Master crafting writs not balanced

rentalman UK · March 2017

Since the introduction of Master crafting writs there seems to be no balance

Eg truly superb glyph of stamina cost 1 kuta 6k receives 2 writ vouchers

Craft legendry shield prosperous cost 8 rosin 6k each 48k writ vouchers 10

I as you can see there is no balance cost of manufacture is far greater than the reward.

A friend of mine also had a legendry sword 8 alloys 120k value writ vouchers 18

Why would you do them if they have a negative cost

On the other hand some lucky players get
Create a legendry sword and got 327 vouchers cost of mats 120k reward well balanced as u can but a 8 crafting station and sell for 100k each so more than balanced for that person and a pleasant reward for completing the master writ

The question I ask now is should the lower Master writs eg use hakejo and temp give 2 vouchers or at least 6 to balance cost against production with a gain for achievements

Where rosin is required 25 plus vouchers to again manufacture balance and profit

I ask this as it will be soon that people will no longer have the mats in inventory and the reward will hinder the completion as cost out ways the reward

What are your thoughts

Writ rewards fair or need tweaking

Banana · March 2017

Agree. Im pretty sure noboby at ZOS actually does any crafting otherwise they might have an idea as to what some things cost.

Khenarthi · March 2017

All the enchanting writs I got with Kuta gave me 5 or 6 vouchers back. The ones for 2 vouchers require only Rekuta.

Equipment writs with Legendary materials (rosin, tempering alloy, wax) award about 44 vouchers. You get 18 vouchers or so for purple items with the Nirnhoned trait, and a ton of vouchers when you get the magic combo (legendary, nirnhoned, rare style) for 140+ vouchers. You say a friend of yours got a 327 voucher? Could he have been exagerating?

I'm not saying I would not like more vouchers... but if you post something, at least make sure it's not misinformation.

SolarCat02 · March 2017

@Khenarthi
I have a master writ for a legendary shield (8 trait set, prosperous, Nord) worth 10 writ vouchers, so no, they are not worth "at least 44 vouchers". In fact, of the four I got that used legendary materials (not counting enchanting Kuta here), one was 74, two were 34, and then of course my woodworking worth 10.

Things that raise the writ voucher total, in my observations:
- Legendary
- Nirnhoned
- 9-trait
- "rare" motif

If you get all four, you get the 300+ vouchers. If it only asks for one of the above, you get a very small amount of writ vouchers. It also doesn't care how many traits if it's less than 9, because 2-trait and 8-trait sets seem to offer the same amount. The "rare" motif list is also somewhat arbitrary, as Celestial seems to be on it but Akaviri and Ancient Orc are not considered rare enough to boost your writ voucher reward quantity.

Khenarthi · March 2017

@SolarCat02 I apologise then, luckily for me the few writs I got asking for legendary materials were all 40-50 vouchers each. Possibly because they asked for 6-8 trait sets. Too get a 2-trait item set in a common style and legendary is extremely bad rng and not really worth doing (like the provisioning writs asking for 8 Ambrosia for 10 vouchers...) hopefully it does not happen often.

I have not been lucky enough to get a writ worth over 150 vouchers yet.

Cêltic421 · March 2017

A 300+ voucher reward from a writ? I'd like to see a screen shot. The most I've ever seen was 160ish. 300+ vouchers from one writ seems idk too much. Homestead has to last till June. So I doubt ZoS will give us more vouchers. Tempering Alloy going for 7-10k now on PS4 so prices are MUCH cheaper than what they use to be. On PS4 atleast. These are master crafter writs, not everyone will be able to make what ever is being asked to be made. If you're a serious crafter then most likely you would have most of the motifs already and are a 9 trait crafter or close to it. Depending on how long you've been crafting.

I haven't had much luck getting master writs. And when I do it's only 2-7 writs and one was 40ish. I'm only at 79 vouchers. Have 4 lvln50 crafters and I'm lucky to get 1 every 2 or 3 days. I see in text chat all the time people selling these writs with big vouchers reward. I only want the vouchers to get the ebony book motif and than I'm done. But looks like it will take be a long while to get that if if my RNG luck continue as is. Unless I start buy them 3-6k/vouchers.

