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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I don't understand how some people thought this type of coordinated keep flipping was OK.
Was it OK when AP was at normal levels? Why would it be OK when AP is at 2X levels?
Did you truly think that no-risk high gain AP rewards, or just hanging around an outpost soaking up massive AP ticks while others flip flags back and forth without trying to eliminate each other was an intended game design?
I think you have to feign ignorance pretty hard to convince people you were unaware that this was exploiting. I personally just don't believe anyone when they say they thought this was OK to do.
Why did people do coordinated keep flipping ?
1/ For XP
2/ For currency
3/ For ranks/titles/skill points
Is coordinated keep flipping the intended game design ? No.
Is coordinated keep flipping abusive ? Yes, according to ZOS.
Why do people grind goblins in Cracked Wood Cave ?
1/ For XP
2/ For gold
3/ For levels and skill points
Is grinding goblins in Cracked Wood Cave the intended game design ? No.
Is grinding goblins in Cracked Wood Cave abusive ? No, according to everyone.
I hope this parallel makes you understand why many players (including me) genuinely thought it was OK.
Furthermore, don't forget that it was a purely temporary, circumstancial thing related to the double AP event that only lasted a week. Not some flaw deeply rooted into the game's design.
And also : we asked. ZOS said nothing. Silence gives consent.
What I don't understand is why people get mad about other people having obtained Grand Overlord this way. I don't get upset about people obtaining 1000+ champion points or millions of gold in Cracked Wood Cave or any other grind spot.
Why would grinding goblins in CWC not be intended gameplay? It's killing mobs which is intended gameplay. Unless the mobs are bugged and are giving out more experience than every other mob in the game I disagree with your conclusion.
Oh and "silence gives consent" is one of the most ridiculous justifications I have ever heard. Do I need to show real world examples where that kind of justification would lead to?4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why would grinding goblins in CWC not be intended gameplay? It's killing mobs which is intended gameplay. Unless the mobs are bugged and are giving out more experience than every other mob in the game I disagree with your conclusion.
Oh and "silence gives consent" is one of the most ridiculous justifications I have ever heard. Do I need to show real world examples where that kind of justification would lead to?
Why would keep flipping not be intended gameplay ? It's flipping keeps which is intended gameplay. The keeps weren't "bugged" nor giving more XP than intended.
And yes, in the specific context of a communication between the law-maker and the citizen, if the citizen asks a question and the law-maker/administration doesn't answer, silence gives consent. That's the law here in EU.
In many contexts one can consider that the answer is "no" unless it's expressedly a "yes", but not this one.
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olivesforge✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Why would grinding goblins in CWC not be intended gameplay? It's killing mobs which is intended gameplay. Unless the mobs are bugged and are giving out more experience than every other mob in the game I disagree with your conclusion.
Oh and "silence gives consent" is one of the most ridiculous justifications I have ever heard. Do I need to show real world examples where that kind of justification would lead to?
Why would keep flipping not be intended gameplay ? It's flipping keeps which is intended gameplay. The keeps weren't "bugged" nor giving more XP than intended.
And yes, in the specific context of a communication between the law-maker and the citizen, if the citizen asks a question and the law-maker/administration doesn't answer, silence gives consent. That's the law here in EU.
In many contexts one can consider that the answer is "no" unless it's expressedly a "yes", but not this one.
Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.PCNA | Aldmeri Dominion
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✭✭AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »I didn't farm any AP myself at all BUT to know what was going on (no one was hiding the fact it was going on) and say nothing about it makes ZoS kinda complicit in all of this TBH. It should have never gotten this far.... period. ZoS must have had devs in game watching all this, even if to just to see how things were progressing during that week, then for them to do nothing at all about it is kind of pathetic. It also kinda sucks that a month later the ban hammer comes out and smites a load of people for actions that were never condemned in the first place.
Some balls were needed to be grown during the week that it happened and some proper leadership shown, but again ZoS were slow to fix things when they were needed to be fixed. Thats nothing new.
