PvE Templar tanking

SJD_Phoenix · March 2017

Hey guys,

So I've got a high elf Templar that isn't being used at the moment. Tried healing and dd'ing with her and found both really boring so considering trying tanking for vet pve content (not trials)

Any tips as far as sets worth looking at, must have abilities and must have CP placements (not looking for a cookie cutter build just pointing in the right direction)

Ty guys appreciate the help in advance

idk · March 2017

Ebon and Alkosh are two great standards for raid tanking. lol d suggest farming ebon for all slots except head and shoulder.

Bloodspawn monster set is the go to for tanks with Warden be It a second.

There are other sets but that would get you started.

Spacemonkey · March 2017

I find the 2 templar AoE buffs to be a must, rune and the purge one. You can keep hasty prayer on a back bar in case of an emergency but those two should be enough. Thats the only temp skills you need. I advocate against BoL, costs too much. That being said, I'm stam so i mitigate the dmg a lot more than heal through it.

As far as sets; I'm doing without any tank-specific one atm, need 2 more days for the last traits to get armor master. I plan using it with indomnitable. The CC immunity from it is pretty awesome in PvE - might not be the best though, and havent tested it yet. Its more about the monster sets I think, theres a bunch that couldl be good/interesting; Blood Spawn is prbly going to be the general consensus;

Also:
Engine Guardian for resources
Mighty Chudan if you dont like rng effects. Its just pure stats, but the boost is good. Adds like a permanent 6.5k phys and spell resistance. If you dont have heavy for some reason...
TremorScale for some offense if you are stam (the stam boost is nice 967 stam) + slows the enemy. it activates on taunt 50%.
Lord Warden has potential in that it boost others too. But i wouldnt advise this one

CasNation · March 2017

I have a vet dungeons focused templar heal-tank build on Tamriel Foundry if you want to check it out. I really enjoy it.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/db-the-resplendent-bastion-a-templar-healtank-build/

paulsimonps · March 2017

You are wanting to tank Veteran Dungeons, so any tips you get about raid tanking you can ignore. You are a templar. I would suggest doing either a Blazeplar tank set up that taunts all the enemies and when surrounded deals damage through his high health with blazing shield. That or a healing tank that utilitzes the AoE heals and buffs that templars have while at the same time taunting larger mobs. You don't have to worry about Ebon as much in Dungeons, most a really easy, and Alkosh isn't BiS for dungeons cause you usually don't get enough synergies. If you want to give out more buffs then try Powerful assault instead using vigor or caltrops to give out the buff. Since you are not a DK with Chains I would recommend that you use Swarm mother and then range taunt all the ranged enemies like archers and mages. It will pull them all to you making it easier for your team to kill them. Just a few tips and stuff but there is obviously more to it. Depends on how you want to build him, what play style you like.

Kneighbors · March 2017

Templar tanking is different from banal DK tanking. You have to go for resources, so i find Black Rose and Desert Rose sets the best for templar tank.
Don't try to make vet trials build. You can perform as off tank in trials much better than DK off tank. But you can't become a rock like DK tank to tank a vet trial boss. That's why Ebon is not for you.

failkiwib16_ESO · March 2017

@Kneighbors I mainly agree with you, but Ebon is not bad for group dungeons though.. it's easier to farm than Alkosh, and you can put on crafted gear to fill in the rest.

paulsimonps · March 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

Templar tanking is different from banal DK tanking. You have to go for resources, so i find Black Rose and Desert Rose sets the best for templar tank.
Don't try to make vet trials build. You can perform as off tank in trials much better than DK off tank. But you can't become a rock like DK tank to tank a vet trial boss. That's why Ebon is not for you.

He specifically said he did NOT want to do Trials with his Templar......

idk · March 2017

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I find the 2 templar AoE buffs to be a must, rune and the purge one. You can keep hasty prayer on a back bar in case of an emergency but those two should be enough. Thats the only temp skills you need. I advocate against BoL, costs too much. That being said, I'm stam so i mitigate the dmg a lot more than heal through it.