I_killed_Vivec · March 2017

160 from a single writ! The most I've seen is 87

I'm not sure that there is much of a formula for value - certainly not when it comes to the expense (which equates to relative rarity) of components.

I've had writs requiring nirnhoned for 4 and 6 vouchers, with the 6 voucher writ requiring potent. I've had enchanting writs requiring hakeijo for 2 vouchers...

I have received writs requiring motifs I don't have, cannot find in the vendors, and when I put them up for sale nobody is interested. Who wants a writ giving a handful of vouchers when it needs a motif costing 20,000? Or a rune costing 10,000?

It's difficult enough beating the RNG to get a writ in the first place... it was a wrench to put one up for sale, but when I did it seems nobody else is prepared to take them on... too much cost, too little reward.

akl77 · March 2017

I didn't even notice, thought it's random.

rentalman UK · March 2017

Khenarthi wrote: »

All the enchanting writs I got with Kuta gave me 5 or 6 vouchers back. The ones for 2 vouchers require only Rekuta.

Equipment writs with Legendary materials (rosin, tempering alloy, wax) award about 44 vouchers. You get 18 vouchers or so for purple items with the Nirnhoned trait, and a ton of vouchers when you get the magic combo (legendary, nirnhoned, rare style) for 140+ vouchers. You say a friend of yours got a 327 voucher? Could he have been exagerating?

I'm not saying I would not like more vouchers... but if you post something, at least make sure it's not misinformation.

On my last writ 8 ambrosia potions 10 vouchers. Legendry clothing 18. Never got more that that yet hence the topic

Fudly_budly · March 2017

My RNG muse is AWOL. Since Feb 6 I have received only one 70-ish writ. Nearly all (maybe 10-15) have been 2 voucher Enchanting/Alchemy. So, I just gave up. I bought 3 MW's from traders. Dumped about 500k gold Got my crafting stations. Now I couldn't care less whether I get a MW or not. In fact, there are 6 MW sitting in my bank right now. ZOS either doesn't know or doesn't care how totally "meh" Homestead is.

STEVIL · March 2017

If you get a voucher thats not worth your time or "a negative value" to you sell it.

Last i looked you could easily move it for 1k per voucher in a flash.

Remember they are the only route to certain things so someone will be looking to buy.

Magdalina · March 2017

SolarCat02 wrote: »

@Khenarthi
I have a master writ for a legendary shield (8 trait set, prosperous, Nord) worth 10 writ vouchers, so no, they are not worth "at least 44 vouchers". In fact, of the four I got that used legendary materials (not counting enchanting Kuta here), one was 74, two were 34, and then of course my woodworking worth 10.

Things that raise the writ voucher total, in my observations:
- Legendary
- Nirnhoned
- 9-trait
- "rare" motif

If you get all four, you get the 300+ vouchers. If it only asks for one of the above, you get a very small amount of writ vouchers. It also doesn't care how many traits if it's less than 9, because 2-trait and 8-trait sets seem to offer the same amount. The "rare" motif list is also somewhat arbitrary, as Celestial seems to be on it but Akaviri and Ancient Orc are not considered rare enough to boost your writ voucher reward quantity.

Dunno, it seems even more random than that to me. While I guess by now we should all expet terribad rng from ZOS some of it simply doesn't make sense...the most expensive part of any legendary writ is going to be mats, how the heck can 8 legendary writs-requiring writ give 10 vouchers? Even with the prices going down I think cheapest Alloys go for on pc NA is 5-7k. 8*5=40k at the very least and that's assuming you have all other mats and the style itself.

I've been lucky I guess, my cheapest legendary writ so far was for I think ~45 vouchers, most expensive one was ~88. It makes absolutely 0 sense though because 45 one was gold non-nirnhoned 8 trait celestial style(I had to buy the style too, didn't have it), whereas that very day someone linked theirs in zchat and it was gold nirnhoned(armor, so fortified too) 6 trait orc(!) for like 150 vouchers. I've seen someone link ~240 ones too, can't remember the combination though. Nirnhoned definitely seems to inflate the vouchers number like twofold, but style and number of traits don't seem to matter much.

