has never seen an animal.

Again, they didn't decide they're mammals - they're just artists applying standard human shape-recognition ("curvy = female") without regard to actual biology.

Just like the sci-fi movies that have swoopy-dogfight-noises for spaceship battles, even though the science nerds yell "there's no sound in space!"

Accuracy isn't their goal. Quick recognition via familiar symbology & shape/sound/etc cues is.

k9mouse · April 2017

If I remember right in a lore book, I think Argonians can change sex if needed...

jedtb16_ESO · April 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

I mean, argonians are no mammals...

their female lay eggs..their baby don't even drink milk then why do they have "that"?

their male,,,well if you know your biology, crocs' "manly thing" is hidden in the body unless they are mating........I donno...just feel weird thinking about this

Hope I don't get ban for discussing biology things

if this is all you have to worry, or post, about then you have an easy life...

cherish it.

RavenRoxie · April 2017

Mordenkainen wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

It doesn't make much sense lorewise for such diverse races to share the same bodyshape and animations. And at least in Morrowind (idk about Daggerfall and Arena) Khajiits and Argonians used to be more different from the other races (eg. no breasts on females), which i actually prefer to the uniform races of newer Elder Scrolls games.

It is just less work for the developers to use the same model for all races, which is the main (only?) reason, why the races ended up like they are now. Not much lore behind it.

Wat.

That's from the vanilla game, unmodded. Those are clearly breasts.

Argonians are weird, that's why I don't play them. Also, yes, they did have breasts in Morrowind, as shown above. I forgot how bad morrowind looked LOL it was AMAZING back then tho lol

wolfdoggie_ESO · April 2017

The reason why Argonian females have always disturb me. ;s

Tryxus · April 2017

Here's why: en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Lusty_Argonian_Maid

Tholian1 · April 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

I raise the spine of confusion.

The Argonian lingo bothers me the most. Erecting spines and vibrating membranes. Ick!

k9mouse · April 2017

Argonians have the best names in TES / ESO games.

Prof_Bawbag · April 2017

Characters can shoot electricity from their finger tips, disappear into a plume of smoke, walk around with no soul etc, etc and you think the biology of a specific race makes little or no sense?

WhiteCoatSyndrome · April 2017

I'm a little surprised no one asked Heita-Meen when the opportunity came up.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Yeah whoever decided lizard people are mammals has never seen an animal.

Again, they didn't decide they're mammals - they're just artists applying standard human shape-recognition ("curvy = female") without regard to actual biology.

Just like the sci-fi movies that have swoopy-dogfight-noises for spaceship battles, even though the science nerds yell "there's no sound in space!"

Accuracy isn't their goal. Quick recognition via familiar symbology & shape/sound/etc cues is.

Breasts are for milk, argonians hatch from eggs.
Technically argonians are super evolved trees so it's all madness.

Shgon_Dunstan · April 2017

No really, those of you who are finding them unplayable because they have breast... You are just failing to understand WHAT they are.

They aren't "the lizard people". They are "the engendered servants of the godlike Hest trees".

They wouldn't even be sapient if they didn't drink the Hest sap when young. They don't even have the same kind of SOULS as all the other races.

They are effectively the magical equivalent of an AI race.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2017

Youre questioning why a lizard has breasts but not how it can actually produce words. Or why it evolved to walk on two legs when it comes from a swamp enviroment where it would of likely have never needed to leave all fours let alone ever leave the water (think crocodiles).

Shgon_Dunstan · April 2017

Speaking of "lizard people"... Are the old non-argonian lizardmen from Arena still canon?

Haven't run into any yet, but still have a ton of ground to cover.

Gilvoth · April 2017

the "Twin Lamps" does not exist. if i find out that it does in-fact exist then we need exterminate and remove it from existence.

Shadow_Viper_vX · April 2017

EQ/EQ2 did it right with Iksar, no breasts

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Breasts are for milk, argonians hatch from eggs.
Technically argonians are super evolved trees so it's all madness.

Doesn't matter if it's a mammal, a reptile, a hyper-evolved tree, or a Transformer.... if it's 'female', most designers will give it boobs so that generic humans will recognize, at a glance, that it's female. /shrug

Shgon_Dunstan · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Yeah whoever decided lizard people are mammals has never seen an animal.

Again, they didn't decide they're mammals - they're just artists applying standard human shape-recognition ("curvy = female") without regard to actual biology.

