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AdamBourke · March 2017

Untidy1 wrote: »

I think if they cut the price in half, they'd sell three times as many. If they cut it to one third, they'd probably sell six times as many. Same goes for the stupidly overpriced mounts and motifs and of course the crates. ZOS is setting their prices so that most people wouldn't even consider buying this fluff. If they'd price it appropriately, they'd make a heck of a lot more money.

I think not only if they halved prices more people would buy, but also the people do buy will be more likely to buy more than one item. Maybe not with housing, but with mounts, definitely.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

Untidy1 wrote: »

I think if they cut the price in half, they'd sell three times as many. If they cut it to one third, they'd probably sell six times as many. Same goes for the stupidly overpriced mounts and motifs and of course the crates. ZOS is setting their prices so that most people wouldn't even consider buying this fluff. If they'd price it appropriately, they'd make a heck of a lot more money.

Which motifs are overpriced? They have set their prices, according to some sort of research I'm sure. But I am really curious about the motif comment. Because as far back as I remember in game motifs were in fact 5k crowns, the latest dro mathra was what 6k? But it also came with mimic stones, so what is overpriced? Iean you can farm them and not pay any rlm, so what about those who spent time aquiring those? You ever think that may be why they are priced that high? In my view, observation really, all in game items that become available in the store generally have a higher price tag. The 2 cs exclusive motifs were in fact half of the other purple ones. So I don't see where they have jacked up the prices to be greedy.

Sheezabeast · March 2017

when I demo'd it I was sad it was mostly a small lake

cool if you intend to extend space by building over the water.

Molydeus · March 2017

Sheezabeast wrote: »

when I demo'd it I was sad it was mostly a small lake cool if you intend to extend space by building over the water.

There is a ton of other space inside, and a lot around back and near the waterfalls. But most of the front is water.

haute · March 2017

I've seen this somewhere in this forum and it's worthy of quoting here: the house is just an exclusive instance and what you pay is the entrance fee for entering into it as well as decorating it.

So the question comes down as if I want to pay $100/$120 (more expensive than the collector's edition) for an instance in where I can sit, practice with dummy and craft stuff (last 2 at extra purchase) and nothing else?

Katahdin · March 2017

Untidy1 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I'll reply what I did to the post above.

The base game is 3 years old so has been discounted in that time. At launch, it was $60 not $29.99. So let's compare apples to apples please.

Comparing a new release pricing to a 3 year old discounted price is not exactly equitable.

Do Let's

ESO Full Morrowind Chapter special edition price of $59.99

Cavern space $119.97 for ACTUAL valued pricing regardless of eso plus

That comparison is fine. You can also compare
Base game $60
Morrowind $60
Cave $120

The thing is though, its my money that I work a job 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year for.

It's not your perogative to tell me what is reasonable to spend it on. That decision is mine and mine alone.

If $120 is worth it to me it's my buisness. If it's not worth it to you, it's your buisness. I get really insulted when people tell me what I should do with something I work for.

Wait, did someone actually tell you how to spend your money? That's just rude! What they should have done was offer their opinion that what ZOS is charging for an empty cave is utterly ridiculous and that they'd feel embarrassed if anyone found out they actually spent that amount on it. They have a right to their opinion that the prices are broken and anyone who supports them are encouraging ZOS's moronic pricing just as you have a right to buy whatever you want to with your own money.

Yep opinions are like a certain body part, everyone has them. Sorry people are so bitter about the pricing but again, with manors being 10K crowns, what did people expect this to be? 5K?

Here is a warning to anyone interested in the Island....it will be even more expensive. I predict 15K crowns unfurnished.
If you really want it, be prepared.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

Keep getting closer and closer to buying with every insult.

STEVIL · March 2017

haute wrote: »

I've seen this somewhere in this forum and it's worthy of quoting here: the house is just an exclusive instance and what you pay is the entrance fee for entering into it as well as decorating it.

So the question comes down as if I want to pay $100/$120 (more expensive than the collector's edition) for an instance in where I can sit, practice with dummy and craft stuff (last 2 at extra purchase) and nothing else?

First off, its unclear whether you mean extra crown purchase but i have seven crafying stations, an attuned station with no crowns spent on those now and i also have started crafting target dummies as well. So you can get those things by regular play, not just crown purchase.

but to your primary point, if all you plan on doing is target dummy stuff and crafting stuff, you can spend in game gold for like 65k or less and get more than enough house for that purpose. if thats all you see you can get out of the instance, the crown exclusive homes or even the large or medium ones are likely way overkill.

the folks wanting to pay those amounts are the ones who see more in it than you do and who will get more out of it than you would and thats why they pay that loot.

if you are just gonna drive the kids to school, you likely shouldn't buy the porsche.

Put another way...

