Hard Casting Frags...

The_Conquerer

Im on console Xbox NA and I've been playing my sorc for quite a while and I've noticed that the insta cast for Crystal Frags is either bugged or it shows your hands glow purple for no reason. Its usually a mixture of things like too many visual buffs on your character, lighting from Destro Ults and other abilities making it hard to tell if you have an insta cast ready or not, sometimes you're simply too late on casting it as it runs out, and of course last but not least lag. Regardless I may have a solution, if we look at abilities like Grim Focus, Flame Lash, or Shadow Image these abilities change icons on your bar to let you know when the ability can be casted differently. That being said Crystal Frags should be changed into doing the same in terms of changing icons when cast is ready to make it easier on us console players.

Buffler

when it procs ur hands glow already

jakeedmundson

I like that idea... the indicator is easy to miss sometimes with all the other junk flying around.

The_Conquerer

Buffler wrote: »

when it procs ur hands glow already

im well aware of that and acknowledged it in the post above.

ArchMikem

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

Sasyk

I dislike that idea a lot, sorry man. Merciless resolve / relentless focus is an awkward to use skill and I feel having to recast it is a dps loss. Sorc doesn't need to go down the same gimp road as mag blade did.

Theodard

If you miss the proc and start to hard cast it's faster IMO to quickly block to break that animation and go back into your rotation to get that next proc.

The_Conquerer

Sasyk wrote: »

I dislike that idea a lot, sorry man. Merciless resolve / relentless focus is an awkward to use skill and I feel having to recast it is a dps loss. Sorc doesn't need to go down the same gimp road as mag blade did.

all im saying is that it should change pictures on ur bar when u get the insta cast just like grim focues does.

TheShadowScout

Personally I kinda dislike the insta cast chan ce of the crystal frags... mostly because its so easy to miss... but it -is- handy. I would not exactly want the grim focus mechanic though, since I kinda dislike that even more.

If it was up to me... I'd remove the insta cast chance and rebalance the whole skill a little differently, add some special effect to that morph instead... then we had the "area" morph and one "solo target" morph... but hey, not up to me...

The_Conquerer

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

all im saying is change the picture of the ability when you get the insta cast just like grim focus idk how that would be bad. Not changing the ability in any way just the changing the picture when you get an insta cast.

luen79rwb17_ESO

If you're on PC there are some addons that help you with that. LuiExtended is one IIRC.

Khaos_Bane

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

I am with you 100% Grim Focus is one of the worst mechanics in the game, I hate it. Grim Focus is one reason why I don't play MAGBLADE. The OP is talking about the icon changing though, not having it do the same as grim focus.

I have noticed that crystal frag isn't as responsive as it used to be but I like the mechanic.

NeillMcAttack

Is there an audio cue when it procs?! I don't play MagSorc.

Khaos_Bane

The_Conquerer wrote: »

Im on console Xbox NA specifically and i've been playing my sorc for quite a while and i've noticed that the insta cast for crystal frags is either bugged or it shows your hands purple for no reason. I know alot of people have this issue of hard casting frags when thought to be insta cast. Regardless i have a suggestion to fix this, so just like Grim focus/relentless focus aka Spectral Bow when you cast the ability after 4 light attacks the ability changes pictures on your bar to tell you that you can cast spectral bow. That being said Crystal Frags should be changed into doing the same thing as Grim Focus in terms of chaging pictures that is, not the 4 light attack feature. I only compare it to Grim Focus because that is one of the few abilities i know that changes pictures when its ready to cast. All im saying is that when you get the insta cast that it changes pictures on your bar to indicate the insta cast is ready instead of only relying on your hands to glow purple.
Alot of people misread thinking that i meant to change Frags into grim focus but I only meant to say that they should change the visual queue for insta cast on Frags from hands glowing to changing pictures on your bar.

My icon does change on my bar for crystal frags, it lights up and is very noticeable.

rotaugen454

I always hard cast crystal frags when I run into deer in the wild, just in case it triggers Bambi fans.

idk

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

Danksta

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

The_Conquerer

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Is there an audio cue when it procs?! I don't play MagSorc.

there is

RebornV3x

2 words: Buff Timers

So you know when your ability is ready to insta cast.

