WalksonGraves wrote: »

This is what a warrior looks like

I do like the noble dress but I haven't figured out how my character is able to run without fainting with her waist cinched up tight like that.

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

So... where do you get those pink shorts I keep hearing about?

The Nordic Bather's Towel its a yellow drop from winter festival, you might be able to find it in guild traders if u lucky

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on a side note from last post I made, I did buy the Jester personality !!!!
and im freaking love it on my khajit with the crown

Okay, I have to admit the orc is a little frightening in his towel. You might want to color it a shade of blue so it matches his body art...... Less frightening that way.

People kept mistaking my beautiful High Elf for an Orc.

The crown is fine right now because it is festive, there is a festival going on.

I am an "options" person so think the more options the better. Don't have anything against customization.

A lot of popular online games have either a customization shop or a skinning community.

It could be worse. We could have Autobots versus Decepticons in Cyrodiil, with Allspark shards instead of scrolls.

And of course I would be a G1 Shockwave Stamplar. That's not even up for debate.

Ah, the OP, wanting everyone to conform to his (probably a him) rules. lol.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

... Or maybe if the costumes reduced your characters armor value while worn... so that if you do decide to go for the dancers sliks while fighting, your character gets no armor value at all, and if they wore the thieves leather, they would get up to maximum medium armor protection values, but not heavy...

That is the world's crappiest idea. Basically, you're saying people should be forced to display their ugly mismatched armor for fear of having their stats encrappened. (Yes, I just made up a word ... deal with it.)

How about people mind their own business and let others wear costumes? A lot of them look amazing.

ChaosWotan wrote: »

I got the crown. But if you like ESO to look silly, then go for it.

We went past that long ago.

Also why shouldn't a sorcerer or mage like character wear clothes? We're in a fantasy setting with wards and shield spells to protect ourselves.

You guys are actually defending the right to look patethic. Humanity never ceases to surprise.

Here is a summary of your main counterarguments so far:

1) ESO is fantasy, so realism doesn't matter

2) gamers are overstepping their boundaries if they tell others how to play

3) players are taking the game too seriously if they are opposed to silly and pathetic costumes in battle

It's pretty clear from the above that these critics are people which either like bad taste or don't care about it, and then they try to scramble together some random arguments in defence of bad taste and indifference. Because if these arguments are allowed to be applied generally in a game, it will lead to absurd consquences.

Firstly, if realism doesn't matter, then it's not possible to object if the devs introduce costumes from Star Wars, Winnie the Pooh, the Teletubbies and Spiderman.

Secondly, if some gamers are still objecting to unrealistic costumes, a person in a Luke Skywalker costume can just say: "stop telling others how to play".

Thirdly, if players are not taking the game seriously, what's the point of playing it? Even a player in a silly costume takes the game seriously on some level. But who should then decide where to set the boundary between "legit seriousness" and "too serious"? And how do you know that another gamer, who you have never met, actually takes the game "too seriously"? This accusation is just based on conjecture and assumptions.

The fact is that aesthetics will always be subjective in one way, in the sense that there will always be opposition between individuals who like the fine arts and those who are being labbeled as having "poor taste".

What complicates this picture is the existence of "camp art", a style which twists poor taste in such a way that it becomes fascinating. But one needs to be really creative in order to turn camp into art today. Camp and kitsch are so overused and mainstream that most of the people who are still into this kind of "irony" are now perceived as being unsophisticated and boring.

Wearing pink shorts and wedding dresses in battles is just dull irony. Been there, done that. Being pathetic is not cool, it's just cheesy.

As already mentioned earlier, I have never said that ESO should copy what Monty Python did 30-40 years ago. I said that if ESO wants to include irony and humour in the game, they should be as creative and shocking as MP once was. Actually make us laugh, instead of seeing something that is just "meh".