As far as sets; I'm doing without any tank-specific one atm, need 2 more days for the last traits to get armor master. I plan using it with indomnitable. The CC immunity from it is pretty awesome in PvE - might not be the best though, and havent tested it yet. Its more about the monster sets I think, theres a bunch that couldl be good/interesting; Blood Spawn is prbly going to be the general consensus;

Also:
Engine Guardian for resources
Mighty Chudan if you dont like rng effects. Its just pure stats, but the boost is good. Adds like a permanent 6.5k phys and spell resistance. If you dont have heavy for some reason...
TremorScale for some offense if you are stam (the stam boost is nice 967 stam) + slows the enemy. it activates on taunt 50%.
Lord Warden has potential in that it boost others too. But i wouldnt advise this one

@Spacemonkey

Forget about armor master. The extra health isn't really needed the buff it provides is identical to the rune you said you will be using so 3 skill slots to get one armor buff. Waste of space. Also, forget hasty prayer. Your stam and that's magika.

Restoring focus. Only class that gets minor protection from a class skill plus armor buff and extra healing received and given

Vigor. Echoing vigor is you find need to help the group. Stam heal and instant.

Radiant ward or Blazing shield. Basically need an Adriatic skill on his ty bars for a while he damage reduction.

Puncture on main bar and undaunted range taunt on back bar.

Heroic slash main bar

Absorb magika both bars.

Ultimate Agressive WH both bars or back bar Replenishinh barrier.

That's 9 skills and intimated. One skill slot as flex. It's a solid skill setup that'll work in trials.

If you want a cleans in bar then ritual of retribution since it also does damage.

Edit: refer my first post for gear suggestion.

paulsimonps · March 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I find the 2 templar AoE buffs to be a must, rune and the purge one. You can keep hasty prayer on a back bar in case of an emergency but those two should be enough. Thats the only temp skills you need. I advocate against BoL, costs too much. That being said, I'm stam so i mitigate the dmg a lot more than heal through it.

As far as sets; I'm doing without any tank-specific one atm, need 2 more days for the last traits to get armor master. I plan using it with indomnitable. The CC immunity from it is pretty awesome in PvE - might not be the best though, and havent tested it yet. Its more about the monster sets I think, theres a bunch that couldl be good/interesting; Blood Spawn is prbly going to be the general consensus;

Also:
Engine Guardian for resources
Mighty Chudan if you dont like rng effects. Its just pure stats, but the boost is good. Adds like a permanent 6.5k phys and spell resistance. If you dont have heavy for some reason...
TremorScale for some offense if you are stam (the stam boost is nice 967 stam) + slows the enemy. it activates on taunt 50%.
Lord Warden has potential in that it boost others too. But i wouldnt advise this one

@Spacemonkey

Forget about armor master. The extra health isn't really needed the buff it provides is identical to the rune you said you will be using so 3 skill slots to get one armor buff. Waste of space. Also, forget hasty prayer. Your stam and that's magika.

Restoring focus. Only class that gets minor protection from a class skill plus armor buff and extra healing received and given

Vigor. Echoing vigor is you find need to help the group. Stam heal and instant.

Radiant ward or Blazing shield. Basically need an Adriatic skill on his ty bars for a while he damage reduction.

Puncture on main bar and undaunted range taunt on back bar.

Heroic slash main bar

Absorb magika both bars.

Ultimate Agressive WH both bars or back bar Replenishinh barrier.

That's 9 skills and intimated. One skill slot as flex. It's a solid skill setup that'll work in trials.

If you want a cleans in bar then ritual of retribution since it also does damage.

Edit: refer my first post for gear suggestion.