Crystal Frags always gives me strange graphic glitches hands glow purple even tho I end up hard casting etc...

Come on Zos bring thus to console already should have been in the game from release.

Kodrac

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

alexkdd99

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

I never knew it glowed and I play mag sorc more than any other class. Maybe it is how my brightness is set up, not sure.

Either way I don't think this could hurt anything while also helping a few people. In my mind things that hurt no one but help some are always a good thing.

idk

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

The icon changing color means nothing. OP didn't mention having to activate it to begin with. That part I would completely object to.

flguy147ub17_ESO

They need to change something cause lets say if you have power surge, boundless storm on, its extremely hard to see when frags proc. Even just power surge makes your hands glows so you have 2 different abilities that light up your hands purple. I accidently hard cast here and there because in the heat of a fight, i see my hands glowing and i think my frag is procced when its not.

Danksta

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

Yea, I know it wouldn't help me. I never look at my ability bar while in combat. I do understand the issue though. When I have power surge up it can sometimes be difficult to tell if it's proc'd and you throw in boundless storm in there and it's no wonder I suck at mag sorc.

LordGavus

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

Agreed. Not sure if console is different, but on PC the icon already lights up and makes a noise.
Iirc this was before I put on buff tracker add-ons.

The_Conquerer

RebornV3x wrote: »

2 words: Buff Timers

So you know when your ability is ready to insta cast.

Crystal Frags always gives me strange graphic glitches hands glow purple even tho I end up hard casting etc...

Come on Zos bring thus to console already should have been in the game from release.

I've heard of buff timers coming to console soon. That would be a huge impact in gameplay for me so i know im not overcasting abilities etc. For the frags that's exactly my point. Having surge, boundless storm and even spc procing its hard to tell sometimes if you have an insta cast sometimes and you wind up hard casting more than you should.

The_Conquerer

LordGavus wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

Agreed. Not sure if console is different, but on PC the icon already lights up and makes a noise.
Iirc this was before I put on buff tracker add-ons.

I would have definitely noticed this if it were the case on console unfortunately it is not hence this post.

BlanketFort

I have a feeling a lot missed OP's point.

Anywho, I'd be for it. Same way the DK's whip skill icon changes when power lash is procced.
Sometimes, in fights with lots of shiny effects, it can be easy to miss the glowing hands.

EDIT: sound cues are not always reliable. In my case, I am almost always in some party chat and have to turn down ESO's volume to hear people talking.

The_Conquerer

BlanketFort wrote: »

I have a feeling a lot missed OP's point.

Anywho, I'd be for it. Same way the DK's whip skill icon changes when power lash is procced.
Sometimes, in fights with lots of shiny effects, it can be easy to miss the glowing hands.

Thank You and yea i forgot whip did that as well when enemy is off balance.

Izaki

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

I think you should read the OP before crying. He suggested the icon to change when Frags is procced, not for the mechanic to change.

OP I think you should change your wording to clear up things for everyone.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

Its only buff timers. PC have that already. So PC guys can play at max efficiency but its too much to have the icon glow for us console players? I don't see you logic

brandonv516

LordGavus wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

No way in no. Crystal Frags is one of the only good ways a MagSorc can deal damage consistently (more or less being a random chance), but I absolutely hate the Grim Focus mechanic.

I don't know if you're actually experiencing a bug but you do know that the Instant Cast proc is on a timer right? Once it procs and is ready to cast it only lasts a few seconds.

@ArchMikem

I think his idea is the only aspect that would be like the NB skill would be how it procs. If it were 4 light/heavy attacks to proc it then we'd know when we can use it and it would lead to a higher usage of frags.

We don't use the proc the instant it's available as it is. We don't react that fast. So the 35% proc chance ends up having less than a 20% usage.

However it would probably be OP for Sorcs.

No, the OP actually just wants the icon on the skill bar to change once it's proc'd. No change to the skill itself, just another way to know it has proc'd, a notification of sorts.

It already lights up and is all bright and shiny while it's active. I don't see how changing the picture would be any better.

Agreed. Not sure if console is different, but on PC the icon already lights up and makes a noise.
Iirc this was before I put on buff tracker add-ons.

It is different on console. No light up effect but I do think there is a sound (although barely noticeable).