Ebon or Plague Doctor?

Kyoma · March 2017

I summon thee, Almighty @Woeler, give us your divine guiding!

Solariken · March 2017

Ebon is the better option of the two IMO. I generally don't have more than 24-25k health when I tank vet 4-mans and rarely die. When I do die it's usually because I stood in a puddle of derp or got caught with my pants down.

Woeler · March 2017

Icky wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

I have had bad experience with ebon armory after spending weeks farming it. One group in the veteran argonian ruin dugeon was compalining about my 30k health because the poison attacks in chudan keeps killing me. Should I go plague doctor instead of ebon so I have 5k more health since people at ungreatful about me giving them extra health? Wearing the ebon really man my stats look bad so should i switch?

LOL its not the armor killing you its your reflexes bouble tap out of that poision back and forth. or just bash his ass

Exactly. 1k hp isnt your problem. Ebon is a trash set thats worn just for the glowly balls look. Lot of us joked around about how worthless it is at last years professional ESO player convention.

Professional eso player convention lmao. Tell me boy, what guild? Where are your leaderboard scores?

I think you are confused with the professional clueless convention.

God what a joke.

Gordon906 · March 2017

Woeler? Is that really you?

Woeler · March 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Woeler? Is that really you?

No, I'm an artificial intelligence that acts on his behalf while he is in the office.

Vildebill · March 2017

This thread is more entertaining than the jesters festival. Pretty good test to see if people understand sarcasm since the answer is so obvious.

Banana · March 2017

Dr_Ganknstein · March 2017

Dr_Ganknstein · March 2017

The look on my face when you guys responded to my posts acting all serious and even angry:

Gordon906 · April 2017

;_; okay...

Duiwel · April 2017

Woeler wrote: »

...Tell me boy...

What I imagine he looks like asking OP that

WalksonGraves · April 2017

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Ebon you would be surprised how many DPS need that extra 1k health cause they can't be bothered to put anything into health.

I'd love to actually see these "I survived with under 1k hp" moments because it sounds like a fairy tale. People make builds with hp that are exactly equal to a killing blow and then expect the tank to save them? Do they only die to low frequency hits while the enemies patiently wait their turn?
1k hp is less than a single hit from anything.

Duiwel · April 2017

@WalksonGraves Your clueless-ness to the importance of group buffing is atrocious.

Next we'll hear you say Ele drain is useless and a waste of a slot skill, so are wormcult for trials ect.

How about not spreading false information on a public forum if you have no idea what you are talking about and just stick with queuing with randoms in Vet Dungeons, which btw are pretty ez mode.

Asardes · April 2017

Truth be told I've seen plenty of mechanics who leave people with just a slither of health and you have to boost them up quite fast so the next blast doesn't kill them. Just 2 examples from vAA:
- Varlariel - most groups will concentrate on the adds except one who will be left to boost the bosses' blast when it comes back. Not all groups will be able to burn all before they return but if you leave 2 it's pretty much game over so people will discuss which one to leave alone, or at least leave last. When that boss blows up with just one add left it leaves people with 10-15% of their health bar.
- The Mage - in execute phase it will emit strong pulses which would also eat trough player's health quite fast, even with full healing springs spam. If you miss your cast it's quite possible someone will die.

So there's way better to have that extra 1.2K margin of safety (1K from Ebon gets further boosted by undaunted and other passives) than have to pick up the dead after each mechanic or get wiped. Deaths matter a lot since they substract from your end score and if you are aiming for the leaderboard it's necessary to minimize that. Also people putting points into health will miss magicka and stamina, which will lower their DPS considerably. So it's way better to have the tank boost everyone by 1K than have them lose 2.5-3K magicka/stamina, which is equivalent to about 250-300 spell damage. By comparison that's the 5th piece damage buff from Julianos or Hunding. So not having the tank in Ebon means the DDs will literally drop the 5th piece of their DPS set so they can reach the same margin of safety. And that will be dumb.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Here's an idea dps, use a single hp enchant. Oh look your dps is suddenly viable, that 100 spell damage loss sure will make a difference.

You really can't figure out how to up your hp without sacrificing a set?

Ebon like tavas was is hugely over rated and eventually you will figure this out.

As for trials leaderboards, top scores only amuse small children, I honestly couldn't care less how fast other people do things.

Asardes · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Here's an idea dps, use a single hp enchant. Oh look your dps is suddenly viable, that 100 spell damage loss sure will make a difference.

You really can't figure out how to up your hp without sacrificing a set?

Ebon like tavas was is hugely over rated and eventually you will figure this out.

As for trials leaderboards, top scores only amuse small children, I honestly couldn't care less how fast other people do things.

One HP enchant more is one magicka enchant less. You will only lose ~1K magicka/stamina that way but that still matters when you draw the line. As for leaderboards, an extra chance to get a moondancer or IA staff or a piece of gold jewelry is nothing to laugh at. The endgame is always about cooperation - spreading resources, buffs and debuffs optimally in group - and competition - a higher position on the leaderboard. Why use a sub-optimal resource allocation - everyone sacrifices 1K stamina/magicka for 1K health - when you can use an optimal one - tank uses Ebon and sacrifices next to nothing for his role?