****

One can always ask "what does it do for me?" and get a very small picture of anything.
One can also always ask "what can i do with it or what can i get out of it?" and often get a much broader, richer more robust perspective.

The one's looking at housing now and asking the latter are gonna be the ones ahead of the curve.

In homestead housing is potential - potential fun, potential use, potential gains - and like all potential it requires creativity, time and effort to turn it from potential into reality and some will choose to do so and others won't.

STEVIL · March 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Keep getting closer and closer to buying with every insult.

me too.

may have to quit this thread if i am serious about waiting at least a week.

STEVIL · March 2017

RavenRoxie wrote: »

So, let's see...

You pick a single line out of my entire post to judge? Perhaps that one line could have been worded differently. However you seem to have taken it to another place entirely from what I meant when I wrote it. Put your psych books down. 3 years as a psych major and a degree to show for it. You strapping onto your high horse is exactly why us psych graduates tend to get a bad rep.

Plainly, please have a seat. It was merely my opinion, written quickly, and possibly worded incorrectly.

yes i chose the line where you ascribed insanity to folks valuing things differently from you (specifically paying that price) to discuss. it seemed the most critical and the one aimed at the players, not the price.

you seem now to maybe possibly be kind of walking it back but not quite saying that it wasn't really what you meant sort of.

you dont acknowledge it was worded incorrectly - but only that it possibly was.
you dont say it should have been worded differently only that it could have been - which well everything could be worded differently.

So you kind of hint at leaning towards the suggestion that you might ought to have not said paying that price was insane but dont actually.

nicely done.

STEVIL · March 2017

Untidy1 wrote: »

I think if they cut the price in half, they'd sell three times as many. If they cut it to one third, they'd probably sell six times as many. Same goes for the stupidly overpriced mounts and motifs and of course the crates. ZOS is setting their prices so that most people wouldn't even consider buying this fluff. If they'd price it appropriately, they'd make a heck of a lot more money.

i think they have number crunchers who examine a lot of in game business and more broad business metrics to come up with better more accurate estimates that cut it in half to sell three times i think...the developers even said so... back when the assistants were introduced.

Course, maybe you have access to that data and the analytical chops and if so, i would possibly be wrong.

So there is that.

Vapirko · March 2017

AdamBourke wrote: »

Why is everyone saying this is well priced? It's like, $95!

ZOS has done well in brainwashing us into "acceptable" prices for crown store items. It's a common tactic. Every once in a while you do something outrageous and a ton of people get pisssed off about price and that seems so bad that the stuff that was outrageous before doesn't seems so bad anymore and so on. $95 for an in game home is nothing short in insane. Sure if you have it saved up from your sub stipend then go ahead. But you have to be pretty well off to spend so much.

STEVIL · March 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

AdamBourke wrote: »

Why is everyone saying this is well priced? It's like, $95!

ZOS has done well in brainwashing us into "acceptable" prices for crown store items. It's a common tactic. Every once in a while you do something outrageous and a ton of people get pisssed off about price and that seems so bad that the stuff that was outrageous before doesn't seems so bad anymore and so on. $95 for an in game home is nothing short in insane. Sure if you have it saved up from your sub stipend then go ahead. But you have to be pretty well off to spend so much.

Man... brainwashed and insane so much for masking my own mind up and owning up to it.

To paraphrase the one and only Flip Wilson "The ZOS made me do it."

Arthmoor · March 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

AdamBourke wrote: »

Why is everyone saying this is well priced? It's like, $95!

Because most of us were afraid it was going to be $200

Which is exactly how they wanted you to think - now they've got everyone thinking $95 for an empty virtual house is cheap.

iNSiPiD1 · March 2017

I am baffled by how people think $100 for this thing is a good price. You're literally saying it's a good price because you were "afraid" that it would cost $200?

I consider that to be an abusive relationship.

LadyLavina · March 2017

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I am baffled by how people think $100 for this thing is a good price. You're literally saying it's a good price because you were "afraid" that it would cost $200?

I consider that to be an abusive relationship.

lol this ^

edit: edited to remove ww2 reference to the german invasion of poland that probably would have gotten me yelled at by mods

STEVIL · March 2017

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I am baffled by how people think $100 for this thing is a good price. You're literally saying it's a good price because you were "afraid" that it would cost $200?

I consider that to be an abusive relationship.

i think the 13k crowns ia a good price, actually i think the 16.3k for furnihsed is much much better.

i dont think that cuz i expected twice that. it fell right where i expected it to - slightly higher than the highest manor.

one of the reasons i think its a good price is because they intentionally slanted the gold buys and the crown buys in opposite directions.

For "by the numbers" value, in-game gold favors buying medium and smaller over large and up. So the get into it in game favors starting small and working up.

