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Bone Pirate's Tatters set became viable?
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I play stamina and magicka both but mostly stamina!
Yes this set is clearly broken if used with Draugr Hulk Set together!
Imperial/Red Guard/Bosmer sorcerers can take simlpy abuse this!
Heavy attack is enough to kill you down in a hit!Edited by Lord_Eomer on March 30, 2017 2:07PM0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...
It would not necessarily be a good thing to have magicka and stamina version of every single set. Otherwise, where is the stamina version of Vicious Death, Desert Rose, Syrabane, Rattlecage, Elegance, BSW, etc?
Rattlecage actually has a stamina counterpart, it's called Dreugh King Slayer. Both sets are very good. I've gotten plenty of grain solvent and rubedite from them.
And about BSW, I can name 3 Heavy sets and 2 Med sets that provide a Wep Damage buff when a certain condition is met
Edit: yeah, it' DKS.Edited by Tryxus on March 30, 2017 4:05PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...
It would not necessarily be a good thing to have magicka and stamina version of every single set. Otherwise, where is the stamina version of Vicious Death, Desert Rose, Syrabane, Rattlecage, Elegance, BSW, etc?
Rattlecage actually has a stamina counterpart, it's called Dreugh King Slayer. Both sets are very good. I've gotten plenty of grain solvent and rubedite from them.
DKS is garbage in comparison to Rattlecage.3 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it
The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.
@ZOS_RichLambert
Did you really call the teacher on someone's stats lmao7 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Show us a picture of your stats.deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »For my NB: 5 heavy hundings, 5 bone pirates (2 armor 3 jewelery), fill in the rest how you want. Personally I go 2 sharpened mauls agility weapons main bar and either maelstrom 2h (powered) on back or masters 2h (powered). Shadow mundus. Back bar is Rally, shuffle, shadowy disguise, relentless focus, siphoning strikes, dawn breaker of smiting or flawless dawn breaker (for a bit more heals). Main bar blood craze, surprise attack, vigor, ambush, mass hysteria, incapacitating strikes. Dubious throne drink. Potion with major savagery (you can replace siphoning with vigor on back bar and replace vigor with evil/camouflage hunter front bar if you always want the major savagery). Put 35 to 40 cp into blessed, fill in the rest how you want. 35 to 40 cp into quick recovery fill in the rest how you want. Monster heavy armor build for Nightblade. Great stats though not as good as the one pictured above. Idk how the heck he got those stats all together.
Okay I'll try to remember when I get home. My rings are only blue but the purple isn't that much better. I do plan on farming for the purple though to make it as good as I can get it. Just to give an idea though, I sit a bit over 40k Stam, 2190 Stam recovery, just under 23k HP, 10kish magicka, only 680ish magicka recovery (low I know but siphoning helps a lot), and weapon damage without enchant proc or sneak is above 3500 I believe. Surprise attack tool tip is 10200 something. Vigor tics critical for around 3k. Physical and spell resist is about 21600 when using a shadow ability and gear is only purple except on weapons and 2 bone pirate pieces.
As far as the one guys stats all I can think of is he is being buffed by others to include his own buffed stats. Maybe clever alchemist is up, bone pirates, dubious throne drink, major brutality, maybe wrath, looks like he is in 5 heavy and just used a shadow shadow kill before screen shotting, some fighters guild skills plus flawless dawn breaker. Maybe even just proced a weapon damage enchant. I'm thinking war horn and maybe someone with hircenes veneer in his group and maybe some other buffs are giving him those stats. I can understand 2 of the three stats (Stam, we, and Stam rec.) Being that high but all 3? No way without buffs from others is he reaching these numbers solo.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!2 -
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How much armor pen and crit do you have or are you not sure?deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »
Show us a picture of your stats.deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »For my NB: 5 heavy hundings, 5 bone pirates (2 armor 3 jewelery), fill in the rest how you want. Personally I go 2 sharpened mauls agility weapons main bar and either maelstrom 2h (powered) on back or masters 2h (powered). Shadow mundus. Back bar is Rally, shuffle, shadowy disguise, relentless focus, siphoning strikes, dawn breaker of smiting or flawless dawn breaker (for a bit more heals). Main bar blood craze, surprise attack, vigor, ambush, mass hysteria, incapacitating strikes. Dubious throne drink. Potion with major savagery (you can replace siphoning with vigor on back bar and replace vigor with evil/camouflage hunter front bar if you always want the major savagery). Put 35 to 40 cp into blessed, fill in the rest how you want. 35 to 40 cp into quick recovery fill in the rest how you want. Monster heavy armor build for Nightblade. Great stats though not as good as the one pictured above. Idk how the heck he got those stats all together.
