Will you subscribe for the double bank space?

NordSwordnBoard · April 2017

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Saraya wrote: »

Just the idea is quite mad and if anyone had told people about it before hand, they'd thought it was the most amazing thing since sliced bread as far as MMORPG games are concerned. Well that's what the board of directors thought when Steve and Dennis the two programmers who came up with the idea, sauntered and slinked into the meeting with an air of confidence yet still retaining their usual borderline Asperger's /anti-social mannerisms while giving their pitch. And it was then that some corporate monkey (well they said they were intelligent..) that had that light bulb go off and thought 'hey, let's lock it to the subscription system! We'll be rolling in it then!'

You want proof? Read the thread(s) so far (and more to come). The majority of answers are nothing more than 'I subbed for the crafting bag.'

Zenimax *****d up their own product, and then rejuvenated it in a heinous fashion, and people seem to be totally OK with it.

Are you are using Asberger's syndrome as an insult?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2017

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lnsane wrote: »

I like the idea of more bank space for ESO+ members, but honestly.. I haven't even maxed out my 'normal' bank upgrades yet. So it's nice, but not extremely useful (for me at least). I would have loved to see them add something that's a genuine extra, instead of an expansion on already available functionality. Feels a bit like a pay-gate..

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Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Saraya wrote: »

If any one ever had the opinion that Elder Scrolls Online is a pay to enjoy product, and Zenimax are milking people, they wouldn't have to use much evidence beyond the fact that the crafting bag is available to subscribers only. The realization that so many people willingly accept this as the 'norm' speaks volumes about modern MMOs.

I could understand if it was a free to play game with a subscription option, but it isn't - it's a buy to play game, which in order to get services that should be included in that original purchase, costs additional money.

And let's not get started about the paid DLCs...expansions ok, but DLC?

So it's not just about bank space. As one user said, that's icing on the cake - I presume though, nasty aftertaste synthetic sugar substitute taste, when you consider what you actually paid monthly for.

Actually, I was around when this game required a sub to play and got nothing in return except play time. During that time, subbed players didn't get a crafting bag or extra 10% bonuses to exp/inspration/gold. What I am paying for now is exactly what I meant - a bonus.

The monthly crowns ensure that if I were to unsub, I can still enjoy all of the game's content. All around, I see it as a great deal and $15/month is no big deal for hours of entertainment.

Entirely not relevant.

@Lexynide makes a good point. If this game(and modern ones like it) did not have so many damn items all over the place, and went with an attitude of 'less is more' [isn't that the whole appeal they are going for with only six {twelve} hot bar abilities?] then we wouldn't need hundreds and hundreds of storage space. Furthermore, it's non canonical as far as TES is concerned because of no weight limits. And finally, if they'd just designed the system better altogether, a "craft bag" wouldn't be necessary.

No, they made poor architectural decisions and rather than clean it up for everyone's benefit, they got their corporate bozos and lawyers in to find a way to spin the product's poor market position, into something more profitable at the expense of logic and ethics.
So they put together this ridiculous craft bag which effectively defies physics and logic simultaneously and for all intents and purposes is the greatest (and that doesn't mean good, it means ghastly obvious) feature ever offered in any MMORPG. A storage system that auto loots/sorts/distributes and provides access for an infinite amount of items that can be withdrawn or further manually deposited by any character on the same account at anytime and any location in the game world.

Just the idea is quite mad and if anyone had told people about it before hand, they'd thought it was the most amazing thing since sliced bread as far as MMORPG games are concerned. Well that's what the board of directors thought when Steve and Dennis the two programmers who came up with the idea, sauntered and slinked into the meeting with an air of confidence yet still retaining their usual borderline Asperger's /anti-social mannerisms while giving their pitch. And it was then that some corporate monkey (well they said they were intelligent..) that had that light bulb go off and thought 'hey, let's lock it to the subscription system! We'll be rolling in it then!'

You want proof? Read the thread(s) so far (and more to come). The majority of answers are nothing more than 'I subbed for the crafting bag.'

Zenimax *****d up their own product, and then rejuvenated it in a heinous fashion, and people seem to be totally OK with it.

My theory....
Ppl trying to save their jobs due to pressure from leadership or board members

I do think that the devs intent was prob QoL but others took it and made it money grab.

Notice ppl keep leaving and. New faces pop up like Wrobels team mate we met on ESO live. She's prob been there over a year or more

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

I already subscribe, and this is EXACTLY what the subscribers have been asking for in the ESO+ Ideas thread.

