What About Stamblades?

Merancapeman · April 2017

Forgive me if this has been posted numerous times, but I've not seen or heard it. Most people complaining about the nerfs in this upcoming update (and rightfully so) have talked about the further destruction of stam builds, their stam DK's, and mortally wounded classes such as the Magblade. But I've not been hearing anything in particular about how badly the Stamblade builds have suffered; although I know the last few updates have been killing us. Does anyone have any specific details or experience regarding the nerfs of stamblades and how much worse this upcoming update will damage them?

From what I can tell, Zeni's claim that all classes will have the ability to extend to all three roles and therefore there's no such thing as being pidgeon-holed into specific classes. Tell that to everyone flocking to magsorcs while stamblades never get invited to trials.

olsborg · April 2017

IMO stamblades needs 2 things, a working cloak and a source of minor mending.

Shadzilla · April 2017

Stamblades have been well behind stam dk and stam sorcs in PVE forever, stamina itself is just not an option for good competitive pve scores as explained in these threads.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/334157/stamina-dps-in-pve-fixed-for-morrowind#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/312992/why-are-stamina-setups-bad-for-trials-pve/p7

Pancake-Tragedy · April 2017

RIP nightblades

I do hope they get some love or a rework soon.

The biggest complaint I see with Morrowind is the change to Siphoning strikes and only being mediocre at everything. I think thats partially due to Sorcs overshadowing other classes though.

Balamoor · April 2017

I'm not going to write off my Stamblade.

I played a Ret pally for years in WoW....I can survive anything.

Merancapeman · April 2017

To that, I wonder how much fun you'll have in vet trial, heh. Although I, too, will continue to play stamblade, assuming I don't leave as a result of Morrowind. It's bad that a game in which it is a selling point that your playstyle should always be viable, they're pidgeon-holing you to play mag builds, or at least magsorcs.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

olsborg wrote: »

IMO stamblades needs 2 things, a working cloak and a source of minor mending.

So you want your stam night blade to have the same healing capacity as a templar in the next update with minor mending? Is this a joke?

FlyLionel · April 2017

Buff please, I barely use my nb in pve. Stam sorc of stam nb...hmm.

itehache · April 2017

I won't stop playing my stamblade just because of the nerfs. I do play for fun, and even though I do run veteran trials and I know my magicka sorcerer friend is doing more damage than me, I can provide the team with useful buffs and armor buffs.
I guess if you want to have the best dps stamina NB it's not an option, but I do not like it when people stop playing the class they like just because whatever the patches are changing

kadar · April 2017

Not sure what type of content you're referencing-- scratch that, it doesn't really matter. If trying to perform...well anything, at a high/competitive level, you can do it better, sometimes handily so, with a different class. The exception to this is perhaps stealth ganking in Cyrodiil, which is frankly quite disheartening...

NB as a whole is taking a severe nerf with the planned changes to Siphoning Attacks which can found detailed here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/336539/proposed-alternative-to-the-siphoning-attacks-leeching-strikes-changes-and-why/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/336536/nightblade-siphoning-attack-nerf-dks-templars-were-in-the-same-boat

I'm crossing my fingers for another look by the Devs with the next rounds of PTS changes.

xeNNNNN · April 2017

itehache wrote: »

I won't stop playing my stamblade just because of the nerfs. I do play for fun, and even though I do run veteran trials and I know my magicka sorcerer friend is doing more damage than me, I can provide the team with useful buffs and armor buffs.
I guess if you want to have the best dps stamina NB it's not an option, but I do not like it when people stop playing the class they like just because whatever the patches are changing

There is a good reason for it even if it is deppressing.

There comes a point when nerfs come along to a class where their usefulness is put into question, i.e if its vmol and you're missing 20k more dps and somehow that missing 20k is preventing completion then people will start saying "blahblah we're carrying you blahbalh" and so bassically some even just say, "dont come on what you want to play on". which is unfortunate.

Its a crappy point of view but people do hold it and its rather irritating actually. Thats usually the reason people stop playing on something when it gets hard nerfs because they "dont want to be carried" in pve or "useless" in pvp even though the nerfs dont always equal being useless or not powerful enough etc. People follow the meta, the meta sticks. People only come on certain classes. For my own vmol group for example we have 2 mag dk's and rest are sorcs when it comes to dps.

Gilvoth · April 2017

we stamblades need to no longer be pulled out of stealth and also need some sort of better survival, we die to easily.

KingJ · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

IMO stamblades needs 2 things, a working cloak and a source of minor mending.

So you want your stam night blade to have the same healing capacity as a templar in the next update with minor mending? Is this a joke?

@D0ntevenL1ft Actually templars would still have better healing thanks to (Mending: This passive ability now increases the healing done by Restoring Light abilities by 6/12% based on the target’s missing health, up from 5/10%.)

So templar will have better healing than dk and nb even if they gave nb access to major mending.The new issue will be that Nb have better healing then DK since DK major mending buff would be no existent after a light attack.

