Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Zarkeson wrote: »

Compare these things to vampires whom have cloaked(hidden) weaknesses, mist form(75% damage reduction), un-death passive(negate up to 33% damage when under 50% health, super siphon(restore 20% max health), massive AOE(bat swarm).
Werewolf transformation is such a short period. It needs to have very good incentives!
Some people literally dodge/vanish from a transformed werewolf until it runs out, then begin attacking. That's very disappointing.
Beokros

Not going into your suggestiosn just want to mention that this is where you are wrong.

1) First off it is pretty obvious if someone is a vampire (abilites, bufftracker, evil hunter). And the extra fire dmg is massive. Everyone and their mother deals fire damage in pve and pvp. Also mind that the FG abilites deal more dmg to them as well.

2) Mist form has it's downside. No magicka regen, no ability usage, no sprint. You can't attack while you use this skill.

3) Undeath doesn't grant you 33% mitigation under 50% health. It grants you UP TO 33% negation, beginning to rise at 50% health. So you need really low health to get the full mitigation.

4) Also, Drain Essence doesn't restore 20% max health. It restores 20% of the missing health each second over 3 seconds. Mind the difference. Also, it's a channel and no burst heal. It can be interrupted and you can't do anything else while using this.

5) My Batswarm has a tiny bit over half the tooltip dmg per sec of the destro ult + it only lasts 5 seconds.

You are not wrong but here are some things to keep in mind. Vampire is mostly for PvP and some tanks. In PVE you just feed.

1) in PvP no Stam does fire damage, and alot of people in PvP are Stam. Some do dawnbreaker but that's just 1 ultimate. The only real heavy fire damage in PvP is from DK, and fire destro ultimates again ulti that will kill anything so you have to leave. Templars are mainly jabbing and Jesus beaming both non fire damage. Nightblades light/heavy attacks are fire that's it. Sorc 1/3 of force pulse light/heavy. MagDK is where the fire is brought in force.

2) true what you said about mistform. However it is one of the most powerful abilities in this game every mag class except sorcs use it all the time. It's not meant to be an attack it's an escape and an extremely good one, there is a morph that gives speed. So you do move quite rapidly in the form. The benefits faaaaar outweigh any perceived weaknesses. People go vampire for this skill first off then the other buffs. Furtheremore this stacks with shields, so your shield is taking 75% less damage while in mistform. Don't try to down play the power of this amazing skill. People go mistform and go through all five of a sorcs mines and just laugh it off. It can be used to get in to keeps tanking the oils and mines and ground abilities such as caltrops. And get in near unscathed and in slowed rooted or knocked down. it's AMAZING!

3) undeath grants .66% mitigation per health point under 50% so at just 40% health you are at near 7% mitigation, this is powerful. And should not be down played.

4) again what you say is true but is just half the story, this ability is one of the most broken stuns in the game as it can be cancelled but the stun animation still goes through. Making it a beauty for setting up burst or apply pressure on classes with poor stuns like magplar. And for the high health tank builds in PvP and PvE the heals are gargantuan.

5) finally true once again, but still not the full detail. It costs 100 less ultimate and the healing morph is actually huge. It's a powerful defensive and offensive AoE ultimate all for just 148 ulti. A powerful ULTI used alot by sword and board magDK, and magplar. And gets some use still on non bomb magblades.

All in all a truly strong kit that sees alot of use from all it's abilities in PvP. And for group PvE for the most part the fire damage never comes into play and the regen is quite useful, and some tanks love the drain/undeath. (I think the undeath is silly on a tank, you don't ever wanna rely on it but whatever)

Only if Vampires also get an overhaul.

I'd love if ww could be used more often. Many times I want to turn in a dungeon but I prefer not to , to save it for the boss

WW is actually fine but I think the constant feeding can be annoying. Everything timer related should be doubled.