Well, as far as I'm able to tell, this isn't something that was exclusive to the X2 AP week, the ones that were now banned I believe have been doing it up until the ban.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Why would grinding goblins in CWC not be intended gameplay? It's killing mobs which is intended gameplay. Unless the mobs are bugged and are giving out more experience than every other mob in the game I disagree with your conclusion.
Oh and "silence gives consent" is one of the most ridiculous justifications I have ever heard. Do I need to show real world examples where that kind of justification would lead to?
Why would keep flipping not be intended gameplay ? It's flipping keeps which is intended gameplay. The keeps weren't "bugged" nor giving more XP than intended.
And yes, in the specific context of a communication between the law-maker and the citizen, if the citizen asks a question and the law-maker/administration doesn't answer, silence gives consent. That's the law here in EU.
In many contexts one can consider that the answer is "no" unless it's expressedly a "yes", but not this one.
It's not keep flipping, it's COORDINATED keep flipping.
So just say it right now, yes or no, did you think that coordinating with the opposing faction to flip outposts over and over without fighting for it was intended?
Are you also saying that you contacted customer service formally and asked if this type of behavior was OK? Or are you just trying to use the forums as a way to try to seem you "officially" contacted them, ie, "Well, there was a thread"?
Also, can you link me to any website that explicitly states that "Silence means consent" in EU law? I can find plenty of definitions but the only thing pertaining to actual law was for Britain which explicitly stated that "silence means consent" is NOT generally accepted in British law.
Oh and by the way, if I stop responding to you, you may NOT assume my silence is my agreement with you, lol.3 -
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✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Why would grinding goblins in CWC not be intended gameplay? It's killing mobs which is intended gameplay. Unless the mobs are bugged and are giving out more experience than every other mob in the game I disagree with your conclusion.
Oh and "silence gives consent" is one of the most ridiculous justifications I have ever heard. Do I need to show real world examples where that kind of justification would lead to?
Why would keep flipping not be intended gameplay ? It's flipping keeps which is intended gameplay. The keeps weren't "bugged" nor giving more XP than intended.
And yes, in the specific context of a communication between the law-maker and the citizen, if the citizen asks a question and the law-maker/administration doesn't answer, silence gives consent. That's the law here in EU.
In many contexts one can consider that the answer is "no" unless it's expressedly a "yes", but not this one.
Comparing a game to EU is like throwing questions of morality to ducks. The very big difference here is that this game isn´t run by bureaucratics in Europe but, surprisingly, the game is run by a company who dictates the rules. if you don´t abind to their decisions go play another game. Simple as that.A is for Atronach.
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✭✭✭✭✭olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
As to your example, we have a law that clearly states that we cannot kill other people. There's no exception to this except in military context or justified self-defense. If Gertrude is an old person already suffering from incurable disease, you may ask for an exception.
On the other hand, ZOS never stated anywhere clearly that keep flipping in coordination with other faction was against the ToS. Faction coordination happens all the time between all factions (usually against the third faction). So we're in a grey-ish area and ZOS SHOULD HAVE answered. In the absence of general frame, silence is consent.
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DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭The fact that people can openly admit that they exploited on the forums, and then even defend this behaviour as "intended gameplay", shows that next time we need 1700 bans instead of just 170.5 -
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✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
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Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
As to your example, we have a law that clearly states that we cannot kill other people. There's no exception to this except in military context or justified self-defense. If Gertrude is an old person already suffering from incurable disease, you may ask for an exception.
On the other hand, ZOS never stated anywhere clearly that keep flipping in coordination with other faction was against the ToS. Faction coordination happens all the time between all factions (usually against the third faction). So we're in a grey-ish area and ZOS SHOULD HAVE answered. In the absence of general frame, silence is consent.