Okay I'll try to remember when I get home. My rings are only blue but the purple isn't that much better. I do plan on farming for the purple though to make it as good as I can get it. Just to give an idea though, I sit a bit over 40k Stam, 2190 Stam recovery, just under 23k HP, 10kish magicka, only 680ish magicka recovery (low I know but siphoning helps a lot), and weapon damage without enchant proc or sneak is above 3500 I believe. Surprise attack tool tip is 10200 something. Vigor tics critical for around 3k. Physical and spell resist is about 21600 when using a shadow ability and gear is only purple except on weapons and 2 bone pirate pieces.
As far as the one guys stats all I can think of is he is being buffed by others to include his own buffed stats. Maybe clever alchemist is up, bone pirates, dubious throne drink, major brutality, maybe wrath, looks like he is in 5 heavy and just used a shadow shadow kill before screen shotting, some fighters guild skills plus flawless dawn breaker. Maybe even just proced a weapon damage enchant. I'm thinking war horn and maybe someone with hircenes veneer in his group and maybe some other buffs are giving him those stats. I can understand 2 of the three stats (Stam, we, and Stam rec.) Being that high but all 3? No way without buffs from others is he reaching these numbers solo.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I think its good now. I think next patch, when sustain becomes much more diffuclt(according to rumors) then this set is going to become vitrualy mandatory for pvp1) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters
2) 5 Hulking Draugr
3) Maelstrom 2H front bar
4) Master's Bow back bar
5) Dubious Camoran Throne
6) Stamina Sorcerer
7) Redguard
8) Warrior mundus
why would you run warrior? thief and shadow are both far far better1 -
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✭✭✭I think its good now. I think next patch, when sustain becomes much more diffuclt(according to rumors) then this set is going to become vitrualy mandatory for pvp1) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters
2) 5 Hulking Draugr
3) Maelstrom 2H front bar
4) Master's Bow back bar
5) Dubious Camoran Throne
6) Stamina Sorcerer
7) Redguard
8) Warrior mundus
why would you run warrior? thief and shadow are both far far better
Can't crit against shields, and most experienced players use all impen.2 -
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✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...
It would not necessarily be a good thing to have magicka and stamina version of every single set. Otherwise, where is the stamina version of Vicious Death, Desert Rose, Syrabane, Rattlecage, Elegance, BSW, etc?
Rattlecage actually has a stamina counterpart, it's called Dreugh King Slayer. Both sets are very good. I've gotten plenty of grain solvent and rubedite from them.
Well played. I had to say that, really made me laugh.5 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...
It would not necessarily be a good thing to have magicka and stamina version of every single set. Otherwise, where is the stamina version of Vicious Death, Desert Rose, Syrabane, Rattlecage, Elegance, BSW, etc?
Rattlecage actually has a stamina counterpart, it's called Dreugh King Slayer. Both sets are very good. I've gotten plenty of grain solvent and rubedite from them.
Actually, it's called Toothrow and it can be found in Wayrest Sewers.
And about BSW, I can name 3 Heavy sets and 2 Med sets that provide a Wep Damage buff when a certain condition is met
no, toothrow is the treasure hunter equivalent. They both come in appropriate weights for dps classes and provide major crit buffs...1 -
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✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »I think its good now. I think next patch, when sustain becomes much more diffuclt(according to rumors) then this set is going to become vitrualy mandatory for pvp1) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters
2) 5 Hulking Draugr
3) Maelstrom 2H front bar
4) Master's Bow back bar
5) Dubious Camoran Throne
6) Stamina Sorcerer
7) Redguard
8) Warrior mundus
why would you run warrior? thief and shadow are both far far better
Can't crit against shields, and most experienced players use all impen.
Impen will not negate all extra crit damage and you still want the crit for heals.5 -
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✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »I play stamina and magicka both but mostly stamina!
Yes this set is clearly broken if used with Draugr Hulk Set together!
Imperial/Red Guard/Bosmer sorcerers can take simlpy abuse this!
Heavy attack is enough to kill you down in a hit!Interesting for stam sorc...
