Still really missing auction house.

Weasel_Tunneler · March 2017

Chronicburn wrote: »

If there was a central house where you could do a keyword search and it told you where you could go buy the item from a trader that would be a decent compromise

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search

Use this!

Cpt_Teemo · March 2017

BigBragg wrote: »

The problem with central Auction house systems, is it will make it even easier for those who have millions upon millions of gold to manipulate the market on whatever item they want. This would exacerbate wealth disparity in the game, not diminish it.

They can, but people have the choice not to buy anything, centralized server wide markets work for the rest of the 99.99% of MMO's currently on market, ESO is probably the only one without one from the looks of it.

Kay1 · March 2017

I wouldn't recommend you talking about auction houses here.

Many guilds are active here in this forum and every single time they see a thread talking about auction house they ask their members to come here and vote No or just to disagree with the concept, they even put it in the motd.

Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.

Jemcrystal · March 2017

Better send fat tony over it's another AH thread!

I like the trader system as it is. I'm on pc using MM, AwesomeGuildStore, and AdvancedFilters. ZoS should pay Randactyl & ingeniousclown and just add AdvancedFilters to the game. MM and AwesomeGuildStore are lua hogs and I have to shut them off when not using them. Because of those two I must use Shissu.

But it would be nifty to implement a subscribers only auction house in Vvardenfell.

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Beardimus · March 2017

Nope, 100% would not want an Auction house. As a buyer right now the current system is way better for deals. Effort = reward.

I dont get The continued cries to dumb the game down.

We even have saved searched right now, its pretty straightforward so search all the major traders rapidly.

Text search for a specific named item or set, yep that would.be cool

Cpt_Teemo · March 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Nope, 100% would not want an Auction house. As a buyer right now the current system is way better for deals. Effort = reward.

I dont get The continued cries to dumb the game down.

We even have saved searched right now, its pretty straightforward so search all the major traders rapidly.

Text search for a specific named item or set, yep that would.be cool

It's not "Effort" to go around to every shop hoping an item is there that you want and 95% of the time its not. It's more like a waste of time imo.

How is it dumbing down the game when the trade system is already rock bottom? Every MMO i've played that either shut down or is still running uses a centralized server wide market place, tell me if its really dumbing down the game why is it that every single MMO has it besides ESO?

Chilly-McFreeze · March 2017

I am strongly against global auction houses for the reasons stated: dumbing down, price alignments, easy manipulation, etc.

But on the other hand I'd love to eat the salty tears of all you lazy people when a global AH hits and you can't buy *** because I decide to buy all the golden tempers, alchemy mats or whatever and sell them for 100x the original price. Sure, "don't buy them" you say. But you know that would not play out very well. You don't buy stuff if you don't need it. Good luck farming and grinding yourself. RNG is fun in this game.

Have you seen the prices for the prism rune, Hakeij? I used to buy them for 10k, now in most cases (if I can find them at all), they are sitting at 20k. Changed within 1 or 2 weeks. Not cool. Or see the prices for green tempers? Went up with homestead. It still is cheap but it was expected that with homestead the demand for green tempers would rise. How easy would it be to access that GAH and buy all your needed tempers before the demand incline hits and then sell them for even more more more. Why haven't I? Because, just like you said, it's tideous to travel from kiosk to kiosk just to mess up other players gaming experience.

Now you can skim the outer rims for bargains. Won't be able to do that if everyone sees every price for every item.

Also muzzling people who disagree with "arguments" like "prices doesn't matter" is severly... stupid. Yes, don't like to write that but it is. What's the point of traders if you can't make profit as seller? Except you are wealthy and can influence the market in the way mentioned above. Or on the other hand, what's the point of traders if you can't afford items because of monopoly through manipulation?

The argument that "little men" can't sell stuff in the current system is just wrong. Most non top-tier trading guilds haven't much restrictions. But they usually have free roster slots for you to fill. I am in 4 trading guilds, all with traders in good spots. Non has requierements for joining or staying - that means no minimum sales or donations. How hard is it to look at the zone chat and respond to their calls? I see such recruiting every day.

You don't want to be exposed to such an easy manipulation. All you want is being lazy.

Edit: OP states it's an inconvenience for him to buy items. It would be much harder for him and for new players to buy things if the prices go way up because of said manipulation. Let's thing this further through. Gold blacksmith temper is now at 6-7k. If person X, someone with hugh amount of gold, just access the AH he could buy each and every temper for the low price of 6k and then resell them for 70k per unit.