The vampire set up makes it so everyone who uses magic in game has a decent incentive to be one but there's no reason to be a WW atm unless you like it and/or good at it

I must say I really do not see the point of a werewolf tank. It would be viable in simple pledges only. In trials there are far too many buffs and the like that need to be kept up. And in some of the the harder 4 man's meh. No ulti no chains NOTHING really useful for tanking. Could be fun though. Nice if they made the unused morph a taunt I guess.

mb10 wrote: »

WW is actually fine but I think the constant feeding can be annoying. Everything timer related should be doubled.

The vampire set up makes it so everyone who uses magic in game has a decent incentive to be one but there's no reason to be a WW atm unless you like it and/or good at it

This is the main thing right here!

I have recently been playing a werewolf in PVP, and due to to it being my only high dps attack as a tank, I really do like to use it. I find it hard to gain the ultimate with it, even with the extra werewolf boost armor and the blood spawn helmet.

The werewolf normally works better if your in a team, especially if you have your skills set to help groups. Although it works even better if your running with other werewolves

The only down side is your timer, and how long it takes to generate the ultimate.

OP you realise werewolves are WOLVES right?

Wolves are dangerous creatures because of what they are capable of.

The only tanky werewolf in any fiction so far was in underworld and it was an abomination concocted with scientific pseudo-science experiments...



You do damage in ww, selfheal and then go back to tank out of ww...

Let me start this out as saying I have been a werewolf for YEARS, and have put countless ours into werewolf form. While werewolf isn't perfect, a overhaul is not needed and you just need some education in werewolf play.

Rousing roar: adds major brutality to your werewolf and others around you for 20+ seconds, it also adds burst to your howl of agony, and allows you to burst through perma blockers. This is a strong combo and can make quick work of many opponents.

Fully leveled you gain roughly 10k spell resistance and armor, heavy armor can provide great synergy with werewolf when it comes to sustain.

A fully leveled feral pounce will add 4 seconds to your werewolf timer.

I've completed VMA no deaths in one transformation thats 40+ min in form. I've stayed in form in IC for hours straight farming tel var.

If you struggle too much with staying in form, just find a Pack of Werewolves to run with, I run one ever Wednesday in pvp.


Real issue in my opinion is the max dps they can obtain. Don't get me wrong the burst is in a good spot. But cut the bleed damage in 1/2 and duration in 1/2 and allow it to stack 10 times. This will allow for big dots to grow and light attacks to become lethal.

Stealth would be nice, reduced devour time + 15% regen buff for 1 min, diffeorent were skins, and tormentor set procing on pounce would all be welcome in my book.

Seriously if you need some help making werewolf work for you in game please message and add me in game @Chrlynsch

-Caius

Ww abilities need costs reduced and devour needs an overhaul. Beyond that i think WWs are fine. I play WW all the time pvp and pve(in normal dungeons and trials when people are okay with it) and the only issues i have are with devours weird targeting(if an ally is near you the synergy doesnt show sometimes) and that i run out of stamina alot, especially in pvp with no cp. The damage is decent the skills are everything one could need and duration can be easily controlled if you know what youre doing

Werewolves could use a taunt. Although when you think about it, chains and talons would be missed. On the other hand would be fun to tank single bosses as a werewolf. I love doing it on my tank but of course I can't keep the boss on me.

Werewolf really needs an overhaul. Hopefully some good change is made soon enough.

4 Werewolves in a group mean permanent transformation. Coordinate your efforts a bit and it can be really fun.

Once you get everything morphed I actually find the WW toolkit to be pretty good in Cryodiil. Be thoughtful with your builds and WW can be quite strong in it's current form.

To other Werwolves out there, how do you setup your Cp in the blue tree???? I play my ww in heavy armor in PvP since I get focused a lot and get some magica back for heals...

Werewolves have physical, bleed, and disease damage. For blue CP focus on Mighty(physical/disease damage boost) and Thaumaturge(increased damage for damage over time effects).