Duiwel wrote: »

OP this is a GOOD THING

It means the game is VERY healthy...

More players = flooded market

Most experienced players already golded out their gear so there is less demand and more supply.

I support this in fact I would go as far as say we need to have the rare Sharpened items prices inflate and the improvement mats deflate to a level of almost free:

TA - 5k
DW - 3k
R - 1k
K - 1k

Then more players will be GOOD because better quality gear = more dmg or survivability and that can only be good for us all

Bring in more housing-type gold sinks or bring increased bank space slots for exorbitant amounts.

Except its not because more players but because more bits.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I am having so much trouble selling tempering alloy at all unless marked below the major market prices . I do not understand if I am selling in a good location with the price even at 7k gold each , why these things will NOT sell forever . I run around and see there are tons of these available at the same price I am listing . Enough to make gold weapons for years !

Are the customers just not buying tempering alloy at all right now ? Why are alot of the vendors so over stocked with them ? What IS the value of gold black smithing mats really ? I see some people with the same problem selling then for 5.5 and 6k now . Has these gold mats really tanked this much ?

This is typical shortly before a major expansion. We don't know if the gear level will be raised in Morrowind, if it is people will be even more pissed if they just 100ks upgrading all their gear sets to gold only to be farming new items/sets now.

I could also see us getting an appearance slot type of system in Morrowind. If we do then Motiffs are going to skyrocket shortly after launch to people wanting to really customize their look. So again people aren't wanting to blow all their money on upgrading gear right now. I mean they've gotten by the last probabyl 5-6 months in what they have what's another 2 months to have the gold to buy whatever you want.

Yes, its actually interesting to see the trend in Temper prices on PC-NA:



Looks like they are reaching a low point though...

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Still ~55k per item x 7 - for a set of heavy and couple of weapons.

385k not expensive enough?

While I too enjoy a bargain and am happy for players being able to max sets out , Traders are always happier when profits are large lol . My post is not about complaining for players getting a good deal but more looking for insight into what's happening in the market to make future decisions . I hope you understand I see the good side of this as well as I am not a shrewd businessman but more a profiteering salesman looking for direction .

I'm selling lots of gold tempers generally 5-10% below the lowest sale price now, I'm not even bothering trying to post it somewhere on the mid-low range of price anymore since the temper market is tanking so quickly. People have less and less use for gold these days as there's no new sets to improve and furniture mat farmers are flooding the market with them.

I imagine there's going to be a blip of a price lift when Morrowind comes out, but not enough to raise it to these levels again. I could be wrong, maybe the new overland Morrowind equipment sets will be the best thing since sliced bread and everyone will want them, but I kinda doubt that. There's no new equipment available now and no equipment level rise in the next many months, I'm treating every gold material I get like a hot potato and chucking it at the market immediately.

As for making future market decisions, take a look at mastic and other purple craft pieces. When the cost of heartwood dips further and more people have purple blueprints to make fancy furniture, I bet the mastic price might go up, especially with Morrowind's release, and I'm not just saying that because I have 3 tons of mastic in the bag.... <.< Housing made the market very weird, other things to watch right now are flour, rakiepa, bervez juice, some weapon/armor trait pieces.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Not just tempering alloy not selling. Almost everything at the moment. Sales appear to have gone from one extreme to the other. Mind you, did sell 75k worth of alloy, through a C.O.D. last week.

Wow, surprised you trusted a Cod, usually all of them are scams now. I'm trying to sell my stack of 150 Alloys at 6.8 each, but not budging at all and on a vendor with hardly any alloy on it.

How can you get scamed with a cod? Cant you see what it is before you confirm the deal? First time i heard that, if anything i think is the safest way to trade for a small fee.

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Not just tempering alloy not selling. Almost everything at the moment. Sales appear to have gone from one extreme to the other. Mind you, did sell 75k worth of alloy, through a C.O.D. last week.

Wow, surprised you trusted a Cod, usually all of them are scams now. I'm trying to sell my stack of 150 Alloys at 6.8 each, but not budging at all and on a vendor with hardly any alloy on it.

How can you get scamed with a cod? Cant you see what it is before you confirm the deal? First time i heard that, if anything i think is the safest way to trade for a small fee.

It really is scamming cause the other person has the right to not accept the CoD so therefore your out of the CoD fee if it was big and also 3 days of non getting it back

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Not just tempering alloy not selling. Almost everything at the moment. Sales appear to have gone from one extreme to the other. Mind you, did sell 75k worth of alloy, through a C.O.D. last week.

Wow, surprised you trusted a Cod, usually all of them are scams now. I'm trying to sell my stack of 150 Alloys at 6.8 each, but not budging at all and on a vendor with hardly any alloy on it.

How can you get scamed with a cod? Cant you see what it is before you confirm the deal? First time i heard that, if anything i think is the safest way to trade for a small fee.

People will sit on the email and it won't get returned to you for up to 30 days - that's the "scam".

Gold sinks(master writs/housing) siphoning gold out of the economy. Tempers dropping at a higher rate ATM.

Kay1 wrote: »

PC is so lucky, on console they were at 15k last time I saw it

I'd rather have them be that much ha so I can sell mine, but I heard last time on console it was like 8-10k now though

Integral1900 wrote: »

Prices have gone down because homestead has done exactly what it's meant to a syphoned huge amounts of gold out of the system, as a result the prices drop and the remaining gold effectively becomes more valuable, basic economics really

Housing has definitely caused a huge amount of deflation, it would be nice if we could get figures on how much gold is in game circulating on each platform. Some high level economic data would be cool, also BoE all items rather than BoP and we'd have a crazy awesome economy on our hands, this is a separate point though.

C.O.D is if anything a possible "scam" if that's what you want to call it for the seller. It has no repercussions for the buyer at all. Very safe to buy C.O.D. but risky to sell it.

@Rohamad_Ali

It may also be the shift toward light armor for mDKs. For a while there, most mDKs were wearing heavy armor- now you've got them flooding back to BSW and Desert Rose (or any other two light armor sets). You may want to invest in selling some Dreugh Wax (for light armor sets) or Rosin (for all those BSW/Silks of the Sun staves).

So you should BUY it while price is low. To sell it in future (may be Moro patch) when new equip will appiar or when ZOS will rise equip CP cap.