When are you going to realize we need 2 mega servers?

JamieAubrey · March 2017

OK then we need megaservers for the following:

Austria, Italy
Belgium, Latvia
Bulgaria, Lithuania
Croatia, Luxembourg
Cyprus, Malta
Czech Republic, Netherlands
Denmark, Poland
Estonia, Portugal
Finland, Romania
France, Slovakia
Germany, Slovenia
Greece, Spain
Hungary, Sweden
Ireland, United Kingdom

Rickter · March 2017

Maybe the OP is suggesting this because:

1) West Coast players are tired of trying to sync their schedules with primarily East Coast Guilds?

OR

2) PvPers are tired of "Night Caps" due to PvPers of opposite time zones?

has he stated? i didnt read page two. .

Reverb · March 2017

What would this accomplish that makes you think it's necessary? Why doesn't your statement of "need" address the negative impact of such a move?

Turelus · March 2017

Oh! I have a new idea.

Can we have a Commonwealth server? Only members of the commonwealth can connect, BRING BACK THE EMPIRE!

Danksta · March 2017

JamieAubrey wrote: »

OK then we need megaservers for the following:

Austria, Italy
Belgium, Latvia
Bulgaria, Lithuania
Croatia, Luxembourg
Cyprus, Malta
Czech Republic, Netherlands
Denmark, Poland
Estonia, Portugal
Finland, Romania
France, Slovakia
Germany, Slovenia
Greece, Spain
Hungary, Sweden
Ireland, United Kingdom

*** the southern hemisphere!

firerapture · March 2017

No. No we don't.

DurzoBlint13 · March 2017

I still want to know WHY OP feels we need more servers? ....also, no we do not, that is what they have instances for.

Turelus · March 2017

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

I still want to know WHY OP feels we need more servers? ....also, no we do not, that is what they have instances for.

@DurzoBlint13 my guess is the following.

OP is in PvP.
OP runs through Cyrodiil looking at the wonderful rolling green hills and blue skies. As OP is taking in the view they see a corn flower growing in the wild and stops to pick it, but as OP lets their guard down to pick the flower something terrible happens.

A Nightblade comes out of nowhere, Lotus Fan! Cloak, Concealed Weapon! OP is stunned, unable to act and gets in a panic, breaking free and hitting the buttons they know to be true OP fights back, but OH NO! OP was on the wrong bar, the wrong skills go off and instead of fighting back with vengeance OP flails around like an idiot.

Suddenly it's all over, a quick Soul Harvest and two Impales later and OP is dead, the death recap asking if the OP knew potions can be slotted and used to restore resources.

OP sits with a cold numbness flooding their whole body, why were they on the wrong bar, they swore they switched bar.

Then OP sees it, down in the bottom left of the screen. Ping: 114.

It was the server latency, once again living on the wrong side of the United States has been the cause of OP's death, and with that small bit of knowledge a red haze colours OP's vision.

IF ONLY WE HAD A SERVER FOR EACH SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES! OP screams, then it comes to OP in a flash of inspiration, the forums, if they asked on the forums then they would surely get a backing and start a movement for that <60 ping server to play on.

And so we find ourselves here, in this thread after what is a long yet enlightening tale of events.

Im_So_Tanked · March 2017

No. No we don't.

DurzoBlint13 · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

I still want to know WHY OP feels we need more servers? ....also, no we do not, that is what they have instances for.

@DurzoBlint13 my guess is the following.

OP is in PvP.
OP runs through Cyrodiil looking at the wonderful rolling green hills and blue skies. As OP is taking in the view they see a corn flower growing in the wild and stops to pick it, but as OP lets their guard down to pick the flower something terrible happens.

A Nightblade comes out of nowhere, Lotus Fan! Cloak, Concealed Weapon! OP is stunned, unable to act and gets in a panic, breaking free and hitting the buttons they know to be true OP fights back, but OH NO! OP was on the wrong bar, the wrong skills go off and instead of fighting back with vengeance OP flails around like an idiot.

Suddenly it's all over, a quick Soul Harvest and two Impales later and OP is dead, the death recap asking if the OP knew potions can be slotted and used to restore resources.

OP sits with a cold numbness flooding their whole body, why were they on the wrong bar, they swore they switched bar.

Then OP sees it, down in the bottom left of the screen. Ping: 114.

It was the server latency, once again living on the wrong side of the United States has been the cause of OP's death, and with that small bit of knowledge a red haze colours OP's vision.

IF ONLY WE HAD A SERVER FOR EACH SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES! OP screams, then it comes to OP in a flash of inspiration, the forums, if they asked on the forums then they would surely get a backing and start a movement for that <60 ping server to play on.

And so we find ourselves here, in this thread after what is a long yet enlightening tale of events.

LMFAO. nicely done!

