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Rng Exposed
Ihatenightblades
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So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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Edited by ZOS_Bill on March 15, 2017 8:05PM So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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dpencil✭✭✭✭Do not fall into the Gambler's Fallacy. If you have a 1/100 chance for something to happen, doing it 100 times does not mean it will happen one of those times. Every time you run it you have a 1/100 chance. The chances may be better than 1/200 but they are still pretty bad.22 -
MrBrandon✭✭✭RNG is the downfall of this game. I've never liked RNG. I would rather have a token system in place. You can make the grind somewhat long, but to know I'm going to get what I need is a plus.28
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✭Do not fall into the Gambler's Fallacy. If you have a 1/100 chance for something to happen, doing it 100 times does not mean it will happen one of those times. Every time you run it you have a 1/100 chance. The chances may be better than 1/200 but they are still pretty bad.
Im sorry but your statement is false. What were the odds of me getting 8 staffs in a row with same trait???
How does that make sense? Wouldnt i have a higher chance ( mathematically ) to loot more than one type of staff??
Out of all those odd numbers u put up how on earth did i land 8 staffs with same trait and nothing else??
Its because ths rng is not random . Its set to drop loot at a certain rate . Which is bs
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dpencil✭✭✭✭You didn't get 8 of the same staff in a row (as In 8 consecutive runs). You got 8 out of 300 runs which happened to have the same trait. Would you say it's impossible for a coin to land heads up 20 times in a row? It might be unlikely, but again, randomness doesn't remember what it did last.10
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Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭You didn't get 8 of the same staff in a row (as In 8 consecutive runs). You got 8 out of 300 runs which happened to have the same trait. Would you say it's impossible for a coin to land heads up 20 times in a row? It might be unlikely, but again, randomness doesn't remember what it did last.
Ya rng is fake im sorry
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dpencil✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »You didn't get 8 of the same staff in a row (as In 8 consecutive runs). You got 8 out of 300 runs which happened to have the same trait. Would you say it's impossible for a coin to land heads up 20 times in a row? It might be unlikely, but again, randomness doesn't remember what it did last.
Ya rng is fake im sorry
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WarpigFunk✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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I flipped a coin 10 times and only got tails once. RNG is a lie irl.
[Edit to match quote]Edited by ZOS_Bill on March 15, 2017 8:06PMPS4 [NA]
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Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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I have no idea who you are referring to. What is this 'news' you speak of? Does it pertain to Queen Ayrenn, High King Emeric, or Jorunn the Skald-King? I have not heard any 'news' fake or otherwise from my undaunted guild mates, and they gossip like nobodies business XD . In all seriousness tho, @dpencil is pretty much spot on.
[Edit to match quote]Edited by ZOS_Bill on March 15, 2017 8:06PMXB1 NA
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Weapons have the lowest chance to drop. They compete with shields in the loot table and I believe they only drop from final boss and chests.
After that Game en is contending with all the sets that drop in the instance and traits.0 -
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✭✭rng is rng, but bad implemented rng is worse. That is the case with ESO and if i remember correctly they are looking into improving it.Formerly @Persian_Princess .. Now @Asgari
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✭✭Lol RNG is a joke in this game I need a Llambris heavy shoulders divines I haven't seen any Llambris drop in 8 days I run 8 keys a day so 64 keys no Llambris its so bad I have to keep looking to make sure that it still drops from The Redbeards chest. but it gets worse I got 3 Iceheart heavy shoulders in a row 2 divines and 1 reinforced this game is just messing with me at this point.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
Raeph✭✭✭Uhhh, flipping a coin isn't exactly equivalent unless there is only one kind of staff, and it only has 2 possible traits.3
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dpencil✭✭✭✭@Princess_Asgari Yeah, I'm not trying to defend the RNG of ESO as a "good" system. I've made my own share of threads arguing for token systems. But the OP just doesn't understand the math of randomness. It's not enough to claim that certain weapons or traits are weighted more heavily off of a small sample size (and yes 300 is very small compared to the number of possible combinations of set/item type/trait). We've seen ZOS state and show diagrams that the weighting is balanced. That's what I'm sure the OP is refering to as "fake" but it would be very hard to prove without an enormous sample size, and honestly, thinking that the devs are lying just seems foolish.2
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✭✭✭✭✭Darkshade Caverns:
7 unique items (7x1)
3 dropped armor sets x 9 traits (7x3x9)
3 dropped jewelry sets with 3 traits (3x3x3)
3 non-set armor types with 9 traits (3x7x3)
12 weapon types with 9 traits (12*9)
(7*3*9)+(3*3*3)+(3*7*3) + (12*9) + 7 = 1:394 chance that the item you want to get drops.
