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Still really missing auction house.

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  • srfrogg23
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    Yep, guild traders are a crappy system when you're trying to buy something without getting ripped off or spending hours going through each and every trader with an Excel spreadsheet.

    Luckily, it's easy enough to farm the stuff you want without having to buy it off of someone that is just praying you're not looking at their competitor's prices >:)
  • snakester320
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    Sadly this is going never happen to many guilds owning the same traders week in and out and scared to lose the hold on the market !!
  • Hyrianeth
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    Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.
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    Guild traders have been popular and do well. Has not been a valid reason to change the system.
  • pieratsos
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    Hyrianeth wrote: »
    Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.

    Maybe get in one of the guilds with a good trader?
    Edited by pieratsos on March 13, 2017 1:14AM
  • phillyproduct
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    I agree i understand lore and everything honestly i do i understand what the system was trying 2 do but lets be for real this system is The worst trading system in any big mainstream mmo.



    1 small solution i suggest is atleast put up a billboard in every major city in every zone with all the wares 4 sale in that zone, the we just half 2 travel their and buy it.
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  • SaRuZ
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    When gold selling through all top Guilds using corrupt politics and creating a monopoly gets exposed, they will have to change it. It's quite common, GM's raise 60 mil, withdrawal right before bid, launder the gold through websites or ghost traders and make real world currency.

    Still think Guild Traders are a good idea? They control the in-game economy and make sure you join their enterprise or they shut you down(outbid your spot tenfold until all your members leave) it's common practice mob type shiz.
    Edited by SaRuZ on March 13, 2017 1:21AM
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Hyrianeth wrote: »
    Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.

    Exactly, they really need to make adjustments to fit what they have currently going on for the past 2 1/2 years. My suggestion before was to meet in the middle...

    Have current system in place now, but make a centralized server wide market area somewhere in main hubs like Crag, and the main citys and have multiple marketers for each place since you'll know its going to be packed, and display all the items listed for sale in all guild stores on that current server onto those marketers.

    That way the guilds can still keep making guild funds and won't have to worry about losing guild currency if they just completely removed all the guild traders, but you still have to bid on the traders though to keep the spots. As for doing it solo if your not apart of any guild that has a trader they would allow you to list 30 items as well per guild your in but they will not receive any funds from sales since they do not own a trader.
    Edited by Cpt_Teemo on March 13, 2017 1:22AM
  • S'yn
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    I think we can all agree that while a centralized auction house might be nice, it would have the following 2 hugely negative effects:

    1. The folks who run master merchant would be boned, and they help shape the current ESO economy (believe it).

    2. ZOS trading server would probably catch on fire the first day... it might even burn the whole place down!

    Turning the entire game economy on it's ear is never a good idea. Is the current system inconvenient- sure. Does it make it hard to find what you're looking for easily- yes. Would some sort of search function make it easier to find what yo're looking for- yes, but it would be extremely difficult to code for. Think of what you are asking:

    You want a search function to check every available item in EVERY guild store in real time. Even if you found your perfect item, it could easily be sold out from under you while you are porting to the guild trader.

    The idea behind ESO's economy is that you are SUPPOSED to rely on different groups of people to get stuff done, even different alliances. Personally, with 5 guilds and 30 items in each- I rarely have all 5 guilds with no "dead space" to unload any items I find. All our items stay on the traders for LONG time, which is awesome (usually), but if you put something on and the price drops it can stay there occupying a slot till it falls off and gets returned.

    ESO's trade system is not perfect, but it is definitely NOT the worst one I have ever seen, either. I'm going to through some us older gamers in a time machine: Asheron's Call. A really old MMO, but they had this area all players could port to called the marketplace. People set up traders there and sold stuff, bought services like portals, etc. It worked pretty well.