Elsonso · March 2017

Nestor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You do know that the Mega Servers are hosted by Amazon Web Services. A platform that allows for and facilitates adding more server capacity as needed, on the fly, with no time consuming infrastructure changes. With that in place, what would splitting up the servers between east and west accomplish? Nothing.

I did not know this, well, maybe more servers is not the answer, What would help stability and functioning of the game then?

No. I think ESO is still hosted on dedicated hardware, owned or leased by ZOS, located in Germany and Texas. It is not a cloud game. I am not sure what @Nestor is referring to.

@lordrichter

Cloud is just a metaphor for the Internet, anything done in the internet is done in the cloud. I can't find the ZOS news article that talks about this (or maybe it was a Dev Post), but AWS has server farms all over the world, including Texas. They offer scalable server platforms to many companies. This is why ZOS was able to increase the capacity so quickly when they launched. If this was dedicated server space, more on that in a moment, was because of AWS. You need more blades, you make a phone call, or send an email. If this was dedicated space in a data center, your looking at weeks, probably months to increase server space with ordering times, racking, powering and cooling concerns, etc. I have been designing networks into data centers, colo's and the like for the past 3 years, time frames on these projects are maddening to say the least.

Just because AWS hosts something does not mean its a "cloud service" in the lay sense. It also does not mean that AWS controls the servers, they are dedicated to ESO just like a house you rent is dedicated to you.

Ok. I know what AWS is, and what cloud is, but a lot of people don't. I thought you were talking about a distributed setup, since once people find out what a CDN is, that is what they think. It is the context that I usually see AWS, and it makes absolutely no sense in the context of ESO. I was confused. My mistake.

I don't think that ZOS servers are using AWS. I have also ruled out some other companies. Top contenders are actually Level 3 and AT&T.

In any case, by positioning the server in Dallas, they are able to cover both East and West United States. Japan also uses the Dallas megaservers, which may be due to the fact that there is a 1.28 Tbit/s fiber link between Japan and US.

No, we do not need to split NA. If anything, I would like to see PC/Mac, XBox, and PS4 merge into a single megaserver.

Lord_Eomer · March 2017

PVP is screwed in its current state, lot of auto kicks from server and long loading times while teleport b/w keeps..

They should have dedicated PVP server!

Uriel_Nocturne · March 2017

I'm just shocked that this has made it to three pages...

Turelus · March 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm just shocked that this has made it to three pages...

Shocked people keep bumping or shocked it's not locked?

Because threads like this generally attract a lot of posts due to "WTF" factor.

Nestor · March 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

I don't think that ZOS servers are using AWS. I have also ruled out some other companies. Top contenders are actually Level 3 and AT&T.

If anything, I would like to see PC/Mac, XBox, and PS4 merge into a single megaserver.

I know I have seen posts on this from Devs, now they may have moved off of AWS, but they were certainly on there at launch. I have trace routed it in the past and seen AWS. I don't have the current IP and the one I have gave me odd results (ending up in CA)

Anyway, enough about the mythical server farm.

I do agree that it would be be great to have all platforms on one server and we could all play together. That would be something.

idk · March 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You do know that the Mega Servers are hosted by Amazon Web Services. A platform that allows for and facilitates adding more server capacity as needed, on the fly, with no time consuming infrastructure changes. With that in place, what would splitting up the servers between east and west accomplish? Nothing.

I did not know this, well, maybe more servers is not the answer, What would help stability and functioning of the game then?

No. I think ESO is still hosted on dedicated hardware, owned or leased by ZOS, located in Germany and Texas. It is not a cloud game. I am not sure what @Nestor is referring to.

The server locations are correct. I've not heard of them moving.

Rex-Umbra · March 2017

Stupid suggestion seriously. The game makes multiple instances and that works well.

seaef · March 2017

Nestor wrote: »

You do know that the Mega Servers are hosted by Amazon Web Services. A platform that allows for and facilitates adding more server capacity as needed, on the fly, with no time consuming infrastructure changes. With that in place, what would splitting up the servers between east and west accomplish? Nothing.

Have you seen Amazon's AWS pricing model? You could put yourself in the poor-house without realizing it and still accomplish nothing. ;-)

Nestor · March 2017

postlarval wrote: »

Have you seen Amazon's AWS pricing model? You could put yourself in the poor-house without realizing it and still accomplish nothing. ;-)

Have you priced out a server farm? Powering and Cooling? Cross Connects? Staff to maintain the server farms? None of this stuff is cheap. Every time I get a quote from a Data Center for racking and stacking and powering a single piece of gear I tell myself I am in the wrong business.

Bouldercleave · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

I still want to know WHY OP feels we need more servers? ....also, no we do not, that is what they have instances for.

@DurzoBlint13 my guess is the following.

OP is in PvP.
OP runs through Cyrodiil looking at the wonderful rolling green hills and blue skies. As OP is taking in the view they see a corn flower growing in the wild and stops to pick it, but as OP lets their guard down to pick the flower something terrible happens.