This isn't shady in any way.
There's no P2W involved in any way.

This is a welcome addition, that adds more value to the subscription I already pay. I am very much in favor of this addition to ESO+.

driosketch · April 2017

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I see this as less an incentive to sub and more a reason to remain subbed. I've gone a week without the craft bag, it's doable, you just become selective on what you keep. I would not go a day having to pull half the things out of my bank to use it again.

MNsnowtaTy · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

The extra bank space is just icing on the cake for me.

I see what you did there!

Zaldan · April 2017

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subbed to activate the craft bag and bank then had 4 items in it

Katahdin · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

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Saraya wrote: »

If any one ever had the opinion that Elder Scrolls Online is a pay to enjoy product, and Zenimax are milking people, they wouldn't have to use much evidence beyond the fact that the crafting bag is available to subscribers only. The realization that so many people willingly accept this as the 'norm' speaks volumes about modern MMOs.

I could understand if it was a free to play game with a subscription option, but it isn't - it's a buy to play game, which in order to get services that should be included in that original purchase, costs additional money.

And let's not get started about the paid DLCs...expansions ok, but DLC?

So it's not just about bank space. As one user said, that's icing on the cake - I presume though, nasty aftertaste synthetic sugar substitute taste, when you consider what you actually paid monthly for.

Actually, I was around when this game required a sub to play and got nothing in return except play time. During that time, subbed players didn't get a crafting bag or extra 10% bonuses to exp/inspration/gold. What I am paying for now is exactly what I meant - a bonus.

The monthly crowns ensure that if I were to unsub, I can still enjoy all of the game's content. All around, I see it as a great deal and $15/month is no big deal for hours of entertainment.

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Rickter · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

wow its good to see that subscriptions were hardly affected by the Buy to Play business model

Giraffon · April 2017

I am not a subscriber and I will NOT sub for double bank space

I subbed the first year and then stopped. The new content was not being released fast enough so I decided to pay as it was released. This has been a pretty good choice for me up until recently there was absolutely no trade off. I've saved hundreds of dollars as a result.

More recently they are putting on the pressure to subscribe again. The approach they are using....I don't like it.

Instead of rationing the subscribers and starving the rest of us, why not just give everyone enough bank slots and house furniture slots to enjoy the game and give the subscribers twice that? And then let the nonsubscribers buy up to sub levels via the crown store.

I'm willing to spend money on the game, but I'm not going to give my money away every month for something that I already paid for. When I purchased the game I had sufficient bank and bag space. When I purchased DLCs I was given additional mats to manage but no additional bag or bank space to support these new items. I paid for the DLC. It should have included additional storage as part of it. As far as I'm concerned, they owe me 30 bank slots for each DLC that I've purchased. So that's:

Thieves Guilds - 30
Dark Brotherhood - 30
Dungeon Pack - 30
Imperial City - 30
Orsinium - 30

So give me 150 more bank slots and pay off your debt to me Zenimax!

Elloa · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

I'm a suscriber since the first day. I only toke a break during hollidays. Any rewards in addition to the game and access to all content is a bonus for me.

JeremyStone · April 2017

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I cancelled it recently and will NOT resub just for double bank space.

Sigtric · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Except for a period of 2-3 weeks around a year ago, I've been a sub since PC launch. No plans for changing it. Added bank space is extra bonus.

Brutusmax1mus · April 2017

When is this happening?????

Violynne · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Already a subscriber, but if I were not, my answer would be "No". No offense to ZoS, but this wouldn't be an incentive to subscribe.

In all honesty, the craft bag wasn't an incentive, either.

I subbed because I enjoy the game and wish to continue supporting the team who continually delivers us new content, updates, and changes. While not perfect (no online game is), it's one of the best games in my library.

Free in-game items or limited items available to subscribers with 3+ months (to prevent sub and cancel) is my preferred incentive method, just as they offered beta players items no one else can get (including my much beloved senche tiger

).

I do appreciate ZoS continues to try different options, so I look forward to their next reward.

Tandor · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

I've always subbed and been very happy with the game since PC launch. This is a welcome addition although I doubt I'll ever make full use of it as the crafting bag did away with a fair chunk of my bank inventory. It's right that improvements are made to the game and that subscribers should get the benefit of them, but it's less justifiable for casual payers to benefit from everything too. They may argue that they pay more than the cost of the subscription but then so do most subscribers!