Now person Y, someone who luckily farmed a dozend of these tempers want's to sell them. Y knows the old price was 7k, which is rather cheap, while he sees the current price is 70k. It's a no-brainer to offer them for slightly less than 70k but still for far more than 7k. Why should he miss the opportunity to make a large amount of money. There are no cheaper offers because X just buyed all tempers. Prices go up. New players or not as wealthy players can't afford them anymore. -> OP would have even more problems with his buying hobby.

This isn't about the rich getting richer. This is about not *** others up. While we're at it, ever thought why there are so unpleasent gold sinks like respecing? To lower the amount of gold avaiable in the game. If there is too much gold, prices will incline. Inflation. Which will also lead to newer/ not as wealthy players being unable to buy stuff.

All this arguments you choose to ignore. So go ahead but don't complain if you are worse of than before for you being to comfortable to travel to some kiosk.

Vipstaakki · March 2017

Oh gee! This thread again? There is only one response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g

sadownik · March 2017

People defending the present trade system are you for real? I mean i hope you do understand that the current system allows only for around 75k players on each server to actively participate in trading? Do you understand that this numer is in fact significantly lower because of people joining multiple trade guilds and having multiple accounts?

Is the above a fair economy model? Those that are in the club and those that arent? To dear USA citizens - perhaps yes, perhaps you are so used to live in oligarchy that this is normal, for me as a citizen of former communistic country it is not.

Beardimus · March 2017

Hi @Kyle1983b14_ESO I see it as dumbing down as right now it's an area of the game if you put effort into - you get reward. Like bargain hunting in real life if you look around you get a deal. One central AH would wreck all that - this is ESO. A different game that has a great trading system if you work with it.

You may find that effort a waste of time, but a trader does not. Likewise people may think Writs are a dull waste if time - Crafters do not. Same with Mat farming - etc etc

The game rewards effort in all areas. And dumbing it down is removing that need for effort.

Think of the whines across all topics regarding peoples views of 'waste of time' that if applied would remove value from others

PvPers hating PvE content for BIS gear
PvEers hating PvP content for BIS skills
Crafting, the effort it takes
Trading, the effort it takes
Farming, the time it takes

People want instant gratificaion, flick it on treat it like COD run around doing some killing and that's the game - and its not. It's a huge open world game with so ma y different ways to play in it hell some people only fish, some only RPG in Inns!

Why ruin one aspect of the game for many just to help the impaitent few?

Join some decent trading guilds. Learn the big traders, and the remote ones with cheaper guilds and all trading needs can be done simply and efficiently

Cherryblossom · March 2017

Its a simple case of ZOS not having the ability to add a better trading system, they lack the expertise.

Hence why we have this sticky plaster trading system.

Still not had one person give a good argument as to how the current system is good. Not one, ever.

Turelus · March 2017

Hyrianeth wrote: »

Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.

I joined a new guild last week with less than 50 members, they now have a trader and are making sales because they priced stuff correctly.

This is how it works.

Make a guild get 50 members.
Teach those members how to trade correctly, encourage in house sales.
Ask you members to sell everything 5-10% under the trade hub prices.
Make sure your members sell items people actually want.*
Get an outline merchant and hold it each week as long as you can, people will slowly learn your merchant is good for deal and go there.
Make sure your members sell item people actually want.*
As you get better income from your sales and earn more gold/members move to a main city but not main trade hub.
Make sure your members are still selling items people actually want.*
Keep building and eventually challenge for a hub merchant.

* one of the biggest issues I see with trade guilds is the lack of knowledge by the members. Every large and successful trade guild I have been in tells all members to download MasterMerchant and Awesome Guild Store, helps members know what is selling hot and what's a waste of time listing, gives guides on prices for new items etc.
So many of the smaller guild I have been in I see someone selling a Hat of the Sun (Prosperous) for 2k gold and wondering why it's not moving.

If you want to be a big trade guild, put the effort in to train your members how to be a good trade guild, once you have the items and the pricing down it's not that hard to work your way up.

Seraphayel · March 2017

BigBragg wrote: »

The problem with central Auction house systems, is it will make it even easier for those who have millions upon millions of gold to manipulate the market on whatever item they want. This would exacerbate wealth disparity in the game, not diminish it.

So what? That's how economy works.

Guild Stores on consoles are a pain. Super unintuitive, clunky and convoluted. If they'd at least improve the UI but they won't.