ZOS answered. Boosters were banned. The ToS is clear when it comes to exploiting, and AP boosting was clearly an exploit.Edited by Ron_Burgundy_79 on April 4, 2017 4:02PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
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Are you for real?
Care to elaborate ?
You really think the game was designed for us to run around in circles in heavily populated mob areas with quick respawn rates, in order to level up in a week ?
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Kyoma✭✭✭Ok, I'm gonna mingle in this fun debate: When ZOS decided to ban people NOW after being silent while it happened it doesn't mean we should have known THEY found it an exploit or against ToS AT THAT TIME.
You cant enforce rules that weren't explicitly stated, and there were many occasions where ZOS could (and should) have stated they considered this an exploit or abusing or against ToS.Edited by Kyoma on April 4, 2017 4:41PMWill I be able to forget all the wounds that pierce my flesh?
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✭Why is this still a thing can someone close this thread please. Nobody cares so people were smart with there ap gains almost every Grand Overlord has abused or exploited op skills, sets, or broken mechanics and even TOS violations to get there ap so what does it matter if people are flipping a keep back and forth isn't that the point of Cyrodill PvP is to fight over keeps and stuff so I don't see a problem.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
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Takuto✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
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Are you for real?
Care to elaborate ?
You really think the game was designed for us to run around in circles in heavily populated mob areas with quick respawn rates, in order to level up in a week ?
Yes, that is the design, it is MMO meta, the first generation MMORPGs had leveling by grinding not by quests so it is implicitly expected by anyone who knows anything about MMORPGs.
Your comparison is apples or oranges at any rate. Equally absurd, you seem to believe that leveling to 50 in a week requires grinding or perhaps that grinding somehow puts a player at an advantage..? I hit 50 in 6 days on my most recent alt this past week by PvPing in an organized group.
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✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
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Are you for real?
Care to elaborate ?
You really think the game was designed for us to run around in circles in heavily populated mob areas with quick respawn rates, in order to level up in a week ?
Are you actually for real?
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Chair✭✭✭Ok, I'm gonna mingle in this fun debate: When ZOS decided to ban people NOW after being silent while it happened it doesn't mean we should have known THEY found it an exploit or against ToS AT THAT TIME.
You cant enforce rules that weren't explicitly stated, and there were many occasions where ZOS could (and should) have stated they considered this an exploit or abusing or against ToS.
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✭(Disclaimer: I was not involved in any keep flipping at any time - In case people think "oh hes whining he must be a flipper").
I have one problem with all of this and its NA.
I refuse to believe that every other part of the community was involved but not PC NA enough to the extent where there shouldn't be bans.
If you're going to ban people across the board for keep flipping at least ban those involved on all platforms/servers. The highest offending PC NA players of course if you still want to tow the whole position you have.
It does not matter if there are less on NA than EU on PC - You're sending the wrong message by not banning ANYONE on PC NA for it. Sure PC NA keep flippers will be a bit more cautious now but it will never stop exploiters unless you ban them. More and more come, sure but you can still ban the ones doing it.
Its only a band-aid though, the problem is far more difficult to fix than with a simple blanket ban. Oh sorry. A 75% blanket ban.
Otherwise; Good job overall.Edited by xeNNNNN on April 4, 2017 6:15PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this
As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.
Pfft, that was like getting punched in the face for murdering someone irl. You should have reset their rank and done and done.
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
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Are you for real?
Care to elaborate ?
You really think the game was designed for us to run around in circles in heavily populated mob areas with quick respawn rates, in order to level up in a week ?
Since elderscrolls is all about freedom of choice - yeah.
Just like you´d level up agility by jumping like a bunny or blacksmithing by forging 10000000 daggers in previous elderscrolls games.<Noricum>
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✭✭Why is this still a thing can someone close this thread please. Nobody cares so people were smart with there ap gains almost every Grand Overlord has abused or exploited op skills, sets, or broken mechanics and even TOS violations to get there ap so what does it matter if people are flipping a keep back and forth isn't that the point of Cyrodill PvP is to fight over keeps and stuff so I don't see a problem.
