NBrookus wrote: »

Why do people post videos of and admire small scale? Well, would you watch videos of a competent group doing a 4 man dungeon on hard mode unless it was friends, or something special like the first world clear, or needed to learn it? Probably not. But someone goes in and solos vWGT on hard mode? That's a player that can kill, sustain and heal by themselves. It's admirable and is a skill level to which many either aspire to or realize is out of reach for them -- even if it's not a task they particularly want to do.

So people cheer on 1vX and outnumbered play because it requires a well-rounded build and level of mastery over one's class in that kind of scenario that many players don't and won't have -- and some will never try because it's not their cup of tea.

This. Larger the group less and less of an impact you have as a player, less and less intelligence you need. A zerg is only as good as the shot caller leading it, beyond that you have no individual impact as to how well the hive mind preforms. Miss your ultimate? Oh well, the other twelve Templars will surely pop theirs, didn't bring gems to revive? Oh well, the other forty people surely have a few gems between them, etc etc.

Smaller the group the more you rely on synergy and intelligence between players, if you're outnumbered its when everyone matters and you need people at their best.

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KingJ wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

I swear people post these every 2-3 months.Running In a zerg require barely any skill.

And dodge rolling around the same rock or tree does? I'm really confused.........

LOS takes Way more skill than running with 30-40 people spamming light attacks,or running over small groups and solo players.

LOSing around a tree with 3-5 stupid potatoes wearing cheese sets like viper, Grothadar, Valkyn, and Selene 'quick dueling' each one individually is far from "Skill"

LoS requires thought though while zerging generally does not. Kiting around a tree to split up a group to actually get kills does require a good deal of skill especially if it's multiple cp 600's. You basically have to do everything right or you will die and not get any kills. You have to prioritize targets and pay close attention to your resources. If you mean a eternal hunt build just roll dodging around Los and not killing anyone then I agree it doesn't take skill. to finish an actual 1vX though is probably the most skilled thing left in the game since small group play has lost a lot of the skill involved

Great argument here. And for the most part this is true but it also requires you fight less skilled players if 5 players you engaged were at your skill level then I think you would lose.

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Rickter wrote: »

So is te general consensus that being in a zerg requires no skill? Have the people preaching that ever led or otherwise run a large group? its not easy. making the right calls - making the smart calls is a gift that only a few have.

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LOSing around a tree with 3-5 stupid potatoes wearing cheese sets like viper, Grothadar, Valkyn, and Selene 'quick dueling' each one individually is far from "Skill"

i agree with you, but just curious - what set do you consider not cheese? is cheese considered anything that relies on a random proc chance to cause dmg? again i agree with you, just wanted to know more

Pretty much the meta set ups that everyone uses.

You don't get bonus points for killing someone with leap instead of Destro. The other guy is just as dead.

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

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Rickter wrote: »

So is te general consensus that being in a zerg requires no skill? Have the people preaching that ever led or otherwise run a large group? its not easy. making the right calls - making the smart calls is a gift that only a few have.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

LOSing around a tree with 3-5 stupid potatoes wearing cheese sets like viper, Grothadar, Valkyn, and Selene 'quick dueling' each one individually is far from "Skill"

i agree with you, but just curious - what set do you consider not cheese? is cheese considered anything that relies on a random proc chance to cause dmg? again i agree with you, just wanted to know more

Pretty much the meta set ups that everyone uses.

You don't get bonus points for killing someone with leap instead of Destro. The other guy is just as dead.

I'm glad you said that Steve. So do you finally understand that you don't get bonus points for killing ppl with spambush?

Sorc y u do this?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

So is te general consensus that being in a zerg requires no skill? Have the people preaching that ever led or otherwise run a large group? its not easy. making the right calls - making the smart calls is a gift that only a few have.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

LOSing around a tree with 3-5 stupid potatoes wearing cheese sets like viper, Grothadar, Valkyn, and Selene 'quick dueling' each one individually is far from "Skill"

i agree with you, but just curious - what set do you consider not cheese? is cheese considered anything that relies on a random proc chance to cause dmg? again i agree with you, just wanted to know more

Pretty much the meta set ups that everyone uses.

You don't get bonus points for killing someone with leap instead of Destro. The other guy is just as dead.

I'm glad you said that Steve. So do you finally understand that you don't get bonus points for killing ppl with spambush?

Sorc y u do this?

I bet that's exactly what Abrams was saying when you ambushed him 18x!

He had it coming!

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Why do people post videos of and admire small scale? Well, would you watch videos of a competent group doing a 4 man dungeon on hard mode unless it was friends, or something special like the first world clear, or needed to learn it? Probably not. But someone goes in and solos vWGT on hard mode? That's a player that can kill, sustain and heal by themselves. It's admirable and is a skill level to which many either aspire to or realize is out of reach for them -- even if it's not a task they particularly want to do.

So people cheer on 1vX and outnumbered play because it requires a well-rounded build and level of mastery over one's class in that kind of scenario that many players don't and won't have -- and some will never try because it's not their cup of tea.

This. Larger the group less and less of an impact you have as a player, less and less intelligence you need. A zerg is only as good as the shot caller leading it, beyond that you have no individual impact as to how well the hive mind preforms. Miss your ultimate? Oh well, the other twelve Templars will surely pop theirs, didn't bring gems to revive? Oh well, the other forty people surely have a few gems between them, etc etc.

Smaller the group the more you rely on synergy and intelligence between players, if you're outnumbered its when everyone matters and you need people at their best.

As long as you are outnumbered or at least fighting a group your size individual skill will always be needed. Wether in a 4 man group or a 24 man group it makes no diffrence. If I am in a 24 man raid trying to take a keep from an enemy raid or even a enemy faction every ultimate, every synergy, can be life and death. One player messing up can be deadly for everyone. I run a 24 man raid. If I'm trying to take aleswell inner from 40 dc and I lose a healer, 9 times out of 10 dead. If I get a negate dropped me by another raid in in a keep and one of our sorcs does not counter negate it fast, I'm dead. Each player matters.

As long as you outnumber an opponent indivual skill is less and less needed based on how much you outnumber an oppontent. A smaller 1v4 fight will always be easy for the 4 with room for error and the solo player will have to work very hard and be very skilled. Same in the situation of a 8v24. The 8 man group has to work hard and play as a team while the 24 man just has to not royally screw up.

Everyone matters as long as you are outnumbered or fighting equal numbers. Regardless of size. Individual skill and team work matter less the more you outnumber an opponent.