    Some sort of area that could hold a guild trader for basically everyone, would be technically possible, but still a lot of work. Just kicking around some ideas for the OP to consider. If your game time is short and you need to shop, target the guild traders in big cities or simply advertise what you are looking for in zone chat.
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Why would MM be boned, it will just be the same exact prices as it would now if they had a centralized market, just means you can buy stuff faster without having to waste 95% of your in game time.

    Doubt it, if Swtor can do it anyone can
  • DragonBound
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    Believe it or not any way to avoid a mega server wide market is good for the economy, everything becomes a monopoly at time point.
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    It already is with the guild stores, cause 50% or more of the entire game can't sell anything if they're guilds don't own a trader.

    Also only about 20% of the entire guild market system is in places that people shop at 100% of the time, while ignoring the far out / zoned instances.
    Edited by Cpt_Teemo on March 13, 2017 1:56AM
  • alexkdd99
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    Malanthor wrote: »
    I just resubbed after a couple of years away. One of the reasons i stopped playing back then was the lack of an auction house. I was/am mostly interested in buying stuff -not selling.
    Sadly the whole process with running back and forth and checking out the various guilds kiosks were just too horribly. I play games to have fun, not do chores i might as well do at work. I would assume that most people would want a system that let them easily browse available goods and then make a purchase. Just like E-Bay, Amazon etc. Would anyone here want to get in their car and drive back and forth between stores to find something they were looking for instead of using google or a online marketplace like ebay? I assume the answer is a resounding NO.
    Well the same goes for me in game, i don't want to saddle up my horse and ride around to the various kiosks to find what i'm looking for. My time is too limited for that.

    Now i am sure there are those who appreciate the way the system works right now. With the limitations placed on selling stuff, there are far fewer sellers than there would have been with a regular global auction house. And thus a sellers market. Asking those sellers what system they want is like asking someone with a limited monopoly if they want said monopoly to go away with the following losses in income. What answer do you expect to get? Its like asking someone if they are ok with cutting their salary.

    Remember that most people who play this game are not hardcore sellers, they are just people that from time to time want to buy and sell something. Why make things hard for them?
    They by far make up the actual population, and are the ones who keep this game alive. Not the small select group of greedy businessmen who profit from the current system. :hushed:

    Please add a global auction house for the benefit of the masses!

    Not this again. Go to the forums search bar and type in auction house. There will be the countless arguments about auction house. Believe it or not some people like the current system and don't want it changed, definitely not for an auction house either.

    To say that the larger part of the population wants an auction house is just your opinion. For all you know the majority likes the current system and would hate an auction house, we just don't know. That is why it's best to only speak for how you feel about it and not what everyone else may or may not think about it.

    You can't say with certainty that the masses would see an auction house as a benefit. I certainly wouldn't.

    I guess it's a good thing zos has never mentioned implementing an auction house or even getting rid of the traders. If we can keep guild traders for the life of the game while keeping an auction house out the game will be better off for it, imo.

    This is the same horse being beaten over and over again. Just search the forum and you will see just how many people like and dislike the current system. You will also see that ZOS has never given the slightest inclination that they would ever implement an auction house. (Thank goodness)
    Edited by alexkdd99 on March 13, 2017 2:07AM
  • Valderis
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    Malanthor wrote: »
    I just resubbed after a couple of years away. One of the reasons i stopped playing back then was the lack of an auction house. I was/am mostly interested in buying stuff -not selling.
    Sadly the whole process with running back and forth and checking out the various guilds kiosks were just too horribly. I play games to have fun, not do chores i might as well do at work. I would assume that most people would want a system that let them easily browse available goods and then make a purchase. Just like E-Bay, Amazon etc. Would anyone here want to get in their car and drive back and forth between stores to find something they were looking for instead of using google or a online marketplace like ebay? I assume the answer is a resounding NO.
    Well the same goes for me in game, i don't want to saddle up my horse and ride around to the various kiosks to find what i'm looking for. My time is too limited for that.

