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Ebon or Plague Doctor?
Gordon906
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I have had bad experience with ebon armory after spending weeks farming it. One group in the veteran argonian ruin dugeon was compalining about my 30k health because the poison attacks in chudan keeps killing me. Should I go plague doctor instead of ebon so I have 5k more health since people at ungreatful about me giving them extra health? Wearing the ebon really man my stats look bad so should i switch?
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Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ebon definitly and your health wasnt what was getting you killed vs chudan it was the mechanics, you should be able to do all endgame content with 27k health.
Plague doctor is an overkill unless you are a blazing shield templarEdited by Bigevilpeter on March 21, 2017 4:32PM24 -
RapidUrsa✭✭✭✭Ebon if you play with a group is a hands down must! I would say Plague Doctor of you play solo and prioritise HealthAbout MeXbox One - EU
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Gordon906✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Ebon definitly and your health wasnt what was getting you killed vs chudan it was the mechanics, you should be able to do all endgame content with 27k health.
Plague doctor is an overkill unless you are a blazing shield templar
Yea I guess I'm a pointless tank with extra health still hanging while all my team mates are dead.2 -
RapidUrsa✭✭✭✭If you have problems surviving with 30k health either get more resistance or the healer wasn't doing there job!About MeXbox One - EU
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✭If you have problems surviving with 30k health either get more resistance or the healer wasn't doing there job!
Or the tank was not familiar with the mechanics, aka standing in stupid.
Ebon helps out every group member, so it's definitely worth it.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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✭✭✭Ebon>other HP sets.
Also don't worry about your resistance, I play with about the same and I've tanked all there is to tank. I do swap some of my set ups around for some HM Trials but that is for when you get to that point when you start doing them.3 -
ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭Imagine it this way, is it easier to cut a piece of meat or a piece of metal ?
Either hard cap resistance or blame healer, or if you really struggle with that dungeon, spam shields.Edited by ifDoubtNerfIt on March 21, 2017 4:45PM2 -
FlyLionel✭✭✭✭Try not to rely on a healer. Ever; as a tank. Vigor/igneous/greenblood is enough. Unless in vet trials you must rely, also 30k health is all you need. MAX.
Edit: Armor cap is around 35k and I stress, if anyone says you need more than 30k health; they have never tanked before. Mazzatuns bosses rip through the tank. Igneous up before the attack and vigor before the attack and when you get half health just green dragon blood or vigor again+dodgeroll. You can afford to be mobile and a crazy tank on many bosses in vet dungeons; meaning dodgerolling and heavy attacking all the time. If you are on ps4 Na we can try it out.Edited by FlyLionel on March 21, 2017 4:47PMThe Flyers5 -
Gordon906✭✭✭And forgot mention that people were complaning about me because I didn't have 30k resist and 40k health1
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HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭30-33k health is the sweet spot for tanking. You really don't need more than that.
It's more about the mechanics and the L2P issues. You need to block Chudan's heavy attacks; that's his spit and his cleave.
So with that, Ebon is still going to be better than Plague Doctor. Even then, I don't really recommend Ebon for vet dungeons; I much prefer Tava's. I only use Ebon in vet trials.Edited by HatchetHaro on March 21, 2017 4:48PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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✭✭✭Resistance is the most overrated stat in the game for tanks, there are tons of ways to get mitigation and the difference you get from being 30k resist vs 25k resist is not big AT ALL for your total mitigation. And most tanks don't run with more than 30k HP unless they got some niche HP build for Igneous shields or what not.3 -
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You are overstacking spell resistance, better put those points somewhere more useful.Edited by ifDoubtNerfIt on March 21, 2017 5:10PM0 -
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✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »
You are overstacking spell resistance (exeding hard cap), better put those points somewhere more useful (hard cap is ~30k)
IIRC it's actually a soft cap at 32.5k.
But resistances aren't really that important. As long as you're above 25k buffed, you're fine. Heck, I usually tank without a resistance buff, so it's all at ~20k for me, and I've completed all vet dungeons on HM like that.Edited by HatchetHaro on March 21, 2017 5:00PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭Ebon, group buffs > selfish buffs as a tank.- - -
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ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »
You are overstacking spell resistance (exeding hard cap), better put those points somewhere more useful (hard cap is ~30k)
IIRC it's actually a soft cap at 32.5k.
But resistances aren't really that important. As long as you're above 25k buffed, you're fine. Heck, I usually tank without a resistance buff, so it's all at ~20k for me, and I've completed all vet dungeoms on HM like that.
yeah, you're right, but still, he overstacks :P
well, true, non-trials are really forgiving.Ebon, group buffs > selfish buffs as a tank.
A guild mate of my is running his DK tank with Armor Master, Warden and Plague in vTrials and vDungeons. And let me tell you something, healers really don't like to run with him. Plus on that, he's using Standard and Magma Shell as ultis. His reason why he does that is that he doesn't want to rely on anyone nor anything.Edited by ifDoubtNerfIt on March 21, 2017 5:06PM2 -
pizzaow✭✭✭✭Chudan protip: if you're a DK run reflective scales. You will reflect the poison back at him! Not only will you avoid the damage but it will hit him for close to 100K!XBox/NA GT: Pizzaow19 -
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✭✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »
You are overstacking spell resistance, better put those points somewhere more useful.HatchetHaro wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »
You are overstacking spell resistance (exeding hard cap), better put those points somewhere more useful (hard cap is ~30k)
IIRC it's actually a soft cap at 32.5k.