For the "buy the numbers" value , crowns prices reverse that making large and mansions and this this great deals by comparison to the medium and small approach. (Obviously within any category "by the numbers will favir the cheapest, but in terms of broader analysis, the two types of purchase are tailored to different characters and different needs.

seaef · March 2017

Really, really cool but I'm having trouble decorating the four homes I have now.

Seems like the cave would be great for a guild hall, though.

Pwnyridah · March 2017

No title?
Less interested, I can wait to see if there's something better. I bought a home already, if this was out then, maybe I would have bought it, but my home came with a title.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

Ok one of my guildies is buying it. What we have done as a guild to make this thing into something I never would have thought of. The guy purchased it, we have all donated, or most, one attunable crafting station. One of each stations in the game will be in there. We are about 85% complete.

Started with blacksmithing stations on the ground level, built a tiered walkway, an extra 2 levels. So blacksmithing first floor, clothing second floor, woodworking on the third. All stations are arranged in alphabetical order. Not to mention your standard stations, cooking fire, alchemy, dye and enchanting stations. This is our guilds new "Crafters Paradise".

So is it worth the price? As far as using your brain a little to think outside the box, hell yes. He could literally charge what he wanted for admission. And for those serious about crafting this is absolutely awsome, especially with master writs. So again price is relative, how much could he charge to have access? How much could he recoupe with in game gold or items?

iNSiPiD1 · March 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ok one of my guildies is buying it. What we have done as a guild to make this thing into something I never would have thought of. The guy purchased it, we have all donated, or most, one attunable crafting station. One of each stations in the game will be in there. We are about 85% complete.

Started with blacksmithing stations on the ground level, built a tiered walkway, an extra 2 levels. So blacksmithing first floor, clothing second floor, woodworking on the third. All stations are arranged in alphabetical order. Not to mention your standard stations, cooking fire, alchemy, dye and enchanting stations. This is our guilds new "Crafters Paradise".

So is it worth the price? As far as using your brain a little to think outside the box, hell yes. He could literally charge what he wanted for admission. And for those serious about crafting this is absolutely awsome, especially with master writs. So again price is relative, how much could he charge to have access? How much could he recoupe with in game gold or items?

Charge admission for what? So people can walk around and look at it? So people can use crafting stations that they can access anywhere else in the game? That's insane.

It is cool thought what he did with the place, even if it cost too much to do it imo.

iNSiPiD1 · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I am baffled by how people think $100 for this thing is a good price. You're literally saying it's a good price because you were "afraid" that it would cost $200?

I consider that to be an abusive relationship.

i think the 13k crowns ia a good price, actually i think the 16.3k for furnihsed is much much better.

i dont think that cuz i expected twice that. it fell right where i expected it to - slightly higher than the highest manor.

one of the reasons i think its a good price is because they intentionally slanted the gold buys and the crown buys in opposite directions.

For "by the numbers" value, in-game gold favors buying medium and smaller over large and up. So the get into it in game favors starting small and working up.

For the "buy the numbers" value , crowns prices reverse that making large and mansions and this this great deals by comparison to the medium and small approach. (Obviously within any category "by the numbers will favir the cheapest, but in terms of broader analysis, the two types of purchase are tailored to different characters and different needs.

This is exactly how their marketing team wants you to think. Instead of considering the value of $100, and comparing that to everything else in the world you can do with $100, they want you to compare it to the OTHER exorbitant prices they've put in the game.

You see, if you ask me, the other Manors are also insanely overpriced for what they are.

$100 is not a lot of money. It's not the kind of money that breaks the bank. BUT, I would never pay that for copy/pasted assets. I would never pay that for a housing system that's behind just about every other MMO/non-MMO that has player housing.

To justify the current price of housing I would expect to see:

Neighborhoods (higher server costs)
The placement of more items (higher server costs)
More players allowed in homes (higher server costs)
Bankers/Merchants can be obtained from outside the crown store, or they are cheaper
Personal "trader" can be set up in neighborhoods so people can browse your wares
Armor/Weapon displays
NOT copy/pasted assets
and this list could go on and on...

The way I see it, they are charging a VERY premium price for something that is, as of right now, not very premium.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ok one of my guildies is buying it. What we have done as a guild to make this thing into something I never would have thought of. The guy purchased it, we have all donated, or most, one attunable crafting station. One of each stations in the game will be in there. We are about 85% complete.

Started with blacksmithing stations on the ground level, built a tiered walkway, an extra 2 levels. So blacksmithing first floor, clothing second floor, woodworking on the third. All stations are arranged in alphabetical order. Not to mention your standard stations, cooking fire, alchemy, dye and enchanting stations. This is our guilds new "Crafters Paradise".

So is it worth the price? As far as using your brain a little to think outside the box, hell yes. He could literally charge what he wanted for admission. And for those serious about crafting this is absolutely awsome, especially with master writs. So again price is relative, how much could he charge to have access? How much could he recoupe with in game gold or items?