Dreyfron · March 2017

S'yn wrote: »

I think we can all agree that while a centralized auction house might be nice, it would have the following 2 hugely negative effects:

1. The folks who run master merchant would be boned, and they help shape the current ESO economy (believe it).

2. ZOS trading server would probably catch on fire the first day... it might even burn the whole place down!

Turning the entire game economy on it's ear is never a good idea. Is the current system inconvenient- sure. Does it make it hard to find what you're looking for easily- yes. Would some sort of search function make it easier to find what yo're looking for- yes, but it would be extremely difficult to code for. Think of what you are asking:

You want a search function to check every available item in EVERY guild store in real time. Even if you found your perfect item, it could easily be sold out from under you while you are porting to the guild trader.

The idea behind ESO's economy is that you are SUPPOSED to rely on different groups of people to get stuff done, even different alliances. Personally, with 5 guilds and 30 items in each- I rarely have all 5 guilds with no "dead space" to unload any items I find. All our items stay on the traders for LONG time, which is awesome (usually), but if you put something on and the price drops it can stay there occupying a slot till it falls off and gets returned.

ESO's trade system is not perfect, but it is definitely NOT the worst one I have ever seen, either. I'm going to through some us older gamers in a time machine: Asheron's Call. A really old MMO, but they had this area all players could port to called the marketplace. People set up traders there and sold stuff, bought services like portals, etc. It worked pretty well.

Some sort of area that could hold a guild trader for basically everyone, would be technically possible, but still a lot of work. Just kicking around some ideas for the OP to consider. If your game time is short and you need to shop, target the guild traders in big cities or simply advertise what you are looking for in zone chat.

I like this idea, also what used to be in Ultima Online, traders setup outside the bank in Britain and traded their stuff from there, it was brilliant.

QUEZ420 · March 2017

phillyproduct wrote: »

I agree i understand lore and everything honestly i do i understand what the system was trying 2 do but lets be for real this system is The worst trading system in any big mainstream mmo.

1 small solution i suggest is atleast put up a billboard in every major city in every zone with all the wares 4 sale in that zone, the we just half 2 travel their and buy it.

"The worst trading system in any big mainstream mmo" ...spot on, I couldn't of said it better myself.

Chilly-McFreeze · March 2017

sadownik wrote: »

People defending the present trade system are you for real? I mean i hope you do understand that the current system allows only for around 75k players on each server to actively participate in trading? Do you understand that this numer is in fact significantly lower because of people joining multiple trade guilds and having multiple accounts?

Is the above a fair economy model? Those that are in the club and those that arent? To dear USA citizens - perhaps yes, perhaps you are so used to live in oligarchy that this is normal, for me as a citizen of former communistic country it is not.

First and foremost, yes, I am for real and no, I am no citizen of the USA. Don't know what you try to achieve with this bait.

To undergird your argument you would have to proof that almost every trading guild has a capped roster. I have been in several trading guilds and they all had
a) a kiosk and
b) free roster slots.
If you take a look at the zone chat you see dozends of recruiting effors from trade guilds every day.

And even if your statement were true, nothing stops you to advertise your stuff via zone chat. Most of the times when I'm in need of a fast coin I sell items via zone chat instead of guild store because it's
a) so much faster
b) you reach more people at that point of time because everyone in your zone can see your offer while not everyone checks every kiosk
c) you can adjust your selling price faster than via guild store (also grands you some feedback if your prices are off the chart)
d) you save yourself the taxes
e) you can directly see the demand (wtb xyz)

But fact of the matter is that not everyone wants to be a part of a trading guild and therefore not everyone needs a slot. Also there are a whole lot of free places out there.

Turelus · March 2017

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Its a simple case of ZOS not having the ability to add a better trading system, they lack the expertise.

Hence why we have this sticky plaster trading system.

Still not had one person give a good argument as to how the current system is good. Not one, ever.

The current system is much more interesting and offers a lot of actual in game trading and new levels of gameplay.

The biggest issues with this system are

The awful UI, this makes buying and selling horrible for anyone not using add-ons.
No way to quickly check the true value of an item.
No way to search the stocks of all traders in a zone without manually travelling to them.

Fix those above issues and this system would be much more inclusive and open up amazing new trade opportunities and competition.
The problem is most people are not willing to think how the current system could be made better for everyone and would rather just see ZOS/ESO default to the normal method.

BigBragg · March 2017

Seraphayel wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

The problem with central Auction house systems, is it will make it even easier for those who have millions upon millions of gold to manipulate the market on whatever item they want. This would exacerbate wealth disparity in the game, not diminish it.

So what? That's how economy works.

Guild Stores on consoles are a pain. Super unintuitive, clunky and convoluted. If they'd at least improve the UI but they won't.

Monopolies are bad for consumers and economies.

djdc1234 · March 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yep, guild traders are a crappy system when you're trying to buy something without getting ripped off or spending hours going through each and every trader with an Excel spreadsheet.