But resistances aren't really that important. As long as you're above 25k buffed, you're fine. Heck, I usually tank without a resistance buff, so it's all at ~20k for me, and I've completed all vet dungeons on HM like that.
There is no soft cap at all, as a side note thou the Hard cap is 33,100. Some say its 33,000 and others say its 33,500 but its not true. Also as a DK you will ALWAYS have higher spell resistance than physical cause of the DK's Passive, Scaled Armor.ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »HatchetHaro wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »
You are overstacking spell resistance (exeding hard cap), better put those points somewhere more useful (hard cap is ~30k)
IIRC it's actually a soft cap at 32.5k.
But resistances aren't really that important. As long as you're above 25k buffed, you're fine. Heck, I usually tank without a resistance buff, so it's all at ~20k for me, and I've completed all vet dungeoms on HM like that.
yeah, you're right, but still, he overstacks :P
well, true, non-trials are really forgiving.Ebon, group buffs > selfish buffs as a tank.
A guild mate of my is running his DK tank with Armor Master, Warden and Plague in vTrials and vDungeons. And let me tell you something, healers really don't like to run with him. Plus on that, he's using Standard and Magma Shell as ultis. His reason why he does that is that he doesn't want to rely on anyone nor anything.
Tanks that can't trust their group and doesn't synergies with them and go for a super selfish build will never go far. I know many groups/guilds that would not let someone with that kind of mentality run with them. Trials are a team effort and you got to trust what your teammates are doing or you end up trying to do everyone's job and nothing would go well doing that.6 -
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✭✭✭✭As DK just flap wings a couple of times during the spit channel. It negates all damage and returns it to Chudan. I've seen it crit for 150K. On other classes use the 1H+S ult to do the same thing. Tanked that with 22k health on my magical sorc and had no trouble.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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The hard cap for both is 33k. Just a heads up
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Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I have had bad experience with ebon armory after spending weeks farming it. One group in the veteran argonian ruin dugeon was compalining about my 30k health because the poison attacks in chudan keeps killing me. Should I go plague doctor instead of ebon so I have 5k more health since people at ungreatful about me giving them extra health? Wearing the ebon really man my stats look bad so should i switch?
On vet (and especialy on vet hm), I've found that while Chudan herself doesn't hurt that much, the Chudan shadow the boss spawns will kill pretty much ANY tank unless you get BoL spammed. By that I mean she kills my 43k templar with 16k blazing shield spammed on top within seconds. It's stupid strong. One thing you can do is dodge - it will follow you but it'll take it time so you'll avoid a few ticks. I've survived it with healer down a few times by dodging one or two times, spamming shield while having dmg reduction ulti on top and popping pot and I was still at like 5% health when it was over. If you die there it's hands down your healer's fault(unless you missed your block and literaly got one-shot with first spit tick, then yeah). Personally I find this part really dumb but it is what it is.
In all seriousness it depends on people you run with and the style of tanking you prefer. There's a rather solid DK tank build with ~70k health for example, I've run into a guy using it recently and he isn't having many sustain issues somehow, is providing op groupshield and is pretty much never getting one-shot. A blazeplar is also a pretty solid tanking build. Resource management does get more challenging with resource pools(other than health) as low as they are if you go health+regen only pretty much. But at the same time missing a block/interrupt/dodge or having a healer go down is more forgiving and you have more time to react before dying usually. But if you are not interested in these kinds of builds, honestly ~25k should be enough to tank all vet dungeons at the very least. It's just a question of your own reflexes and, in some cases, timely heals. There're really few hard heal checks left now but Chudan's spit is one of them.Chudan protip: if you're a DK run reflective scales. You will reflect the poison back at him! Not only will you avoid the damage but it will hit him for close to 100K!
Does that work on Chudan ad on last boss fight (in vet hm)? Pretty sure I've gotten rekt there through Spell Wall before.0 -
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I've never tried Spell Wall, but I can confirm that reflective scales work on conjured chudan during the last boss fight too (ran it last night, vet but not hm)... I forgot and ate some poison the first time, but reflected the second spit. The tooltip seems to be the same between spell wall and reflective scales, so I'd assume it was at least designed to reflect (especially if it reflects correctly during the regular chudan boss fight). Although, it could be an additional hard-mode only mechanic...Does that work on Chudan ad on last boss fight (in vet hm)? Pretty sure I've gotten rekt there through Spell Wall before.
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I've never tried Spell Wall, but I can confirm that reflective scales work on conjured chudan during the last boss fight too (ran it last night, vet but not hm)... I forgot and ate some poison the first time, but reflected the second spit. The tooltip seems to be the same between spell wall and reflective scales, so I'd assume it was at least designed to reflect (especially if it reflects correctly during the regular chudan boss fight). Although, it could be an additional hard-mode only mechanic...Does that work on Chudan ad on last boss fight (in vet hm)? Pretty sure I've gotten rekt there through Spell Wall before.
Man, this info, you just decreased the amount of wipes people get by ALOT!0 -
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✭I use both. but I'm a scrub and like having the 40k health
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