Runschei · April 2017

Imo ebon is good for trials, not so much for just regular dungeons.

clocksstoppe · April 2017

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

Gordon906 · April 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

So what set do you use?

clocksstoppe · April 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

So what set do you use?

Leeching plate, sentinel helm set, and vampire cloak (this one is kind of bad but i couldn't be bothered to farm another decent set).

Gordon906 · April 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

So what set do you use?

Leeching plate, sentinel helm set, and vampire cloak (this one is kind of bad but i couldn't be bothered to farm another decent set).

Those sets are awful because they do nothing

Asardes · April 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

So what set do you use?

Leeching plate, sentinel helm set, and vampire cloak (this one is kind of bad but i couldn't be bothered to farm another decent set).

Vampire cloak is an useless set for tanking, since the same buff (minor protection) can be received by using Ring of Preservation from Fighters Guild skill line. Not only that, but the latter gives the same buff to others standing on the rune, so it also adds group utility. Identical buffs won't stack. You don't actually need to farm another set, you can also go for a crafted one, especially because you can craft in different weights. To get full undaunted bonuses and also minimize resistance loss by crafting medium hands and light waist, as those have the least resistance anyway. For example use leeching jewelry (easy to get), weapon (drops in defending and it's called Warden's Courage) and chest, legs or feet, and craft waist, hands, and the other two big piece, as well as shields from the other set. Seducer's, Tava's or other sets work rather well.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

meh leeching and sentinel is halfway to a good sustain combo, I loved sentinel for a minute until I realized it dies from kitten farts if they happen to be aoe.

clocksstoppe · April 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

So what set do you use?

Leeching plate, sentinel helm set, and vampire cloak (this one is kind of bad but i couldn't be bothered to farm another decent set).

Those sets are awful because they do nothing

I don't really claim they are BiS, but they surely are better than ebon or plague doctor because literally anything that is not raw health is better than them. Doesn't really matter what tank sets you run anyways, tank is a braindead role where you just taunt then hold block and watch your DK and gear passives replenish all your resources.

Gordon906 · April 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Both sets are awful because they do nothing.

As for Chudan's spit, you can reflect it with the 1h skill or dk wings.

So what set do you use?

Leeching plate, sentinel helm set, and vampire cloak (this one is kind of bad but i couldn't be bothered to farm another decent set).

Those sets are awful because they do nothing

I don't really claim they are BiS, but they surely are better than ebon or plague doctor because literally anything that is not raw health is better than them. Doesn't really matter what tank sets you run anyways, tank is a braindead role where you just taunt then hold block and watch your DK and gear passives replenish all your resources.

And buffs... also dealing minor damage, and cc, and telling brain dead dps to revive teammates instead of attacking like an idiot when they can save their team so you don't get wiped while you hold aggro

AllPlayAndNoWork · April 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.

Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.

Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.

There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situations

Like I said, 2k stam regen and knowing when to block and when to heavy attack is key. In the end it comes down to the player. If you are perma blocking and running out of resources with 2k regen, no DK build can help you.

DK can sustain with less than 500 stam regen

Ok man, you win! Only DKs can be tank. I'll...just be over there playing the game.

Even sorc and nightblade can tank but not as good as dk.[/quote]

Wrong. My Magblade can tank as well as anyone. Its all about how you play it.

Fodore · April 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ebon definitly and your health wasnt what was getting you killed vs chudan it was the mechanics, you should be able to do all endgame content with 27k health.

Plague doctor is an overkill unless you are a blazing shield templar

Yea I guess I'm a pointless tank with extra health still hanging while all my team mates are dead.

As a healer I would say it is the healers fault, I have no problem keeping tanks alive with 25k health in all endgame content

Sheva I 7 I · April 2017

so many trolls in same thread. You can wear whatever you want for most vet dungeons, and get all achievements associated with them. I like how top debuff effects arguments came out for dungeons, when most of the time you are pugging vet dungeons anyway, your alkosh will most likely out dps that 160 cp dude, who has no points in light armor concentration perk and got decisive blue weapon on.

For harder dungeons, like vCOA 2 that I sometimes pug with bunch of 300 cps, i put on lunar bastion, which can be quite helpful in tight spaces.

Other than that its always alkosh/ebon/bloodspawn for dungeons, I don't have any difficulties in anything except for hm cradle, which I haven't done with a good healer yet/still missing experience as i started tanking 2 weeks ago. I don't really see a need for tavas at all tbh, if dps is good they will be melting everything anyway, that 1 extra warhorn won't make such a big difference. If dps is crap/avg, 15% extra crit dmg won't be noticeable.

For Vaa Axes you might need to put on footmans/histbark/lunar bastion on.

For VDSA some tanks like Swarm Mother/Sellistrex helm.

Also Pirate king helmet is interesting choice, would like to see how it does on axes.

O_LYKOS · April 2017

If in doubt, use both. I use Ebon and Doctor on my tank just for more survivability. I'm not a massive fan of being tank so rarely use it so it helps me.

Ihatenightblades · April 2017

But it this way .. i get annoyed when i see somebody in pve with plague doctor lol. Nobody needs all that health and plus it doesn't benefit anybody but you .

I run ebon and imperium best group friendly tank possible i think.