Cost reduction nerf (Please Lock)

Massive_Stain · March 2017

What's this I here on the tube about CP nerfs coming? @ZOS_GinaBruno?

Specifically taking out the magic cost reduction by 16% option from CP?

DannyLV702 · March 2017

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

DannyLV702 wrote: »

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

How about a link then

Splattercat_83 · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

How about a link then

Or a search?

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

How about a link then

Or a search?

Or a troll

Turelus · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

How about a link then

Or a search?

Or a troll

No really, there have been a bunch of threads on this already.

Main Thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/328864/warlord-and-magician-cp-being-removed-in-morrowind

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329214/solution-for-the-possible-upcoming-cp-change-cost-reduction
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329594/my-hopes-with-the-cp-changes
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329313/cp-removal-of-regen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329057/cp-nerf
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/328596/future-cp-change

Magdalina · March 2017

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And all it took was about 3 mouseclicks

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Right, lets just act like we're better than anyone else who wants to discuss the nerf like a bunch of snowflakes. I got news for you folks, if its not on page one, its not being talked about.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

How about a link then

Or a search?

Or a troll

No really, there have been a bunch of threads on this already.

Main Thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/328864/warlord-and-magician-cp-being-removed-in-morrowind

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329214/solution-for-the-possible-upcoming-cp-change-cost-reduction
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329594/my-hopes-with-the-cp-changes
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329313/cp-removal-of-regen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329057/cp-nerf
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/328596/future-cp-change

I really appreciate actual helpfulness.

Magdalina wrote: »

One

Two

Three

Four

And all it took was about 3 mouseclicks

Im on a cellphone. I literally just searched and came up with nothing. The snarkiness on this circle jerk forum is so toxic.

Berenhir · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Right, lets just act like we're better than anyone else who wants to discuss the nerf like a bunch of snowflakes. I got news for you folks, if its not on page one, its not being talked about.

So that's the fake news everybody talks about nowadays?

Massive_Stain · March 2017

I dunno. I asked a valid question, and a pack of hyenas showed up.

Jitterbug · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

I dunno. I asked a valid question, and a pack of hyenas showed up.

They're just farming agrees. You can't ask an honest question on these boards without someone linking a very clever letmegooglethatforyou. They don't seem to mind the fact that they could have answered the question in the same time and start farming insightfuls in stead.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

I dunno. I asked a valid question, and a pack of hyenas showed up.

They're just farming agrees. You can't ask an honest question on these boards without someone linking a very clever letmegooglethatforyou. They don't seem to mind the fact that they could have answered the question in the same time and start farming insightfuls in stead.

Pretty sad right? I mean, instead of discussing something, they need to fill that void by acting superior to someone who got their information from alcast video last night.

I don't come on these forums anymore, because the first responders on posts usually just want to be mean and spiteful towards others. They don't want to help. And you're right, they just want badges and checkmark like this is Reddit or something.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

By the way, you got an awesome from me.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Lock the thread @ZOS_GinaBruno I'm done here

Turelus · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Lock the thread ZOS_GinaBruno I'm done here

Just report you own thread (hover over your OP and click report next to quote) and ask for moderation to lock the thread as it's finished it's reason for being open.

They should (not always) give it a lock for you.

Asmael · March 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

I dunno. I asked a valid question, and a pack of hyenas showed up.

They're just farming agrees. You can't ask an honest question on these boards without someone linking a very clever letmegooglethatforyou. They don't seem to mind the fact that they could have answered the question in the same time and start farming insightfuls in stead.

Expectations must sometimes be filled

Altho, to be honest, going thru Google when we have a search option... Meh. Looking for "CP cost reduction removal", the most popular and recent topic on the matter "Warlord and Magician CP being removed in Morrowind" appears on the first page, but it's like the 8th or 9th link. WTB activity / popularity factors for the search option.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Asmael wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

I dunno. I asked a valid question, and a pack of hyenas showed up.

They're just farming agrees. You can't ask an honest question on these boards without someone linking a very clever letmegooglethatforyou. They don't seem to mind the fact that they could have answered the question in the same time and start farming insightfuls in stead.

Expectations must sometimes be filled

Altho, to be honest, going thru Google when we have a search option... Meh. Looking for "CP cost reduction removal", the most popular and recent topic on the matter "Warlord and Magician CP being removed in Morrowind" appears on the first page, but it's like the 8th or 9th link. WTB activity / popularity factors for the search option.

No ***, Sherlock.

ifDoubtNerfIt · March 2017

The amount of toxicity in this thread is beyond resonable levels, even for this forum.

Massive_Stain · March 2017

Want some agrees? That's why people come here.

ifDoubtNerfIt · March 2017

ugh... @Cyphdad @Sundarah can we get a lock here?

Turelus · March 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

I dunno. I asked a valid question, and a pack of hyenas showed up.

They're just farming agrees. You can't ask an honest question on these boards without someone linking a very clever letmegooglethatforyou. They don't seem to mind the fact that they could have answered the question in the same time and start farming insightfuls in stead.

It's sad that now when I actually link searches or Google or ask people to do it I have to explain I am not being rude, but don't have the time to compile a full answer with the links I know are there.

Bobby_V_Rockit · March 2017

I'm more curious about what they're doing to other stars in the CP trees since we fairly convinced that warlodnand magician are being replaced, what ELSE are they up to?