Charge admission for what? So people can walk around and look at it? So people can use crafting stations that they can access anywhere else in the game? That's insane.

It is cool thought what he did with the place, even if it cost too much to do it imo.

Nowhere did I say he was charging admission I said he could. And while you can maybe access all stations not everyone can. Those without dlc are going to be missing a few. Some do not want to travel to ic to fulfill master writs. So yes it a convenient way and place to do all crafting. Not to mention those that want people to craft multiple sets, now I won't have to travel all over hell and creation to do it.

I know the price may not be for everyone but there are some who "could" profit from it.

Izaki · March 2017

130 euros for a house in a video game? that is basically all water and nothing else? Nah. The prices on the furniture are ridiculous too.

Cpt_Teemo · March 2017

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I am baffled by how people think $100 for this thing is a good price. You're literally saying it's a good price because you were "afraid" that it would cost $200?

I consider that to be an abusive relationship.

i think the 13k crowns ia a good price, actually i think the 16.3k for furnihsed is much much better.

i dont think that cuz i expected twice that. it fell right where i expected it to - slightly higher than the highest manor.

one of the reasons i think its a good price is because they intentionally slanted the gold buys and the crown buys in opposite directions.

For "by the numbers" value, in-game gold favors buying medium and smaller over large and up. So the get into it in game favors starting small and working up.

For the "buy the numbers" value , crowns prices reverse that making large and mansions and this this great deals by comparison to the medium and small approach. (Obviously within any category "by the numbers will favir the cheapest, but in terms of broader analysis, the two types of purchase are tailored to different characters and different needs.

This is exactly how their marketing team wants you to think. Instead of considering the value of $100, and comparing that to everything else in the world you can do with $100, they want you to compare it to the OTHER exorbitant prices they've put in the game.

You see, if you ask me, the other Manors are also insanely overpriced for what they are.

$100 is not a lot of money. It's not the kind of money that breaks the bank. BUT, I would never pay that for copy/pasted assets. I would never pay that for a housing system that's behind just about every other MMO/non-MMO that has player housing.

To justify the current price of housing I would expect to see:

Neighborhoods (higher server costs)

The placement of more items (higher server costs)

More players allowed in homes (higher server costs)

Bankers/Merchants can be obtained from outside the crown store, or they are cheaper

Personal "trader" can be set up in neighborhoods so people can browse your wares

Armor/Weapon displays

NOT copy/pasted assets

and this list could go on and on...

The way I see it, they are charging a VERY premium price for something that is, as of right now, not very premium.

People would bunch up in line for a refund for that if they made that possible.

rotaugen454 · March 2017

As a long time financial analyst, I have been watching the crown store prices and believe the price demand must be fairly inelastic. They have access to data that none of us do and have been able to model sales to price and are still finding demand high even with rising prices, much like Disneyland. Disney passes cost several times as much as they used to, yet it is always crowded. When prices stabilize or even drop, I'll know they found the sweet spot.

Personally, I will buy a house with crowns during the next crown sale, but not until then. That gives me plenty of time to review them all and see what I want.

AyeshaBelladonna · March 2017

While it IS a beautiful location, and the crown price is much better than expected.... WHAT is UP with it having the same furnishing alottment as the other Notable homes? In what universe does 350(unsubbed) even put a dent inlaces like Daggerfall, let alone Earthtear? Even subbed for 700 slots, thats woefully under what those limits SHOULD be. Particularly if i have no option but to ue real world money to buy the location i want, why does that not come with a higher cap? the special release houses are BIGGER than the other notable homes. PLEASE ZOS give us an item cap raise! I want to get the island when it comes out and i REALLY wanted this cavern, but i can't see bothering with it if that cap is still so pitifully low. It'll just look empty when done.

Kodrac · March 2017

rotaugen454 wrote: »

As a long time financial analyst, I have been watching the crown store prices and believe the price demand must be fairly inelastic. They have access to data that none of us do and have been able to model sales to price and are still finding demand high even with rising prices, much like Disneyland. Disney passes cost several times as much as they used to, yet it is always crowded. When prices stabilize or even drop, I'll know they found the sweet spot.

Personally, I will buy a house with crowns during the next crown sale, but not until then. That gives me plenty of time to review them all and see what I want.

Now now, we will have none of that rationality in here! If you are not outraged and feel the need to belittle and insult others you have no place in here! Good day, sir!

MythicEmperor · March 2017

Definitely overpriced, like all the other houses.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I am baffled by how people think $100 for this thing is a good price. You're literally saying it's a good price because you were "afraid" that it would cost $200?

I consider that to be an abusive relationship.

You should seek help then, no one should stay in abusive relationship.