Yea has to put agree here, Armor Master is not useful, the extra health is not needed and the 5k extra resistance is not needed. Resistance is overrated to stack. Give everyone some numbers. Just your armor is 14897 when full 7 gold heavy, that also gives you 2536 in the heavy armor passive Resolve. You also get 3010 from a gold shield if you have the Shield expert CP passive and Major resolve is another 5280. If you put that together you get 25723 resistance which equals to 38.85% more than enough. If you add Minor resolve from say combat prayer you get 40.85% mitigation. Using Armor master over anything else will give you just 700 shy of the hard cap. But you will lose a lot more in terms of group support. You could have used Alkosh or powerful assault, or even Imperium or lunar bastion. Any set that gives something to your group will be better than armor master. And if you want to know why that extra 5k from armor master won't add that much in reality. And if you want to know why then check my thread about damage mitigation, its in my signature.

Also in response to the highlighted part: It will be great with next update where Wardens will also get Minor Protection from the classes Major Ward/Resolve ability. And really cool that they give the Major buffs to 5 other group members as well.

Tinus_92 · March 2017

Both stam and mag tanks do work for vet dungeons. Did a lot of tanking on my magicka templar DD before while doing heals and support as well. Not recommended in SotH vet dungeons though.

Spacemonkey · March 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I find the 2 templar AoE buffs to be a must, rune and the purge one. You can keep hasty prayer on a back bar in case of an emergency but those two should be enough. Thats the only temp skills you need. I advocate against BoL, costs too much. That being said, I'm stam so i mitigate the dmg a lot more than heal through it.

As far as sets; I'm doing without any tank-specific one atm, need 2 more days for the last traits to get armor master. I plan using it with indomnitable. The CC immunity from it is pretty awesome in PvE - might not be the best though, and havent tested it yet. Its more about the monster sets I think, theres a bunch that couldl be good/interesting; Blood Spawn is prbly going to be the general consensus;

Also:
Engine Guardian for resources
Mighty Chudan if you dont like rng effects. Its just pure stats, but the boost is good. Adds like a permanent 6.5k phys and spell resistance. If you dont have heavy for some reason...
TremorScale for some offense if you are stam (the stam boost is nice 967 stam) + slows the enemy. it activates on taunt 50%.
Lord Warden has potential in that it boost others too. But i wouldnt advise this one

@Spacemonkey

Forget about armor master. The extra health isn't really needed the buff it provides is identical to the rune you said you will be using so 3 skill slots to get one armor buff. Waste of space. Also, forget hasty prayer. Your stam and that's magika.

Restoring focus. Only class that gets minor protection from a class skill plus armor buff and extra healing received and given

Vigor. Echoing vigor is you find need to help the group. Stam heal and instant.

Radiant ward or Blazing shield. Basically need an Adriatic skill on his ty bars for a while he damage reduction.

Puncture on main bar and undaunted range taunt on back bar.

Heroic slash main bar

Absorb magika both bars.

Ultimate Agressive WH both bars or back bar Replenishinh barrier.

That's 9 skills and intimated. One skill slot as flex. It's a solid skill setup that'll work in trials.

If you want a cleans in bar then ritual of retribution since it also does damage.

Edit: refer my first post for gear suggestion.

Whoa, whoa, lol I did say i didnt test Armor master yet :P But thanks for the input. I dont agree with Hasty prayer. With enchants and all, the heal is still crazy, even if I'm stam, and like i said, i put it mostly on back bar in emergency (i.e. when healer sucks or im solo). For all the rest of the templar skills, like mentionned, it does become entirely dependant on if you are stam or mag (as for almost anything else anyone mentionned, which is why I only talked about 3 skills - OP should really indicate attribute allocation.

Blazing Shield is generaly useless for stams as the magicka costs is too high for a limited magicka pool. A single attack burns through Blazing Shield.... unless this changed recently.

Koensol · March 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I find the 2 templar AoE buffs to be a must, rune and the purge one. You can keep hasty prayer on a back bar in case of an emergency but those two should be enough. Thats the only temp skills you need. I advocate against BoL, costs too much. That being said, I'm stam so i mitigate the dmg a lot more than heal through it.