A Nightblade comes out of nowhere, Lotus Fan! Cloak, Concealed Weapon! OP is stunned, unable to act and gets in a panic, breaking free and hitting the buttons they know to be true OP fights back, but OH NO! OP was on the wrong bar, the wrong skills go off and instead of fighting back with vengeance OP flails around like an idiot.

Suddenly it's all over, a quick Soul Harvest and two Impales later and OP is dead, the death recap asking if the OP knew potions can be slotted and used to restore resources.

OP sits with a cold numbness flooding their whole body, why were they on the wrong bar, they swore they switched bar.

Then OP sees it, down in the bottom left of the screen. Ping: 114.

It was the server latency, once again living on the wrong side of the United States has been the cause of OP's death, and with that small bit of knowledge a red haze colours OP's vision.

IF ONLY WE HAD A SERVER FOR EACH SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES! OP screams, then it comes to OP in a flash of inspiration, the forums, if they asked on the forums then they would surely get a backing and start a movement for that <60 ping server to play on.

And so we find ourselves here, in this thread after what is a long yet enlightening tale of events.

Great synopsis!

If this is ANYWHERE near accurate (and it just may be) Wouldn't simply another Cyrodil campaign solve it better than a whole new server?

Frawr · March 2017

MAEK wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Well seeing as us UK folk are going to be leaving the EU over the next couple of years can we have a UK and EU server split as well?

You're leaving the EU, not Europe. Unless, wait... Are moving Great Britain into the middle of the Atlantic?! It's a conspiracy!!! (Mods, please don't send an assassin from the brootherhood at me).

Based on the amount of QQ, you'd think that the UK is moving to Mars.

Woopy · March 2017

is it really a megaserver if there's two on the same region though?

Violynne · March 2017

Wouldn't they first have to build two mega restaurants?

Think of the mega tips!

Egonieser · March 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Maybe the OP is suggesting this because:

1) West Coast players are tired of trying to sync their schedules with primarily East Coast Guilds?

OR

2) PvPers are tired of "Night Caps" due to PvPers of opposite time zones?

has he stated? i didnt read page two. .

Why is it a bad thing that a server is populated 24/7? There is no need for dedicated "peak" hours and "night" hours. It's best when a peak hour is all day around so when you hop in at any time of the day - you have someone to play with instead of waiting for that magic moment when people on your meridian finish work/school...
Just because one person goes to sleep doesn't mean the game world has to stop functioning and wait for them to get up again.
And what are referred to as night cappers - they are maybe playing at their peak times and when you play - you are the night capper, making yourself exactly into the person you complain about. (Not talking to YOU personally @Rickter, just generalising).

kargen27 · March 2017

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

If the 2nd server had PvP in all zones, then yes.

no

Chairo_Kuma · March 2017

NOPE

seaef · March 2017

Nestor wrote: »

postlarval wrote: »

Have you seen Amazon's AWS pricing model? You could put yourself in the poor-house without realizing it and still accomplish nothing. ;-)

Have you priced out a server farm? Powering and Cooling? Cross Connects? Staff to maintain the server farms? None of this stuff is cheap. Every time I get a quote from a Data Center for racking and stacking and powering a single piece of gear I tell myself I am in the wrong business.

I'm well aware of the cost, but that's not the issue. AWS has the most ridiculous concept of what can only be described as 'microtransactions' that can be very confusing. It is quite easy to confuse a customer into spending more than they intended or get more space/CPU time/throughput than needed due to the model. MMOs could learn a thing or two about nickel-and-diming customers from Amazon.

Tasear · March 2017

Peak hours being unplayable or just ugly. As the population increases, the people notice there is an issue. Is the severs or code behind them. All we know there is an issue.

Nestor · March 2017

postlarval wrote: »

AWS has the most ridiculous concept of what can only be described as 'microtransactions' that can be very confusing. It is quite easy to confuse a customer into spending more than they intended or get more space/CPU time/throughput than needed due to the model. MMOs could learn a thing or two about nickel-and-diming customers from Amazon.

So do Data Centers. I was being charged, $1200 a month, plus a $1200 one time fee to run a jumper 60 feet through a panduit tray. For a jumper that costs $50, and takes 10 minutes to install, even with cleaning. What blasted me was the $1200 a month...Won't even mention the inter-floor jumper that went up a riser.

Anyway, we don't know the prices that are ultimately charged, if they are ala cart, or one price as each contract can be unique and negotiated. But, yep, they tend to want to charge for everything, and some is charged so the customer is encourage to do themselves, like some maintenance activities or smart hand activities, they would rather the customers do that, so they put high fees on so they will. It is really easy to get roped into being the customer's troubleshooter, when all the facilities people need to make sure of is there is power and cooling and connections.

Tornaad · March 2017

Honestly I think it would be cool if we could somehow get a joint console/PC server. I imagine that legal garbage would prevent it from being done, but I still think it would be cool to see how console players rank up against PC players.