Hard Casting Frags...

acw37162 · March 2017

Yeah no thank you.

The grim focus mechanic is terrible IMO.

In fact I wish from focus was more like Frag.

brandonv516 · March 2017

acw37162 wrote: »

Yeah no thank you.

The grim focus mechanic is terrible IMO.

In fact I wish from focus was more like Frag.

If you read the OP you would see that they are not asking for grim focus mechanics (4 light attacks to proc) - they are asking for the icon to change when instant frags procs.

The_Conquerer · March 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

I think you should read the OP before crying. He suggested the icon to change when Frags is procced, not for the mechanic to change.

OP I think you should change your wording to clear up things for everyone.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

Its only buff timers. PC have that already. So PC guys can play at max efficiency but its too much to have the icon glow for us console players? I don't see you logic

I edited the post like 7 times i dont see how much clearer i can be. Regardless thank you for clarifying for others.

Elsonso · March 2017

Buffler wrote: »

when it procs ur hands glow already

When the proc is gone, your hands still glow for a little longer. That has caught me many times when I was not paying close attention to a buff timer.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2017

Srendarr buff tracker adds it's own audio cue for frags. Since using it I never miss a proc even in the craziest fights. The only issue I have with making a frag proc more obvious is that it also makes it more obvious for your opponent. I remember being outraged when zos added the audio cue to frags because it told all my opponents I had a frag ready. I'm fine with it now, frags should be telegraphed, but not overly so.

Izaki · March 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

Agreed. Not sure if console is different, but on PC the icon already lights up and makes a noise.
Iirc this was before I put on buff tracker add-ons.

It is different on console. No light up effect but I do think there is a sound (although barely noticeable).

Especially when you're in a trial with so much other stuff going on. You can't even hear it.

Izaki · March 2017

The_Conquerer wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

I think you should read the OP before crying. He suggested the icon to change when Frags is procced, not for the mechanic to change.

OP I think you should change your wording to clear up things for everyone.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

Its only buff timers. PC have that already. So PC guys can play at max efficiency but its too much to have the icon glow for us console players? I don't see you logic

I edited the post like 7 times i dont see how much clearer i can be. Regardless thank you for clarifying for others.

Just take out the whole Grim Focus part and put this:

SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM:
When the Crystal Frags proc, the skill icon should glow in a similar manner to Shadow Image or the skill icon should change entirely similar to the Grim Focus bow proc.

Izaki · March 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Srendarr buff tracker adds it's own audio cue for frags. Since using it I never miss a proc even in the craziest fights. The only issue I have with making a frag proc more obvious is that it also makes it more obvious for your opponent. I remember being outraged when zos added the audio cue to frags because it told all my opponents I had a frag ready. I'm fine with it now, frags should be telegraphed, but not overly so.

I mean, you guys get S'rendarr on PC, what do we get on console?

Shadow Image glows a gold color when the teleport is able to be used, why not Frags?

Waffennacht · March 2017

Surge, when it procs your hands light up (outside of the already constant glowing "aura") it's very similar to the frag proc. When it does that I also confuse it with a frag proc and typically start a hard cast and instinctually animation cancel it for a huge waste of time lol.

Im all for a more noticeable cue in any form.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Srendarr buff tracker adds it's own audio cue for frags. Since using it I never miss a proc even in the craziest fights. The only issue I have with making a frag proc more obvious is that it also makes it more obvious for your opponent. I remember being outraged when zos added the audio cue to frags because it told all my opponents I had a frag ready. I'm fine with it now, frags should be telegraphed, but not overly so.

I mean, you guys get S'rendarr on PC, what do we get on console?

Shadow Image glows a gold color when the teleport is able to be used, why not Frags?

The frags icon already glows when it procs afaik. I'm not familiar with shadow image or grim focus, but I would have no issue with more "player user only" cues such as a glowing icon. I'd just rather frags not be any more obvious to my opponent is all. Personally idk what the barrier is to letting consoles have addons.

Ep1kMalware · March 2017

jakeedmundson wrote: »

I like that idea... the indicator is easy to miss sometimes with all the other junk flying around.

Agreed, with all the various lighting elements this game has, a more direct and analog approach might just be the right thing here. Hell in certain situations I can barely see the yellow flashing single targ charge indicator comming my way, let alone what color my hands are. Who looks at their toon mid fight anyway? I'm too busy paying attention to my environment.

Izaki · March 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Srendarr buff tracker adds it's own audio cue for frags. Since using it I never miss a proc even in the craziest fights. The only issue I have with making a frag proc more obvious is that it also makes it more obvious for your opponent. I remember being outraged when zos added the audio cue to frags because it told all my opponents I had a frag ready. I'm fine with it now, frags should be telegraphed, but not overly so.

I mean, you guys get S'rendarr on PC, what do we get on console?

Shadow Image glows a gold color when the teleport is able to be used, why not Frags?

The frags icon already glows when it procs afaik. I'm not familiar with shadow image or grim focus, but I would have no issue with more "player user only" cues such as a glowing icon. I'd just rather frags not be any more obvious to my opponent is all. Personally idk what the barrier is to letting consoles have addons.