As far as sets; I'm doing without any tank-specific one atm, need 2 more days for the last traits to get armor master. I plan using it with indomnitable. The CC immunity from it is pretty awesome in PvE - might not be the best though, and havent tested it yet. Its more about the monster sets I think, theres a bunch that couldl be good/interesting; Blood Spawn is prbly going to be the general consensus;

Also:
Engine Guardian for resources
Mighty Chudan if you dont like rng effects. Its just pure stats, but the boost is good. Adds like a permanent 6.5k phys and spell resistance. If you dont have heavy for some reason...
TremorScale for some offense if you are stam (the stam boost is nice 967 stam) + slows the enemy. it activates on taunt 50%.
Lord Warden has potential in that it boost others too. But i wouldnt advise this one

@Spacemonkey

Forget about armor master. The extra health isn't really needed the buff it provides is identical to the rune you said you will be using so 3 skill slots to get one armor buff. Waste of space. Also, forget hasty prayer. Your stam and that's magika.

Restoring focus. Only class that gets minor protection from a class skill plus armor buff and extra healing received and given

Vigor. Echoing vigor is you find need to help the group. Stam heal and instant.

Radiant ward or Blazing shield. Basically need an Adriatic skill on his ty bars for a while he damage reduction.

Puncture on main bar and undaunted range taunt on back bar.

Heroic slash main bar

Absorb magika both bars.

Ultimate Agressive WH both bars or back bar Replenishinh barrier.

That's 9 skills and intimated. One skill slot as flex. It's a solid skill setup that'll work in trials.

If you want a cleans in bar then ritual of retribution since it also does damage.

Edit: refer my first post for gear suggestion.

Add in power of the light for the debuffs and you are set. Templar tanks are the only tanks who can have both major and minor breach and fracture.

SJD_Phoenix · March 2017

I did state I'm high elf so that would lend itself nicer to magicka.

The only thing I'm finding difficult is stamina sustain as I don't have battle roar and igneous to give me Stam back on demand and I want to get used to being fully self sufficient as my end goal is to tank vDSA.

Again to reiterate, zero intention of running 12 man raids. Done them all (except MoL) vet hard hard mode as DPS, I've got my IA and VO jewels in gold so have no desire to run that boring content ever again.

Purely vet 4 man content.

paulsimonps · March 2017

SJD_Phoenix wrote: »

I did state I'm high elf so that would lend itself nicer to magicka.

The only thing I'm finding difficult is stamina sustain as I don't have battle roar and igneous to give me Stam back on demand and I want to get used to being fully self sufficient as my end goal is to tank vDSA.

Again to reiterate, zero intention of running 12 man raids. Done them all (except MoL) vet hard hard mode as DPS, I've got my IA and VO jewels in gold so have no desire to run that boring content ever again.

Purely vet 4 man content.

use repentance during trash fights to keep stamina up. Also don't perma block bosses in veteran trials, at the very least the non DLC ones. You can Heavy attack and all kind of stuff, they don't hit hard enough for you to have to perma block, just block the telegraphed heavy and AoE Attacks.

Kneighbors · April 2017

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Both stam and mag tanks do work for vet dungeons. Did a lot of tanking on my magicka templar DD before while doing heals and support as well. Not recommended in SotH vet dungeons though.

LoL! People are running 3dd+heal, passed solo almost every vet dungeon, and you say it's not possible to make a templar build to pass it on classic tank+dd+heal pattern? Sorry to say, you can make stam, magicka and hybrid build for tank templar. You can actually go for any class for 4 man vet content of the game as tank. A l2p issue

hmsdragonfly · April 2017

Try black rose + ebon

Mother_Goose · October 2017

Hey guys sorry to necro this- But I have finished a Templar Tank I had originally started when the game first came out and I am seeing a whole lot of nothing from my usual build resources to get her set up. (Yay boosted XP holiday! )

Questions- how much magicka, stam, health for the build Spacemonkey and Flodub were discussing?

Champion points?

I am assuming Atronach would be best?

Sword and board both bars?