Just like the sci-fi movies that have swoopy-dogfight-noises for spaceship battles, even though the science nerds yell "there's no sound in space!"

Accuracy isn't their goal. Quick recognition via familiar symbology & shape/sound/etc cues is.

Breasts are for milk, argonians hatch from eggs.
Technically argonians are super evolved trees so it's all madness.

Again, not always. If circumstances aren't ideal for egg laying they are perfectly capable of live birth. Just as when they are a long way from the Hest their breast can produce Hest sap for their young.

k9mouse · April 2017

Saxheeks what Argonian call themselves in their native tongue have several different sub races just like the Khajiit do.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Shgon_Dunstan wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Yeah whoever decided lizard people are mammals has never seen an animal.

Again, they didn't decide they're mammals - they're just artists applying standard human shape-recognition ("curvy = female") without regard to actual biology.

Just like the sci-fi movies that have swoopy-dogfight-noises for spaceship battles, even though the science nerds yell "there's no sound in space!"

Accuracy isn't their goal. Quick recognition via familiar symbology & shape/sound/etc cues is.

Breasts are for milk, argonians hatch from eggs.
Technically argonians are super evolved trees so it's all madness.

Again, not always. If circumstances aren't ideal for egg laying they are perfectly capable of live birth. Just as when they are a long way from the Hest their breast can produce Hest sap for their young.

I find it strange you know anything about this considering you don't know how Hist is spelled.

Shgon_Dunstan · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Shgon_Dunstan wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Yeah whoever decided lizard people are mammals has never seen an animal.

Again, they didn't decide they're mammals - they're just artists applying standard human shape-recognition ("curvy = female") without regard to actual biology.

Just like the sci-fi movies that have swoopy-dogfight-noises for spaceship battles, even though the science nerds yell "there's no sound in space!"

Accuracy isn't their goal. Quick recognition via familiar symbology & shape/sound/etc cues is.

Breasts are for milk, argonians hatch from eggs.
Technically argonians are super evolved trees so it's all madness.

Again, not always. If circumstances aren't ideal for egg laying they are perfectly capable of live birth. Just as when they are a long way from the Hest their breast can produce Hest sap for their young.

I find it strange you know anything about this considering you don't know how Hist is spelled.

Meh, misremembered the spelling. So sue me.

But 1. I do read lore books on such when I happen to bump into them, and 2... It's not exactly an original topic. Recall watching a video on it not too long ago with covered a lot of it.

https://youtu.be/eGDFuKHIvNE

HatchetHaro · April 2017

Phinix1 · April 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It's a common design issue in many fantasy/sci-fi things.

Because it's designed by humans, for humans. And human visual-recognition cues. Curvy-shape = female. So, to make 'female' whatevers obvious to the human consumers of the media, they give them boobs & hips. Even if it doesn't make "sense" from a science & biology standpoint.

Just pretend they're "hist bags" and "egg baskets" and it will all make sense.

Enslaved · April 2017

Bombashaman wrote: »

I hate argonians. Talking handbags, they even sound like opening bags, creaking.

They hate you back. Also, bet your irl bags are made of plastic.

mandrakethebard_ESO · April 2017

Why do Argonians have breasts? It's an evolutionary adaption to sharing a planet with multiple mammalian sentient species.

Think about it. You're a sentient species that is forced to interact with multiple other sentients, all of whom are mammals. That means that the females of all of those other species have breasts (teats, if you prefer). If you're the only sentient species whose females don't possess that characteristic it will affect the way the other species deal with you. Therefore, Argonian females who better conform to the body proportions expected by the mammals will enjoy better treatment and less unconscious hostility from the mammals. This introduces a selection pressure that favors Argonian females with enlarged chests. Over time evolution will gradually favor larger and larger chests on Argonian females.

So the answer to your question is that the breasts on Argonian females aren't breasts at all... they're a cosmetic feature only, one that is the result of natural selection.

EDIT: BTW, I just skimmed that video that was posted a few responses back and it looks like that guy also brought up a version of my basic hypothesis. For the record (1) I've never seen that video before and (2) I have promulgated this hypothesis ever since the whole "why do Argonians have breasts" question was first brought up. Oblivion, for all I know that guy read one of my old posts, though I find that notion unlikely. It just seems like a logical hypothesis that anyone could think up to me.