    Now i am sure there are those who appreciate the way the system works right now. With the limitations placed on selling stuff, there are far fewer sellers than there would have been with a regular global auction house. And thus a sellers market. Asking those sellers what system they want is like asking someone with a limited monopoly if they want said monopoly to go away with the following losses in income. What answer do you expect to get? Its like asking someone if they are ok with cutting their salary.

    Remember that most people who play this game are not hardcore sellers, they are just people that from time to time want to buy and sell something. Why make things hard for them?
    They by far make up the actual population, and are the ones who keep this game alive. Not the small select group of greedy businessmen who profit from the current system. :hushed:

    Please add a global auction house for the benefit of the masses!

    I'm still looking for a decent argument for an Auction House.
    Aside from the claim its too much work to find what you're looking for..
    Seller's Market? Fewer sellers than if a global trader? Huh?

    5 Guild Slots available for trading guilds. If one of your characters was devoted entirely to trading, that's 5 Traders you can have access to from your Bank. Even if you only have one character (assuming at least one of your guilds is for pve/social)
    that's potentially 4 traders accessible from your Bank.

    Realistically, the smaller traders wont have the wares you're looking for. perhaps some items that are priced low or rareties that sit on the trader due to low traffic. I know where to look and where to avoid for crafting mats, equipment, etc.

    Also:

    3 major cities for buying.

    Honestly, one Auction House is not going to magically fix your casual gaming style.

    I personally play and trade casually and find everything I need without spending more than 10mins looking.

    And, you know, some folks to enjoy the idea of 'Antiquing'.. finding cheap bargains then flipping them for a profit!

    Learn the system and succeed!


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  • energon
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    Having one system wouldn't necessarily preclude the other. With the proper design and playtesting, a global AH system for high-volume items could run alongside the guild trader system in a way that is minimally disruptive. For example, the maximum buyout on the global AH could be limited to 10,000 gold.
  • cyclonus11
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    I just want a keyword search. Why is that hard? :/
  • CapnPhoton
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    Having played 2 other games with just one worldwide auction system, this is better. In the worldwide system, items all in 1 place are so saturated that you make pennies for things and it's hardly worth the trouble. It is quite easy to join a trading guild. I am in 3.

    There is a certain realism to the current system. Do you see any computers, or department stores around? It is all representative of a market economy that is not technology based. I'm not sure what the real issue is, having to travel around places like one would in a time period like this, or the fact that they can't have instant gratification spoon feeding.

    For casual players there could be an auction house with limited selling space and more expensive to use. That would probably fit into the current economic model.
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  • freespirit
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    @cyclonus11 if you are on PC then AwesomeGuildStore gives many and varied search options including a "keyword search" :)
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  • Chronicburn
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    This was probably the biggest disappointment upon starting the game ... took me a couple days of looking around before I realized... wth? There is no auction house? Bad design
  • Chronicburn
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    If there was a central house where you could do a keyword search and it told you where you could go buy the item from a trader that would be a decent compromise
  • phillyproduct
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    CapnPhoton wrote: »
    Having played 2 other games with just one worldwide auction system, this is better. In the worldwide system, items all in 1 place are so saturated that you make pennies for things and it's hardly worth the trouble. It is quite easy to join a trading guild. I am in 3.

    There is a certain realism to the current system. Do you see any computers, or department stores around? It is all representative of a market economy that is not technology based. I'm not sure what the real issue is, having to travel around places like one would in a time period like this, or the fact that they can't have instant gratification spoon feeding.

    For casual players there could be an auction house with limited selling space and more expensive to use. That would probably fit into the current economic model.

    Price isnt important or even relavent in this arguement, convenience is the only commodity "we" care about.

    Wal-mart sells tvs for 400$ best buy sells them 4 300$ but if best buy isnt around you and theirs ten wal marts in your city where are you going?

    Convenience beats price 9-10 times unless your on a strict budget.