It was important for console players especially that there was an option to play the game without the originally-intended subscription but it makes good sense to give decent incentives to subscribe nonetheless, and people can make a simple choice based on their personal preferences and means. If it's worth it to you and you can afford it then subscribe, if it isn't worth it to you then don't subscribe and stick instead to the Crown Store, and if it's worth it to you but you can't afford it (or can afford it but prefer not to pay much for your gaming) then it's doubtful that subscription/B2P games are really suitable and F2P titles might be a better bet. The market is so big now that there are always options.

Tandor · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

When is this happening?????

June.

TheStealthDude · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

This definitely provides more incentive for me to keep subbing. Is it the sole factor in my decision? No. But it is another factor.

I don't subscribe out of the goodness of my heart. I expect to receive something for my payment, outside of just access to the game (I ignore the Tragedy of the Commons dilemma about what if we all stopped subbing). ZOS providing additional value for my subscription is a good thing, especially as I get closer to exhausting other bonuses like the +10% xp boost (won't need it soon).

MadLarkin · April 2017

I am not a subscriber and I will NOT sub for double bank space

No sub for me fam. The inventory nightmare for non-subs, and the gold costs needed to upgrade storage space, is a great detriment to the fun-factor of ESO. Games are supposed to be fun. Anything that detracts from that by design and needs to be alleviated by spending money is an insult to the customers. Storage space is an artificial, easily fixed problem created by ZOS. As it is par for the course lately, they unsurprisingly want us to spend more money to address the game's shortcomings. And for some reason, people are welcoming it as a "benefit." A subscriber bonus should not be tied to core gameplay mechanics or anything that affects fun-factor in such a clear-cut manner.

Kodrac · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

They had me at Craft Bag.

mbaranski15 · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

I'm a new player, bought the game about 6 weeks ago and subbed maybe 5-1/2 weeks ago. Being a new player, having the craft bag and access to DLCs was enough to get me to sub.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

MadLarkin wrote: »

No sub for me fam. The inventory nightmare for non-subs, and the gold costs needed to upgrade storage space, is a great detriment to the fun-factor of ESO. Games are supposed to be fun. Anything that detracts from that by design and needs to be alleviated by spending money is an insult to the customers. Storage space is an artificial, easily fixed problem created by ZOS. As it is par for the course lately, they unsurprisingly want us to spend more money to address the game's shortcomings. And for some reason, people are welcoming it as a "benefit." A subscriber bonus should not be tied to core gameplay mechanics or anything that affects fun-factor in such a clear-cut manner.

Then quit playing MMO's.

Any and every MMORPG on the market that offers a subscription service, gives their subscribers perks and benefits that the non-subscribers don't get to enjoy.

The only MMORPG's that DON'T do this: are MMORPG's that require a subscription from every player.

And this is how it's always been in the MMORPG genre. It's not new. It's not shady. It's not a shameless money grab.

MMORPG's used to be entirely subscription based. You had to pay every month to play anything at all. But everr since the first MMO to do so gave a B2P or F2P option, they have all given extra Perks to those players whom subscribed as a way of saying "thank you" for the additional, regular revenue.

Anyone who doesn't realize this is either 1) new to MMO's or 2) keeping themselves willfully ignorant/blind for the 20+ years MMORPG's have been in existence.

Runs · April 2017

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I was a subscriber and will not subscribe ever again while crown crates exist.

Seriously they have no need for my money over and above the DLCs/Expansions/Crown items I already buy since they have those crates. There is nothing they can add that will make me sub while those are available. If something does come up that is so must have then it likely will have crossed my personal P2W threshold and I will just quit.

FlyLionel · April 2017

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I buy the content with crowns (when IC was on crown sale I picked it up for the first time for example). I only sub ocassionally, craft bag is still amazing...but I recently maxed my bank space entirely and can manage everything all while having every stam/magic class. This double bank space is a nice addition no doubt. But my question to every subscriber is, with Morrowind around the corner and not being able to get it; is this a good enough addition? More bank space?...Or are you consent with renting all the older dlc's and having your craft bag? I expected something really nice for subs; since majority of them will probably buy Morrowind all while continuing to sub. But yeah more loot to hoard.

Nelson_Rebel · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Subbed already because I love this game and want to support it to succeed.