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“Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt- Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
- Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
- Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
- Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
- Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
- Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
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- Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
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- Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »Keep flipping in coordination with other alliances to avoid fighting is most definitely not intended.
And you're totally wrong on the law. If you are in the EU, and send a letter to Donald Tusk asking if you can kill Gertrude, it doesn't mean you can kill her if DOnald doesn't get back to you.
Grinding mobs for XP definitely isn't intended either, but it happens and is tolerated.
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Are you for real?
Care to elaborate ?
You really think the game was designed for us to run around in circles in heavily populated mob areas with quick respawn rates, in order to level up in a week ?
Yes. Because that has been the standard way to grind up new characters in MMOs for a long time now. It's why mobs in certain areas have such fast respawn rates as compared to other areas. Surely you know this.Edited by The_Lex on April 4, 2017 7:33PM3 -
GloryClass Representative(Disclaimer: I was not involved in any keep flipping at any time - In case people think "oh hes whining he must be a flipper").
I have one problem with all of this and its NA.
I refuse to believe that every other part of the community was involved but not PC NA enough to the extent where there shouldn't be bans.
If you're going to ban people across the board for keep flipping at least ban those involved on all platforms/servers. The highest offending PC NA players of course if you still want to tow the whole position you have.
It does not matter if there are less on NA than EU on PC - You're sending the wrong message by not banning ANYONE on PC NA for it. Sure PC NA keep flippers will be a bit more cautious now but it will never stop exploiters unless you ban them. More and more come, sure but you can still ban the ones doing it.
Its only a band-aid though, the problem is far more difficult to fix than with a simple blanket ban. Oh sorry. A 75% blanket ban.
Otherwise; Good job overall.
Most likely ZOS took notes of any and all suspiciously high gains, then investigated the individual account actions during that time frame. Then, they likely established a threshold of "how bad is too bad," and handed down judgement on those above that threshold. It looks like this number was actually fairly lenient from what others in this thread are saying, so only egregious offenders were punished.
Anecdotally, there was barely any resource flipping of any serious quantity on NA, and I don't think I once heard of any outpost flipping. Compare this to the videos of the disgusting amount of people on EU server, and its not too surprising to see the distribution of bans.mDK will rise again.
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✭Why is this still a thing can someone close this thread please. Nobody cares so people were smart with there ap gains almost every Grand Overlord has abused or exploited op skills, sets, or broken mechanics and even TOS violations to get there ap so what does it matter if people are flipping a keep back and forth isn't that the point of Cyrodill PvP is to fight over keeps and stuff so I don't see a problem.
Heeeey i've got a squeeky clean record
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✭(Disclaimer: I was not involved in any keep flipping at any time - In case people think "oh hes whining he must be a flipper").
I have one problem with all of this and its NA.
I refuse to believe that every other part of the community was involved but not PC NA enough to the extent where there shouldn't be bans.
If you're going to ban people across the board for keep flipping at least ban those involved on all platforms/servers. The highest offending PC NA players of course if you still want to tow the whole position you have.
It does not matter if there are less on NA than EU on PC - You're sending the wrong message by not banning ANYONE on PC NA for it. Sure PC NA keep flippers will be a bit more cautious now but it will never stop exploiters unless you ban them. More and more come, sure but you can still ban the ones doing it.
Its only a band-aid though, the problem is far more difficult to fix than with a simple blanket ban. Oh sorry. A 75% blanket ban.
Otherwise; Good job overall.
Most likely ZOS took notes of any and all suspiciously high gains, then investigated the individual account actions during that time frame. Then, they likely established a threshold of "how bad is too bad," and handed down judgement on those above that threshold. It looks like this number was actually fairly lenient from what others in this thread are saying, so only egregious offenders were punished.