Luckily, it's easy enough to farm the stuff you want without having to buy it off of someone that is just praying you're not looking at their competitor's prices

you now have more time to shop around guild traders thanks to it saving your selection now. i don't have to keep re selecting what i wanna buy and search.. i can just hit search

prices on xbox are already dropping. i shop around at many city guild traders now

and dont settle for that 7k price tag on a yellow health buff, before the change those things where 18k in some parts .

srfrogg23 · March 2017

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Malanthor wrote: »

I just resubbed after a couple of years away. One of the reasons i stopped playing back then was the lack of an auction house. I was/am mostly interested in buying stuff -not selling.
Sadly the whole process with running back and forth and checking out the various guilds kiosks were just too horribly. I play games to have fun, not do chores i might as well do at work. I would assume that most people would want a system that let them easily browse available goods and then make a purchase. Just like E-Bay, Amazon etc. Would anyone here want to get in their car and drive back and forth between stores to find something they were looking for instead of using google or a online marketplace like ebay? I assume the answer is a resounding NO.
Well the same goes for me in game, i don't want to saddle up my horse and ride around to the various kiosks to find what i'm looking for. My time is too limited for that.

Now i am sure there are those who appreciate the way the system works right now. With the limitations placed on selling stuff, there are far fewer sellers than there would have been with a regular global auction house. And thus a sellers market. Asking those sellers what system they want is like asking someone with a limited monopoly if they want said monopoly to go away with the following losses in income. What answer do you expect to get? Its like asking someone if they are ok with cutting their salary.

Remember that most people who play this game are not hardcore sellers, they are just people that from time to time want to buy and sell something. Why make things hard for them?
They by far make up the actual population, and are the ones who keep this game alive. Not the small select group of greedy businessmen who profit from the current system.

Please add a global auction house for the benefit of the masses!

I hate it too, but this might help.

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search

It the best AH we will ever have in the game.

It really is a shame that Zenimax won't just take the hint and include this in the game. No more need to alt-tab out of ESO.

The only reason TTC exists is because the guild trader system sucks. Even the people that claim to like the guild trader system still use TTC because it fills the role of a global auction house listing.

Huyen · March 2017

Before the internet-shopping became a real thing, everyone had to visit more then one shop to get what they wanted for the cheapest price (and I still do). Seeing in current Tamriel there is no such thing...So running back and forth is still pretty normal.

srfrogg23 · March 2017

djdc1234 wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yep, guild traders are a crappy system when you're trying to buy something without getting ripped off or spending hours going through each and every trader with an Excel spreadsheet.

Luckily, it's easy enough to farm the stuff you want without having to buy it off of someone that is just praying you're not looking at their competitor's prices

you now have more time to shop around guild traders thanks to it saving your selection now. i don't have to keep re selecting what i wanna buy and search.. i can just hit search prices on xbox are already dropping. i shop around at many city guild traders now and dont settle for that 7k price tag on a yellow health buff, before the change those things where 18k in some parts .

Meh. Still not worth the time. Maybe it's because I just hate shopping, but I get really annoyed by having to choose between being ripped off or spending asinine amounts of time looking for the right price.

I'd rather just play the game and hope I get what I want to drop for me.

zaria · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Its a simple case of ZOS not having the ability to add a better trading system, they lack the expertise.

Hence why we have this sticky plaster trading system.

Still not had one person give a good argument as to how the current system is good. Not one, ever.

The current system is much more interesting and offers a lot of actual in game trading and new levels of gameplay.

The biggest issues with this system are
The awful UI, this makes buying and selling horrible for anyone not using add-ons.

No way to quickly check the true value of an item.

No way to search the stocks of all traders in a zone without manually travelling to them.

Fix those above issues and this system would be much more inclusive and open up amazing new trade opportunities and competition.
The problem is most people are not willing to think how the current system could be made better for everyone and would rather just see ZOS/ESO default to the normal method.

Agree on UI as in why can you not search for items or even use an set as template, I have a ring of mother's sorrow, mark it and search for set.

As I understand the reason they don't want an global action house is that is because all players is on a few megaservers not many small ones like WOW.
Main downside of one giant marked is an race to the bottom, you will have limited number of items listed to 25-50 items so getting an 500 gold item sold fast is more important than trying for an high price so you price yourself below the other item.
all others do this until price get so low you sell it for scrap instead.
The expensive stuff is the other way around, here you want to maximize the profit, you can wait some time to get 5000 more so price will go up a lot if its demand as its plenty of rich players.
In short marked will not be more stable rather the other way around.
It would also make it possible to manipulate prices buy buying up an cheap but much needed item in bulk, say purple temper.

srfrogg23 · March 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Before the internet-shopping became a real thing, everyone had to visit more then one shop to get what they wanted for the cheapest price (and I still do). Seeing in current Tamriel there is no such thing...So running back and forth is still pretty normal.