    Lots of Console players dont have the time 2 log on go to 20 different guild traders to find springgians ring then try to run a dungeon all in a hour or 2 before they half 2 sleep. Let alone join a top trading guild with 5k weekly fees and pray their stuff sales and they make their money back
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  • SanderBuraas
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    S'yn wrote: »
    Turning the entire game economy on it's ear is never a good idea. Is the current system inconvenient- sure. Does it make it hard to find what you're looking for easily- yes. Would some sort of search function make it easier to find what yo're looking for- yes, but it would be extremely difficult to code for. Think of what you are asking:

    You want a search function to check every available item in EVERY guild store in real time. Even if you found your perfect item, it could easily be sold out from under you while you are porting to the guild trader.

    Extremely difficult to code? Yet we have AwesomeGuildStore.
    Edited by SanderBuraas on March 13, 2017 4:49AM
  • DHale
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    No. I just bought hawk eye set five pieces paid about 15k. That's for five pieces. That's over 70 k worth of stuff bought at out of the way guild vendors in remote places. I am not going to support a market where stuff is over priced just "cause".
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  • Weasel_Tunneler
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    Malanthor wrote: »
    I just resubbed after a couple of years away. One of the reasons i stopped playing back then was the lack of an auction house. I was/am mostly interested in buying stuff -not selling.
    Sadly the whole process with running back and forth and checking out the various guilds kiosks were just too horribly. I play games to have fun, not do chores i might as well do at work. I would assume that most people would want a system that let them easily browse available goods and then make a purchase. Just like E-Bay, Amazon etc. Would anyone here want to get in their car and drive back and forth between stores to find something they were looking for instead of using google or a online marketplace like ebay? I assume the answer is a resounding NO.
    Well the same goes for me in game, i don't want to saddle up my horse and ride around to the various kiosks to find what i'm looking for. My time is too limited for that.

    Now i am sure there are those who appreciate the way the system works right now. With the limitations placed on selling stuff, there are far fewer sellers than there would have been with a regular global auction house. And thus a sellers market. Asking those sellers what system they want is like asking someone with a limited monopoly if they want said monopoly to go away with the following losses in income. What answer do you expect to get? Its like asking someone if they are ok with cutting their salary.

    Remember that most people who play this game are not hardcore sellers, they are just people that from time to time want to buy and sell something. Why make things hard for them?
    They by far make up the actual population, and are the ones who keep this game alive. Not the small select group of greedy businessmen who profit from the current system. :hushed:

    Please add a global auction house for the benefit of the masses!

    I hate it too, but this might help.

    https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search

    It the best AH we will ever have in the game.
  • BigBragg
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    The problem with central Auction house systems, is it will make it even easier for those who have millions upon millions of gold to manipulate the market on whatever item they want. This would exacerbate wealth disparity in the game, not diminish it.
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    As I said in another post, notice how these types of threads are made by people with less then 3 stars on the forum?
  • phillyproduct
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    BigBragg wrote: »
    The problem with central Auction house systems, is it will make it even easier for those who have millions upon millions of gold to manipulate the market on whatever item they want. This would exacerbate wealth disparity in the game, not diminish it.

    These people already rich though? So now we should sacfrice convenience because were afraid they will get richer?
    As I said in another post, notice how these types of threads are made by people with less then 3 stars on the forum?

    Why does it matter who makes the thread? A more telling stat to me is how often the same questions get asked...
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  • itehache
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    Hyrianeth wrote: »
    Yup, the rich guilds gets richer. There's no place for the little guy trying to sell anything.

    Nope, I am a "little guy trying to sell anything" who belongs to 2 trading guilds (location Rawlkha & Deshaan) and I am selling everything I get from just playing (materials, gear, motifs etc).
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    cyclonus11 wrote: »
    I just want a keyword search. Why is that hard? :/

    If you play on PC try the add on Awesome Guild Store. It has a keyword search among many other useful filters to search what you need.
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