Massive_Stain · March 2017

That's a good point. 16% cost reduction is negligible for stam characters with Vicious Ophidian 5 piece, but everyone else will feel it. As far as I know, mag players do not have the VO equivalent. Seducer doesn't offer enough crit or spell damage to compete.

Instead of the nerf train, why not buff more things. People like to see their power increase, not decrease. At least in PVE.

ifDoubtNerfIt · March 2017

1) look at my name <-
2) seducer not, but Worm with for example Bloodthorn yes.

People have to learn that if they want end-game gameplay, they have to accept the constant shifting of the meta. That's really how it works in every single MMO

EDIT: I understand that people like to brag about their ePenis size, but still, you can't have it all.

Turelus · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

That's a good point. 16% cost reduction is negligible for stam characters with Vicious Ophidian 5 piece, but everyone else will feel it. As far as I know, mag players do not have the VO equivalent. Seducer doesn't offer enough crit or spell damage to compete.

Instead of the nerf train, why not buff more things. People like to see their power increase, not decrease. At least in PVE.

Rich said on ESO Live last week these changes are in hopes of getting back to resource management being part of the game. They're not happy right now with the fact people never run out of resources and have super damage.

It seems they have an idea what they want from the game regarding builds/balance and this is the first of many changes to get it there.

That said Rich also said this is still WIP and nothing is final.

DannyLV702 · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

No new thread was needed. Plenty of threads out there with the answer.

How about a link then

Well the reason I didn't link is was because there was already one on the very front page with almost 800 comments on it. I wasn't being an ass, I just figured you'd probably check once I said there were some out there.

Magdalina · March 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Im on a cellphone. I literally just searched and came up with nothing. The snarkiness on this circle jerk forum is so toxic.

You got a response in the same fashion that you were talking o.O What's the issue with that one? This is not trying to be rude, this is genuinely being surprised.

That topic was either on first or second page of the Gener Discussion section when you asked...not like this really matters much but it's weird to see such an overreaction here.

JinMori · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

That's a good point. 16% cost reduction is negligible for stam characters with Vicious Ophidian 5 piece, but everyone else will feel it. As far as I know, mag players do not have the VO equivalent. Seducer doesn't offer enough crit or spell damage to compete.

Instead of the nerf train, why not buff more things. People like to see their power increase, not decrease. At least in PVE.

Rich said on ESO Live last week these changes are in hopes of getting back to resource management being part of the game. They're not happy right now with the fact people never run out of resources and have super damage.

It seems they have an idea what they want from the game regarding builds/balance and this is the first of many changes to get it there.

That said Rich also said this is still WIP and nothing is final.

I think that sadly it pretty much is final. Also if you run full damage setup you will run out of resources in a blink of an eye, Highly coordinated groups will not have many problems with this nerf, but uncoordinated groups will be thrashed.

They said lover the ceiling (which i don't agree with) and raise the floor, but they lowered the floor underground, good job keep it up.....

This is a stupid change in all senses, and the people have spoken and they don't like it. I would be worried zos if i were you. Because when morrowind launches you could actually lose many players, and the fault will be only yours.

If you wanna nerf heavy armor sustain, just nerf constitution.

ADarklore · March 2017

They are wanting to nerf players who are stacking Damage glyphs in their jewelry... ZOS knows how many players are doing this, it would be an easy query to discover through searching their database... they see all these players stacking damage glyphs, you check almost any build sites and they almost all tell players to put damage glyphs in jewerly... Wrobel said months ago that players needed to start using Cost Reduction glyphs to help with resource management- but nobody listened because CP passives gave a huge Cost Reduction allowing massive sustain while also allowing damage stackers high damage. They want to reduce the damage ceiling and bring back resource management to the game, thus, they are killing two birds with one stone with this change... they are forcing damage glyph stackers to make the decision between high damage or sustain... why is this a bad thing? It will also force players to run the proper armor- for additional cost reduction/regen.

Doctordarkspawn · March 2017

JinMori wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

That's a good point. 16% cost reduction is negligible for stam characters with Vicious Ophidian 5 piece, but everyone else will feel it. As far as I know, mag players do not have the VO equivalent. Seducer doesn't offer enough crit or spell damage to compete.

Instead of the nerf train, why not buff more things. People like to see their power increase, not decrease. At least in PVE.

Rich said on ESO Live last week these changes are in hopes of getting back to resource management being part of the game. They're not happy right now with the fact people never run out of resources and have super damage.

It seems they have an idea what they want from the game regarding builds/balance and this is the first of many changes to get it there.

That said Rich also said this is still WIP and nothing is final.

I think that sadly it pretty much is final. Also if you run full damage setup you will run out of resources in a blink of an eye, Highly coordinated groups will not have many problems with this nerf, but uncoordinated groups will be thrashed.

They said lover the ceiling (which i don't agree with) and raise the floor, but they lowered the floor underground, good job keep it up.....

This is a stupid change in all senses, and the people have spoken and they don't like it. I would be worried zos if i were you. Because when morrowind launches you could actually lose many players, and the fault will be only yours.

If you wanna nerf heavy armor sustain, just nerf constitution.

Their not happy with how everyone has sustain and super high damage, despite DESIGNING THE LATEST DUNGEONS SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

Dis is gr8 logic.