Why is it interesting for Stam sorc? That's the one class I wouldn't use it on? On my StamSorc I run like 600 recovery and it's strong, just have to play an 'in and out' style to retreat and dark deal1 -
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Yes against sorcs thief and crit not as good as raw damage. Against a Stam or heavy armor magic build impenetrable does not negate crit it lowers how much damage a crit hit deals but a crit hit would still deal more damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »I think its good now. I think next patch, when sustain becomes much more diffuclt(according to rumors) then this set is going to become vitrualy mandatory for pvp1) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters
2) 5 Hulking Draugr
3) Maelstrom 2H front bar
4) Master's Bow back bar
5) Dubious Camoran Throne
6) Stamina Sorcerer
7) Redguard
8) Warrior mundus
why would you run warrior? thief and shadow are both far far better
Can't crit against shields, and most experienced players use all impen.1 -
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Attacking shields directly is an inefficient way to fight shield stackers anyway. It's much better to pressure their Stamina, then CC them while their shields are down. Not to mention that Thief is much stronger for overall DPS, even against players with high Impen, since Impen can't fully negate critical hits. 11% crit chance vs 166 weapon damage isn't even a comparison.Strider_Roshin wrote: »I think its good now. I think next patch, when sustain becomes much more diffuclt(according to rumors) then this set is going to become vitrualy mandatory for pvp1) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters
2) 5 Hulking Draugr
3) Maelstrom 2H front bar
4) Master's Bow back bar
5) Dubious Camoran Throne
6) Stamina Sorcerer
7) Redguard
8) Warrior mundus
why would you run warrior? thief and shadow are both far far better
Can't crit against shields, and most experienced players use all impen.Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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✭✭✭✭So to farm or not to farm, this is the question ...Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My thoughts? OP. Where's my magicka equivalent?
Right where my Minor Staminasteal is.9 -
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✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »I think its good now. I think next patch, when sustain becomes much more diffuclt(according to rumors) then this set is going to become vitrualy mandatory for pvp1) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters
2) 5 Hulking Draugr
3) Maelstrom 2H front bar
4) Master's Bow back bar
5) Dubious Camoran Throne
6) Stamina Sorcerer
7) Redguard
8) Warrior mundus
why would you run warrior? thief and shadow are both far far better
Can't crit against shields, and most experienced players use all impen.
Clearly you don't know how impen works or you'd know even 3500 isn't enough to protect you from crit burst.
Furthermore, thief also effects healing DRASTICALLY more than warrior.
If you're building to kill shield stackers in 2017 you're playing wrong, 6 seconds shields means you can either sustain stacking them or you can kill me but not likely both. And there's only really 2 classes that shield stack anyway, meaning you're building wildly inefficiently.
Also, you can indeed crit shields and the overflow damage WILL crit their health pool.
Aaaaaand, you can get that weapon damage from warrior much more efficiently than you can get crit to replace thief
Edited by Lexxypwns on March 30, 2017 3:27PM1 -
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✭BSW and Lich is stronger for magicka.
No it isn't stop being so narrow minded.
Why does everyone make it a competition between Stam vs mag? It ain't a competition the better player will win...3 -
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How much armor pen and crit do you have or are you not sure?deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »
Show us a picture of your stats.deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »For my NB: 5 heavy hundings, 5 bone pirates (2 armor 3 jewelery), fill in the rest how you want. Personally I go 2 sharpened mauls agility weapons main bar and either maelstrom 2h (powered) on back or masters 2h (powered). Shadow mundus. Back bar is Rally, shuffle, shadowy disguise, relentless focus, siphoning strikes, dawn breaker of smiting or flawless dawn breaker (for a bit more heals). Main bar blood craze, surprise attack, vigor, ambush, mass hysteria, incapacitating strikes. Dubious throne drink. Potion with major savagery (you can replace siphoning with vigor on back bar and replace vigor with evil/camouflage hunter front bar if you always want the major savagery). Put 35 to 40 cp into blessed, fill in the rest how you want. 35 to 40 cp into quick recovery fill in the rest how you want. Monster heavy armor build for Nightblade. Great stats though not as good as the one pictured above. Idk how the heck he got those stats all together.