Anecdotally, there was barely any resource flipping of any serious quantity on NA, and I don't think I once heard of any outpost flipping. Compare this to the videos of the disgusting amount of people on EU server, and its not too surprising to see the distribution of bans.
Thats fair but just because its "not as bad" isnt a good reason to not ban someone for exploiting. Ive never supported that position and never will.
Its almost like saying "cheating/exploiting is okay so long as its not like this <insert linear conclusion here>" which is just stupid imo.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.2 -
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✭✭Stop this damn discussion about: " there is no specific part in the ToS that says it is an exploit so I can't be punished for it."
Just think about this true example here:
The term genocide wasn't a particular mentioned term in law until 1948. In 1904 Germany performed a genocide in the former colony Germany South West and still refuses to pay compensations to the descendants because it wasn't a crime back then.
Imo the 3 day ban is fine but please add that any object they get in the game is converted to training
so they maybe get more experience to differ what is okay and what is an exploit. Everyone that has an IQ above potatoe can decide it 100% correctly
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Stop .. Just stop . Don't blame the players that are happy to see ZoS finally making a move in the right direction to stop exploiting . I have never participated in any exploits and neither has a lot of people . Grow up . If you honestly thought giving keeps or outposts to one another was intended game play you are a special kind of ignorant . It's a PVP ZONE .
ZoS has made several posts that even if somethings feel like cheating , don't do it . If you are unsure , don't do it . These gamers are not 7 year old kids that need parental guidance to follow the rules of the game and be told "you kids be good" every day . Take some responsibility for your actions and don't pass the blame . No one likes a fink after they get busted .
Who cares if it's only 3 days . Who cares if they don't strip the account fully down . That is ZOSs decision to make , not players . The good news is at least the rules are being enforced and exploiting gains is being dealt with . But don't point the finger at the community for their happiness the rules mean something . You mess around , you get caught and that's all on you and no one else .
Its not okay. They are being selective. One of the popular EU streamers named like a weeks worth of streams doing it. Got nothing.3 -
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Just gnna leave that here...Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.
I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .
Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst.
There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.
On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.
Wow , that sounds grand . I wish I could transfer a toon EU . I have to temporarily ignore a lot of zone chat while people fight it out with each other . Then I have to un ignore on Mondays because some our nice people to me but rant on weekends and I can't read Cyrodiil related news in the zone feed . Some get mad when they find out I put them on ignore so I could read the fights . They don't know it's just temporary . So it's an exercise in politeness all the time explaining myself . If people would fight via PM it would make my PVP time so much easier but .. Some like an audience . That would be so weird not seeing so many arguments . I would enjoy it .
I've never been on EU, this is just what I hear from @Derra
Edited by Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO on April 5, 2017 9:05AM@Solar_Breeze
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✭Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
Just gnna leave that hereRohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.
I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .
Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst.
There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.
On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.
Wow , that sounds grand . I wish I could transfer a toon EU . I have to temporarily ignore a lot of zone chat while people fight it out with each other . Then I have to un ignore on Mondays because some our nice people to me but rant on weekends and I can't read Cyrodiil related news in the zone feed . Some get mad when they find out I put them on ignore so I could read the fights . They don't know it's just temporary . So it's an exercise in politeness all the time explaining myself . If people would fight via PM it would make my PVP time so much easier but .. Some like an audience . That would be so weird not seeing so many arguments . I would enjoy it .
I've never been on EU, this is just what I hear from @Derra
He has a dark Site too. I saw Derra tbagging someone!2 -
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edit: i learned my lesson not to do stuff on gray area again.
I may seem happy about it, but its only due to the fact that AP Police got banned aswell.Edited by L2Pissue on April 5, 2017 12:49AM1 -
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✭✭Yes! I am so glad the cheaters got banned! Thank you! I am on holiday this week, so haven't been able to log on, but I do hope I wasn't banned... I was in Haderus with some friends pestering the exploiters, but they were all reds and blues, so I didn't get any AP for it, so hopefully I will be safe
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