Lol! Why does everyone think this? Just because the internet didn't exist, it doesn't mean people didn't know where to go to find stuff right away.

Stores still advertised their stuff, and most importantly, they sold the same types of items consistently. If you walked into a Home Depot or AutoZone, you knew what to expect.

ESO's guild trader system is not even close to reality, even before the internet existed.

Why does everyone think we were so lost, wandering aimlessly for days, without Google?

Rene_Valionus · March 2017

Oh look another "I want something made easier in-game coz i'm Lazy" thread.............

Oh and NO.......

Except for the UI issue,. i want that one fix so YES.

Elsonso · March 2017

phillyproduct wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Having played 2 other games with just one worldwide auction system, this is better. In the worldwide system, items all in 1 place are so saturated that you make pennies for things and it's hardly worth the trouble. It is quite easy to join a trading guild. I am in 3.

There is a certain realism to the current system. Do you see any computers, or department stores around? It is all representative of a market economy that is not technology based. I'm not sure what the real issue is, having to travel around places like one would in a time period like this, or the fact that they can't have instant gratification spoon feeding.

For casual players there could be an auction house with limited selling space and more expensive to use. That would probably fit into the current economic model.

Price isnt important or even relavent in this arguement, convenience is the only commodity "we" care about.

Wal-mart sells tvs for 400$ best buy sells them 4 300$ but if best buy isnt around you and theirs ten wal marts in your city where are you going?

Convenience beats price 9-10 times unless your on a strict budget.

Lots of Console players dont have the time 2 log on go to 20 different guild traders to find springgians ring then try to run a dungeon all in a hour or 2 before they half 2 sleep. Let alone join a top trading guild with 5k weekly fees and pray their stuff sales and they make their money back

This is why I think they will change the trading system, with a very expensive "personal guild trade person" in the Crown Store. It will just take them time to implement it. It will have a finder's fee for locating items, and will allow posting to your guild's traders for a larger cut, in addition to a princely sum of Crowns paid up front.

Crown Store is all about Convenience.

snakester320 · March 2017

pieratsos wrote: »

Hyrianeth wrote: »

Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.

Maybe get in one of the guilds with a good trader?

Yeah that's typical ignorance that's expected from players who would cry like a baby if there was a AH..
I've got a trader and my guild prob has sister guilds throwing millions at traders so they can own a lot of the market and push the little guild or ppl out..

idk · March 2017

SaRuZ wrote: »

When gold selling through all top Guilds using corrupt politics and creating a monopoly gets exposed, they will have to change it. It's quite common, GM's raise 60 mil, withdrawal right before bid, launder the gold through websites or ghost traders and make real world currency.

Still think Guild Traders are a good idea? They control the in-game economy and make sure you join their enterprise or they shut you down(outbid your spot tenfold until all your members leave) it's common practice mob type shiz.

How. Details other than speculation and conjecture please. I have not seen any issues and like most that are interested in trading in game have liked the guild trader system for various reasons such as prices do not plummet as much as a central trading system. The AH is the worst system I have ever seen in a MMO, very pathetic system.

Turelus · March 2017

snakester320 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Hyrianeth wrote: »

Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.

Maybe get in one of the guilds with a good trader?

Yeah that's typical ignorance that's expected from players who would cry like a baby if there was a AH..
I've got a trader and my guild prob has sister guilds throwing millions at traders so they can own a lot of the market and push the little guild or ppl out..

Then little guild needs to stop having delusions of grandeur and build itself up in little guild places until it can challenge big guilds.

The argument of "my guild I made a week ago can't hold a trade hub spot because the people who have invested in this for over two years are too established" is kind of lame.

It's not hard to break into a city and get good trade, focus less on the "big bad trade guild" and more on how and what your members sell. Guide your guild with advice and information on how to sell and they'll get there.

There are so many small guilds who cry about why they're not successful and they're trying to price match the hubs or selling worthless items. No one in a trade guild which is serious should be selling set items with training or prosperous.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

"Still really missing auction house"
Well... They can simply add 1 NPC vendor per faction (lets say 3 in total) that will house "independent" traders. So for example "solo" & small guilds (the ones with no NPC trader) will be able to sell/trade items there (with a limit of curse, 5 items per week or something like that). So all players will be able to sell stuff in a relatively good way.. and big trading guilds won't lose their position... simple right ?