Naaah it doesn't glow on consoles at all. You kinda just have to guess because sometimes your hands won't glow due to lag #consoleOP

Basically, when you use Shadow Image, the icon glows a really nice gold color that tells you when the teleport is available. Grim Focus after 4 light attacks (bow proc available) changes the icon entirely from the usual red background with the usual icon to a blue/purple one with a bow icon. One of these two solutions would be great for Crystal Frags.

Orbital · March 2017

Buffler wrote: »

when it procs ur hands glow already

Not in trials with 3 destro ults healing springs combat prayer and all that good stuff melting our consoles
The noise for a proc happens but no visual, quite hard to notice when everything is going on, talking mechanics/whatever.

I agree with op please fix frag hard casting is embarrassing af also, fix trials while your at it as owner of a guild who runs 7 days a week not doing vmol for 32 days is breaking my back.

Pwnyridah · March 2017

Buffler wrote: »

when it procs ur hands glow already

I've experienced many a time when my hands glow purple and it starts the hard cast, i block to interrupt but it's annoying.

The_Conquerer · March 2017

keep it alive !

The_Conquerer · March 2017

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NordSwordnBoard · March 2017

I admit to being frustrated sometimes with environmental stuff combining with SPC+BSW+Empower+Lightning Form+Kena+Bound Armor - it looks cool all at once, but its sometimes hard to see the frag proc under all that.

Hands with rocks could be changed to something more obvious or a color that isn't so purplish like the rest.

A purple aura around your magicka bar if you guys are set on purple, but whatever, it could be more obvious to the caster on the HUD.

SJD_Phoenix · March 2017

On console you still have a few things.

Firstly hands don't glow as such smaller crystals levitate around them.

There is an audible que which is very fast

Your health bar and your ability bar have a white glow around for the duration of the proc.

The issue with the above is:

Hand que is great unless you have boundless, crit surge, wards, bound aegis up and then it visually gets lost, especially with lag.

Audible que can be difficult if you use Xbox parties because you need to tone down audio in game to hear party. Also can be harder as the timing can be off due to lag.

Health bar glowing can be due to random incoming heals and can also be off que to, you guessed it, lag.

They could invert the icon when it procs (so instead of it being blue on the outside and show as a white beam it could show as a blue beam with white around it. Problem solved.

zaria · March 2017

RebornV3x wrote: »

2 words: Buff Timers

So you know when your ability is ready to insta cast.

Crystal Frags always gives me strange graphic glitches hands glow purple even tho I end up hard casting etc...

Come on Zos bring thus to console already should have been in the game from release.

The icon start to glow then its ready, but yes its a bit hard to see, having this more visible would help.
Forget the hands as you should have surge active and perhaps bound armor.

Buff timers is awesome here you even see if its active even on back bar in case it proc before you switched, always trigger pet then bar swap and will not catch it if this proc it, but as its lighted up I do 2 after next swap.

Keep_Door · March 2017

Get the add-on called sorc helper.

If your on console .... switch to PC

Izaki · March 2017

zaria wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

2 words: Buff Timers

So you know when your ability is ready to insta cast.

Crystal Frags always gives me strange graphic glitches hands glow purple even tho I end up hard casting etc...

Come on Zos bring thus to console already should have been in the game from release.

The icon start to glow then its ready, but yes its a bit hard to see, having this more visible would help.
Forget the hands as you should have surge active and perhaps bound armor.

Buff timers is awesome here you even see if its active even on back bar in case it proc before you switched, always trigger pet then bar swap and will not catch it if this proc it, but as its lighted up I do 2 after next swap.

The icon doesn't glow on consoles from my experience...

Violynne · March 2017

The_Conquerer wrote: »

if we look at abilities like Grim Focus, Flame Lash, or Shadow Image these abilities change icons on your bar to let you know when the ability can be casted differently.

When you play with this spell long enough, you'll start to pick up techniques which allow you to cast it without needing a visual cue.

For example, spam 3 light spells and a heavy in 12 seconds or more, then watch your zero cast go from 30% chance to 90%.

Try disabling the bar and play the game. It will remove the crutch that's allowing you to focus on it instead of the battle at hand.

Just advice, nothing more.

KingKush · March 2017

Laughing at all the people that clearly did not read the entire post OP made before adding their 2 cents.

KingKush · March 2017

And yes, we need some better way of identifying a crystal frag proc due to continuous bugs on top of the already eye cancer some abilities are.

MissBizz · March 2017

LordGavus wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

Agreed. Not sure if console is different, but on PC the icon already lights up and makes a noise.
Iirc this was before I put on buff tracker add-ons.

It's Srendarr that does that... Pretty sure it's not normal pc ui that does that. Well, technically there is a sound but it's barely noticeable.

Autolycus · March 2017

Lol @ people saying that the OP's recommendation is bad because they don't like re-casting Merciless Resolve...

Surely you all realize that re-casting a buff is, mechanically, a completely different concept from changing an image when a proc occurs. What if I tell you... that you never have to re-cast frags in order to get another future proc?

I'm happy to support this suggestion. It has zero impact on functionality and would solve this issue for good. No more extra addon specifically for frag procs!

Mystrius_Archaion · March 2017

There is currently a bug with crystal shard that may be affecting this as all the animations of it are running longer than intended: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/330837/crystal-shard-animation-broken-and-breaking-hit-registering

The_Conquerer · March 2017

thank you all for your supportive feedback.