It's a bit ridiculous - overall droprate doesn't seem too bad, but it's like triple rng layer. It's rng whether or not you get a master writ, it's rng #2 what quality it is, and in case it's legendary so actually might be worth it it's absolute rng #3 on how many vouchers you're going to get>.< At the very least the drops should be somewhat consistent and if you do luck out and get a legendary.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

If you get a voucher thats not worth your time or "a negative value" to you sell it.

Last i looked you could easily move it for 1k per voucher in a flash.

Remember they are the only route to certain things so someone will be looking to buy.

Step 1: Collect Vouchers
Step 2: Sell Vouchers

And there is your profit.

VoiDGhOs7 · March 2017

This the highest reward at the moment.But I also think there's something broken with the master writs,on my main char I'm getting only the 5/6 vouchers while on alts I get the 40+ ones.

Tan9oSuccka · March 2017

I get totally screwed on this Master writ system. Never missed a day of 6 doing six master writs. Total of 69 vouchers...TOTAL.

To make matters worse, it's usually something like Yokudun Twice Born Star Shield.

9 trait, rare motiff......worth 5 vouchers. Are you kidding me?

Meanwhile, CP200 gets a 3 trait, blue motiff for 200 vouchers. WHAT?

xXMichonneXx · March 2017

Master writs are a joke. I've given up on them, just doing my daily writs as usual and if I get one great. I've recently gone 5 days without one and that's doing 14 writs per day on 3 characters. It's obvious that the whole thing is designed around making us buy things with crowns.

STEVIL · March 2017

xXMichonneXx wrote: »

Master writs are a joke. I've given up on them, just doing my daily writs as usual and if I get one great. I've recently gone 5 days without one and that's doing 14 writs per day on 3 characters. It's obvious that the whole thing is designed around making us buy things with crowns.

So obvious in fact that they excluded the crown store only motifs from the factors that impact drop rate.
So obvious in fact that one of the highest cost most desired items - attunable station - (last i checked) could not be bought with crowns.

xXcrownspiraciesXx

xXMichonneXx · March 2017

No need to be snarky Stevil. I'm glad you're having good luck with them but a lot of us are not.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2017

I agree, writs are all over the place. Some of them are truly awful and as such I give them away for free. I'm not using perfect roe etc just to receive 2 vouchers. Some aren't even guild vendor fodder.

STEVIL · March 2017

xXMichonneXx wrote: »

No need to be snarky Stevil. I'm glad you're having good luck with them but a lot of us are not.

luck or not has nothing to do with it. i only commented on your unsupported jump into crownspiracy conclusion-land by pointing out a couple obvious facts that at least had a little relevance to it.

GilGalad · March 2017

The problem is that they treat everything as a factor instead of adding a flat amount of vouchers. Therefore legendary items are only worth crafting when combined with a high trait set, rare style and nirnhoned trait. If you don't have enough high multipliers, the high amount of legendary materials is not worth it.

A much more balanced approach would be flat values instead of multipliers, e.g.
50 for legendary, 5 for epic
10 Nirnhoned
1 per required trait
5-10 for rare styles

One could balance it such that the average stays about the same, but it will rise the floor and lower the ceiling of voucher rewards, while making them proportional to the required materials.

STEVIL · March 2017

GilGalad wrote: »

The problem is that they treat everything as a factor instead of adding a flat amount of vouchers. Therefore legendary items are only worth crafting when combined with a high trait set, rare style and nirnhoned trait. If you don't have enough high multipliers, the high amount of legendary materials is not worth it.

A much more balanced approach would be flat values instead of multipliers, e.g.
50 for legendary, 5 for epic
10 Nirnhoned
1 per required trait
5-10 for rare styles

One could balance it such that the average stays about the same, but it will rise the floor and lower the ceiling of voucher rewards, while making them proportional to the required materials.

not sure whether or not the idea itself is bad or good but the numbers are way off... traits and styles are ever-repeating elements and need to count a lot less than the per writ charges. This was part of the feedback they got during PTS and overall it seems they did take it into account.

I only had one writ where i decided it was not worth it and it was because i did not have the motif and the motif page sells for 35k. So i put the writ up for sale.