Okay I'll try to remember when I get home. My rings are only blue but the purple isn't that much better. I do plan on farming for the purple though to make it as good as I can get it. Just to give an idea though, I sit a bit over 40k Stam, 2190 Stam recovery, just under 23k HP, 10kish magicka, only 680ish magicka recovery (low I know but siphoning helps a lot), and weapon damage without enchant proc or sneak is above 3500 I believe. Surprise attack tool tip is 10200 something. Vigor tics critical for around 3k. Physical and spell resist is about 21600 when using a shadow ability and gear is only purple except on weapons and 2 bone pirate pieces.
As far as the one guys stats all I can think of is he is being buffed by others to include his own buffed stats. Maybe clever alchemist is up, bone pirates, dubious throne drink, major brutality, maybe wrath, looks like he is in 5 heavy and just used a shadow shadow kill before screen shotting, some fighters guild skills plus flawless dawn breaker. Maybe even just proced a weapon damage enchant. I'm thinking war horn and maybe someone with hircenes veneer in his group and maybe some other buffs are giving him those stats. I can understand 2 of the three stats (Stam, we, and Stam rec.) Being that high but all 3? No way without buffs from others is he reaching these numbers solo.
Armor penetration is a bit under 7k from 2 mauls and a bunch into piercing. Sometimes I play 5 hundings heavy 5 spriggan and 1 kragh and I'm hitting over 15.3k physical penetration. Main reason I'm going away from that build though is it isn't great against shields and it doesn't help with healing at all.
My crit with evil hunter or crit pot is 48%. I believe with minor savagery it goes to 50 or 51%. So that critical % plus shadow mundus produces some impressive damage and heals.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it
The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.
@ZOS_RichLambert
I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.
Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.
I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.
I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.
Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more
Dodge rolling is useless against Templars, and the majority of ultimates out there. It's only situationally strong.
If you dodge roll through the Templar it works just fine0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it
I believe you can get much better stats than this as well. It's quite broken.
Stat-wise, the only sets to compare in terms of raw bonuses are Amber Plasm and Necropotence.
Amber Plasm gives Stam regen and builds your character with Spell Crit which is not as good as getting another Max Magicka bonus. This set is much weaker than Bone Pirate's, and is mostly used by Dark Dealing Mag sorcs.
Necropotence requires a pet. It can be used on Magblades but it's quite unanimous that Magblades are in a rough place atm so it doesn't even matter. Sorcs who use this are are strong 1v1 but weak vs 2+ enemies and generally suck too since the bonus can so easily be taken away.
Bone Pirate's Tatters was meant (just like Witchmother's Brew) to be blatantly OP in raw stats but counteracted by the forced requirement of using non-optimal food/drink.
Thanks to this recipe here, Stamina builds can gain full benefit from this set and create insane setups. It makes Draugr Hulk look like complete garbage -_-
...... but ppl are running it now so it is balanced and those who call out the obvious are crybabies. I'll just stick to not PvPing besides the rare small group play lol.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@psychotic13 is a VERY reliable source.
Next. Didn't trainee get blasted for giving worse stats than this combo?
Again, SOB ZoS3 -
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Meanwhile, mag builds can spam shields ad nauseum. *Shakes head*
Its the main reason why medium armor is so weak now. Dodge roll and dodge in general have been indirectly and directly nerfed so many times medium is just weak as hell. With Zos adding the cost increase and making more and more abilities undodgeable and ultimates the same way. The abilities you want and need to dodge you can't. Even when they Nerf heavy stam builds will still run heavy since medium is weak.Strider_Roshin wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it
The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.
@ZOS_RichLambert
I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.
Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.
I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.
I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.
Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more
Dodge rolling is useless against Templars, and the majority of ultimates out there. It's only situationally strong.
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✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »You guys realize that's just a picture. He's using warrior in it, is in stealth, probably had a ton of fighters guild skills on his bar, you can't see his buffs so possibly he's got allies helping him, probably has the buff from resources.
I'm saying i run bone pirates and draugr and it's not like this and it's a finished character.
This picture is made to just buff all the stats.
Agreed. This picture is designed to fool players. It's like all those 50K+ DPS parses that show a bunch of group buffs that no one actually uses.0 -
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I think you are confused about the term viable. That set has always been viable.rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »Bone Pirate's Tatters set became viable?
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✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »
Exactly the point of my comment. People who ask for magicka bone pirate should be aware that stamina needs a set like this to compete with magickasteal.
And I do appreciate this set very much since it does give a different but comparable way of sustaining.1