I haven't been liking the last few directions the game has been taking with crown crates, crown exclusives, and nothing new added for players to obtain ingame with gold like different mounts or costumes. They don't have to be as nice as crown store but at least give options to those players. It's just kinda cruel to give them nothing if they don't have the income.

The crown crates was a shady idea because I have income to spend and would LIKE to spend it but I now spend less because I just want to get specific things. So now I hardly touch the store anymore because I'm not a total tool moron to waste my hard earned cash on a gamble lol

ZoS would have gained at least another $200 from me if I had the option to get what I like. Now it's just my sub and an occasional mount

menedhyn · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Whether I will need to use the double bank space remains to be seen. I'm managing perfectly well with 80 bank slots and most characters with 70 item slots, but that's down to the way I play I guess.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

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Saraya wrote: »

Entirely not relevant.

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My reason for having a sub (in a thread about if/why you would sub for additional bank space) is entirely irrelevant, while you write a rambling book about 'why' the devs are implementing additional ESO+ rewards...Got it.
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Saraya wrote: »

You want proof? Read the thread(s) so far (and more to come). The majority of answers are nothing more than 'I subbed for the crafting bag.'

BREAKING NEWS: Poll finds people subscribe to a game to enjoy quality of life changes.

Here is the thing...I agree that the subscription model is a dying breed. I don't 'like' paying a subscription just for game time. However, I feel the way ZOS implemented their sub model is great because the quality of life changes are very nice to have and don't feel like pay2win.

If you don't like it? Great, stay unsubbed, but complaining about perks that the subscribers get is just asinine.

While Im all for the nice perks of ESO+. I do feel ZOS should be careful how they go about this. SWTOR did something similar with their F2P transition. Where Subs were able to access more and more content while F2Pers were basically given a small taste of things like Flashpoints (SWTOR versions of Dungeons) and essentially restricted across the board. It was basically cheaper to be a subscriber than a F2Per in that game.

SWTORs treatment of their F2Pers was one of the biggest complaints I heard about the game aside from lack of content. The last thing ZOS needs to do is completely alienate their B2Per playerbase. Even if subs is at the heart of what they originally wanted for the game. They are no longer a sub only game and what brings a lot of players back to the game is the freedom to do so without a sub. ZOS needs to find a sweetspot where theyre able to entice players into purchasing subs while still giving B2Pers a reason to stick around and possibly open their wallets.

Mhylton44142 · April 2017

I subbed for a while when the game came out, but because I don't live in the game, I was feeling internal pressure to play the game and get my $ worth, just like with SWTOR. I don't sub anymore. Between Microsoft, and Zenimax, they already got a good amount of my hard-earned $. If the game was free to play, then yes, I'd see the benefit of subbing, but you know what, I paid $65 when it came out on the PS4-the same price as any other game at that time, and $20 for XB-1 just a few weeks ago when I switched consoles. And the other thing is that now that I play online I have to pay $50/year to have access to the game, plus another $180/yr for a few minor benefits? As a single income family, I feel it's to much to ask for a GAME. I love gaming, but for me, it's a hobby, something I don't want to take super seriously.

EleonoraCrendraven · April 2017

I am not a subscriber and I will NOT sub for double bank space

I buy the DLCs and that's it. No need to sub because of bank or inventory space, since there is more than enough of it. You just need more than one or two characters.

amasuriel · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

I was happy to subscribe before it went buy to play, when the sub was just required and had no benefit. The craft bag and crowns keep me subscribed anyway, but the bank space will be a huge reduction in time spent on inventory management and is awesome.

The price is so cheap for the number of hours I spend in game...not many other places I can spend $20 Canadian and get 80+ hours of entertainment. That's 25 cents per hour for those playing along at home. When you add the free crowns, some of which I would buy anyway for stuff like DLCs, it's insanely good value.

alsuran · April 2017

I am already an ESO Plus Subscriber

I'm already subscribed and I intend to remain so in the future. The crafting bag is the biggest thing that keeps me subscribed, I couldn't go back to playing this game without it, I would soon quit if I didn't have it.

If the double bank space is the only extra thing they intend to offer subscribers, I'm actually a little bit disapointed since I was waiting for an announcement since they asked players what they would want in ESO Plus. I don't need that extra space thanks to the crafting bag. I would've prefered they added some loyalty rewards every 3 months, things like mounts, costumes, even crates. Still, it's better than not getting anything extra, I guess.