Koensol · April 2017

Stamblades really are the worst dps class in the game. Whenever I pug a vet dungeon as tank, and I see 2 nb dps, I know it is going to be a hassle.

The main problem being their class dps is mainly burst oriented, and their rotation is too clunky too keep up. It just doesn't feel good at all.

Sinkas · April 2017

Merancapeman wrote: »

Forgive me if this has been posted numerous times, but I've not seen or heard it. Most people complaining about the nerfs in this upcoming update (and rightfully so) have talked about the further destruction of stam builds, their stam DK's, and mortally wounded classes such as the Magblade. But I've not been hearing anything in particular about how badly the Stamblade builds have suffered; although I know the last few updates have been killing us. Does anyone have any specific details or experience regarding the nerfs of stamblades and how much worse this upcoming update will damage them?

From what I can tell, Zeni's claim that all classes will have the ability to extend to all three roles and therefore there's no such thing as being pidgeon-holed into specific classes. Tell that to everyone flocking to magsorcs while stamblades never get invited to trials.

ZOS hates Nightblades. Probably because they don't know how to counterplay gankers and bombers

. PvE wise the class is in a really bad place , I'd say it's the worst class atm.

laksikus · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

IMO stamblades needs 2 things, a working cloak and a source of minor mending.

So you want your stam night blade to have the same healing capacity as a templar in the next update with minor mending? Is this a joke?

Dks will still have major mendimg

Izaki · April 2017

olsborg wrote: »

IMO stamblades needs 2 things, a working cloak and a source of minor mending.

In PvE they need so much more than that.

Izaki · April 2017

Koensol wrote: »

Stamblades really are the worst dps class in the game. Whenever I pug a vet dungeon as tank, and I see 2 nb dps, I know it is going to be a hassle.

The main problem being their class dps is mainly burst oriented, and their rotation is too clunky too keep up. It just doesn't feel good at all.

Bad nightblades are bad, good nightblades match the DPS of a stam sorc.

MakoFore · April 2017

if cloak works- they shouldn't need mending . two classes that dont need mending are sorcs- as they have crit surge- and nightblades- cos they can go inviistible. every class should have their own means of damage mitigation- and those are theirs. templars heal thru damage, Dk's buff and armour thru damage, sorcs- fight thru it- and night blades go invisible. these are class defining traits.
a night blade shouldn't heal thru damage- they should cloak and duck out- thats what makes them night blades. they go freaking invisible. dont give them healing too.
that being said- cloak dosent work.

Miruku · April 2017

From my testing stamblade still good on pts.

Izaki · April 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we stamblades need to no longer be pulled out of stealth and also need some sort of better survival, we die to easily.

I can tell you right now that 1.5k healing on our light and heavy attacks (that can't crit) isn't going to do the job.

bottleofsyrup · April 2017

Wrobel doesn't play a stamblade so don't expect anything to happen.

Godeko · April 2017

Stamblades are dead. I hope for a rework. New skills, new passives. Maybe they will be able to balance it, when they first carefully work out the skills.

Another option would be class change token or account-wide achievements, so I can finally say goodbye to my stamblade (main).

Miruku · April 2017

Godeko wrote: »

Stamblades are dead. I hope for a rework. New skills, new passives. Maybe they will be able to balance it, when they first carefully work out the skills.

Another option would be class change token or account-wide achievements, so I can finally say goodbye to my stamblade (main).

In pve yes in PVP they are far from it,

Narvuntien · April 2017

Especially since the one thing they are good at.... one shotting people from stealth.... we deemed unfair and the bonus damage was removed.... great okay but I need something back for losing the one thing I am good at.

inf.toniceb17_ESO · April 2017

The only thing Stamblades were good at comparing to other classes was ganking and resource management. It's not the case anymore so i guess ppl don't complain about NBs cuz they gave up. Stamblades are practicly usless now. No sustain, no self healing, mediocre damage, seriusly nerfed stealth damage. Magblades are not much better really. They still got refreshing path and swallow soul to keep themselves alive and thats about it.

KanedaSyndrome · April 2017

I main a stamblade, I have never done VMA, but I aim to do this before Morrowind since I fear it will be very hard/impossible to do once the patch hits. If it is as bad as I fears, then I'll begin maining my old imperial tank in Morrowind.

Merancapeman · April 2017

Miruku wrote: »

From my testing stamblade still good on pts.

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zuto40 · April 2017

revert the changes and buff stamblade, otherwise, hello mag sorc here i come

KingJ · April 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

revert the changes and buff stamblade, otherwise, hello mag sorc here i come

@zuto40 I thought you was quitting?

ChunkyCat · April 2017

I renamed my stamblade to Derpy-Derp. Then I renamed my stam sorc with my stamblade's previous name. Even did a race change to make the stam sorc look like my stam blade.

Logged in, friends looked confused when they saw me, and I was like "what are you talking about? I've always been a sorc."

Hehehehe.