I'm not denying that some of the civilian costumes can be dyed and combined by a player in such a way that it looks okay. I'm only asking ESO to stop creating costumes that can be used by gamers who think it's "hilarious" and LOL to look pathetic. These players want the freedom to have a game with clowns, but there are also those of us who want the freedom to play the game without clowns.

Finally, some will now probably argue that this long text is proof that I take the game "too seriously". But that's an ad hominem argument which is not valid. What I do take seriously is aesthetics in general, and when starting a thread I usually take time to refute counterarguments.

My drunk tank wears his crown because he won it in the annual Tamriel drinking contest. Well, it was the annual Daggerfall drinking contest. Actually, it was a drinking contest with his guildies. Well... actually.... you know what, he thinks he won it in a contest, but it was a fake wooden crown painted up by his guild leader to make him feel better. She only told him it was a crown for winning a contest. So it's part of his story. Deal with it, he never takes that thing off. Even when taking a bath.

The fact that appearance and armour don't fit has bothered me in other games and I'd like to see it removed here aswell.
However as long as this doesn't happen, I use it to disguise myself in PvP. If you attack me, you'll never know if there is a velidreth proc waiting for you or just some annoyingly tanky templar behind that bath towel. And better not attack this char in shiny plate armour. It has very low resistances, but will burst you down if you ignore it for a moment.

@ListerJMC

If one changes the argument from realism to lore-friendly, then it will give more room for civilian clothing, but even within the lore of ESO it's not "realistic" that male orcs will play in wedding dresses or a Nord will show up in the battlefield dressed in pink shorts.

It's more realistic that a commander has a crown, but here is the main point of all my posts in this thread: the crown, and several of the other civilian costumes, should have looked cooler. Now the crown looks like a shiny toy item found in a cereal box. If the crown had been in wood, it might have looked better. But it looks fake, like plastic, without quality.

Translation: "oh noes, meh immersion"

#firstworldproblems

#whocares

OMG HOW DARE PEOPLE ACT UNPROFESSIONAL IN A VIDEO GAME! Proles! Riff raff! Troglodytes! How dare you share the same server as OP. Start a petition! We need an Executive Order! Did you think games were about having fun?! Hah!

You can go on (and on and on and on and on...) about your oh so superior taste and divine sense of aesthetics, but at the end of the day people are going to take a GAME seriously to different levels. ESO is a tiny part of my life. My point of playing it is to relax after a 10 hour work days. You're come across as yet another self important, privledged gamer wanting to impose YOUR ONE TRUE WAY on others.

Personally, my characters wear regular armors and I even have a consistent color scheme across all my characters. That's how I roll, personally. But seeing someone out fighting in the noble gown has zero affect on me. I can't imagine being so hypersensitive and fragile that it bothers me. Who cares? There's so little else in your world that this is your big issue?

@ChaosWotan Way back a couple years ago, gear dyeing was not in the game. Players were dissatisfied with the random puke yellow and such gear they had to wear. When dyeing was coming, there was a faction of the playerbase that feared players would swarm the servers with pink dyed armor prancing about. There was some of that as dyes were explored and it was new and funny to rock pink armor, dyed (haha, get it? dyed, died) down as folks got used to it. Some still wear it to be funny, some because they just like it, don't really see pink too often on the whole.

We still can't dye our christmas tree staves and ruby red swords because way back in time a certain dev was afraid we would all make our swords pink. Meanwhile, where's all the pink armor? How many people wear things like Cadwell's pot and the nordic bather's towel?... Well, more people than I see rocking straight pink, yellow or other bright colors. Except light blue, people love that shiny blue from MoL.

But why do people wear the costumes? Well, like above there's more than one view. Many just don't like the random mash of armor they have to wear when they use BiS gear, or spent lots of resources crafting gear that ended up not looking too great, or just like to change it up and don't want to gimp themselves carrying gear around to change appearance. Others do it to be funny. Does it matter? Frankly, no, no it doesn't. I'm personally of the opinion that less people would wear costumes if we had a way to use the appearance of other equipment.




But you don't actually care about any of that, do you? :3c