This is not to mean that if you run the dungeon 394 you have a better chance to get the item. You have the same odds on the 1st on that you do on the 1,000 run. Odds don't get better the more times you run, statistically, the previous run has no bearing on the current or the future run.
When you roll a dice, it is a 1:6 time every time, no matter how many times you roll it you don't have better odds of rolling a 4.
Edit I'm sure I am forgetting some,I think the actual odds of a dungeon are around 1:684 because of pots and garbage items as well.
Edited by yodased on March 15, 2017 7:03PMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhhh, flipping a coin isn't exactly equivalent unless there is only one kind of staff, and it only has 2 possible traits.
Thank you. People need to think before they speak lol.
There are 5 staffs with 9 traits each .
But i happened to get the SAME STAFF with the SAME TRAIT 8 times without getting something else?
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✭✭✭✭✭you could get the same staff with the same trait 1,000,000 timesTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.3 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Ihatenightblades
Weapons have the lowest chance to drop. They compete with shields in the loot table and I believe they only drop from final boss and chests.
They also compete with jewlery, which has a higher chance to drop.
Drop rates for final bosses are approximately (very loose approximations. Actual drop-rates can probably be found buried in reddit or deep in the forums here. Good luck finding them):
25% - Named Drop
25% - Random Dungeon Ring (11% per)
25% - Random Dungeon Neck (11% per)
25% - Random Dungeon Weapon (2% for each weapon class. 0.666... for specific set within a class)
--Flame Staff
--Frost Staff
--Lightning Staff
--Sword
--Mace
--Axe
--Dagger
--Greatsword
--Maul
--Battleaxe
--Bow
--Shield
You want a specific weapon? Good luck with that!
You want a shield? Oh boy son...
You want a specific trait on your weapon? Well.. let's divide 0.66% by nine...Edited by Jamini on March 15, 2017 7:10PM"Adapt. or Die."5 -
Raeph✭✭✭^ This is true.
Really I think the OP should consider himself lucky, as getting 8 charged staves has pretty low odds.1 -
wolfdoggie_ESO✭✭✭✭Even more annoying thing on top of that is I always get a staff in the stamina set for the dungeon I farm which I wish wasn't even possible.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NeuroAutonomy wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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I have no idea who you are referring to. What is this 'news' you speak of? Does it pertain to Queen Ayrenn, High King Emeric, or Jorunn the Skald-King? I have not heard any 'news' fake or otherwise from my undaunted guild mates, and they gossip like nobodies business XD . In all seriousness tho, @dpencil is pretty much spot on.
Queeny Ayrenn Conway says it isn't fake news, it is an alternative fact.
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dpencil✭✭✭✭wolfdoggie_ESO wrote: »Even more annoying thing on top of that is I always get a staff in the stamina set for the dungeon I farm which I wish wasn't even possible.
They can't leave those 10 people out who are playing "hybrid" builds...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand why people try to defend RNG in this game. RNG in this game is terribly broken, and comparing it to real world math/probability, is just foolish.
No, math is math. You can argue with having so much RNG in the game, but I would say that arguing that the rules of probability don't apply is foolish. You can't take the small sample sizes and draw conclusions. ZoS can see all the numbers and would have a much better picture of what is happening."Get off my lawn!"3 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
ERM.
I believe you have been getting the "Llothan's Burning Crutch" named staff drop from Foreman Llothan?
The named special set pieces do have a higher drop rate because of the way the game is coded.
If I wanted a Defending Shield of Netch's Touch, I would farm The Hive Lord, specifically because his named drop "Hive Lord's Shell" is exactly that.
You want to pay attention to the drops from the final boss if you want a specific weapon that isn't a named drop. Chests are also a possibility, and mobs have a small chance of dropping a random set piece (about equal to simple chests).Why be normal when you can be better?
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Ihatenightblades
Weapons have the lowest chance to drop. They compete with shields in the loot table and I believe they only drop from final boss and chests.
They also compete with jewlery, which has a higher chance to drop.
Drop rates for final bosses are approximately (very loose approximations. Actual drop-rates can probably be found buried in reddit or deep in the forums here. Good luck finding them):
25% - Named Drop
25% - Random Dungeon Ring (11% per)
25% - Random Dungeon Neck (11% per)
25% - Random Dungeon Weapon (2% for each weapon class. 0.666... for specific set within a class)
--Flame Staff
--Frost Staff
--Lightning Staff
--Sword
--Mace
--Axe
--Dagger
--Greatsword
--Maul
--Battleaxe
--Bow
--Shield
You want a specific weapon? Good luck with that!
You want a shield? Oh boy son...
You want a specific trait on your weapon? Well.. let's divide 0.66% by nine...
But if i want a charged staff it comes 8 times before anything else?0 -
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✭It is rng, I got a sharpened automaton sword from there but have no use for it, I wanted the 2h0
