riberion wrote: »

That sword is amazing!

100 in game gold if you can tell me what it says come on, its Daedric!

Rickter wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

100usd for a piece of fluff that does not even have storage in a game that is largely broken, yes that's what all savvy people call a 'reasonable price'.

It's really no wonder ZOS gouge the player base, they're positively begging for it.

sooo, when they add storage in the future, you'll eat these words right?

He probably won't have to. Why don't you think we don't have storage now? Because they want to monetize it.

Pibbles wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

100usd for a piece of fluff that does not even have storage in a game that is largely broken, yes that's what all savvy people call a 'reasonable price'.

It's really no wonder ZOS gouge the player base, they're positively begging for it.

sooo, when they add storage in the future, you'll eat these words right?

Not really, because 100usd to buy in-game storage is still not exactly what one would call a shrewd purchase. I already have an in-game gold bought manor, so I'd simply consume the storage therein.

But it's never happening, and we know it.

"We know it" - the catch phrase of unsubstantiated conspiracy theorists every where.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I'll reply what I did to the post above.

The base game is 3 years old so has been discounted in that time. At launch, it was $60 not $29.99. So let's compare apples to apples please.

Comparing a new release pricing to a 3 year old discounted price is not exactly equitable.

Do Let's

ESO Full Morrowind Chapter special edition price of $59.99

Cavern space $119.97 for ACTUAL valued pricing regardless of eso plus

Again why does it matter? So let's say I have those crowns from sub, which I have already recieved my value from, with access to dlc, exp and gold gain, reduced research time and a craft bag, is there some exchange to get dollars back for unused crowns? I mean I don't see them as something I have that hasn't already been paid for. I have had all of the above for my sub and crowns being the icing on the cake so to speak. So what do I spend them on? Or should I just keep holding them until I have $1000 worth? Better yet never spend them and wait for the game to fold and lose them without ever having made use of them. Would that make all of you feel better?

I don't care what Morrowind costs or what housing cost compared to any other game. They are 2 seperate things. Yep could have bought several games with what I have spent here, but none that would keep my attention as long as this has. I like ESO not FFX or any other game out there. That's my enjoyment and what I spend on it has no bearing on anyone else. You can go buy a new game for $60, then by all means do so if that is what will make you happy. For all I care go spend $300 on some Mythic Atherial dust and have a blast. It's not affecting me in the least.

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I'm sorry, paying over $100 for a house in a game which serves, literally, no real purpose, is insane.
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And that is where you cross the line between complaining about the price or about zos and being derogatory to others who feel differently than you.

this is not like saying someone is insane if they think ice staff light attacks do more dps than fire staff force pulse - that is a specific claim about specific measurable elements. its still borderline but hey... its at least an objective measurable thing.

this however is saying that making this subjective choice differently than you would is insane.

it is generally frowned upon to place your own personal preferences on such a high pedestal that you believe anyone who makes different subjective calls than you is insane. there are words for that - many of them found in psych texts.

Pibbles wrote: »

100usd for a piece of fluff that does not even have storage in a game that is largely broken, yes that's what all savvy people call a 'reasonable price'.

It's really no wonder ZOS gouge the player base, they're positively begging for it.

Please sir may I have another? Again not everyone plays the way you do or prioritizes the same things. I am personally have a blast with Daggerfall Overlook, that I bought with crowns. So I have spent hours already playing with different things changing stuff around, I'm having fun. That must suck for you guys huh? Someone enjoying something you dont, man what a bummer.

Considering most players haven't maxed out their bag and bank space, now I will admit there needs to be more numbers on that than overall population, why the need to add storage. If I remember they were talking about adding in storage and an alchemy garden. So there is that. But again that doesn't bother me. Yep game is broken but appearantly not broken enough to drive off players such as yourself.

Pibbles wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

100usd for a piece of fluff that does not even have storage in a game that is largely broken, yes that's what all savvy people call a 'reasonable price'.

It's really no wonder ZOS gouge the player base, they're positively begging for it.

sooo, when they add storage in the future, you'll eat these words right?

Not really, because 100usd to buy in-game storage is still not exactly what one would call a shrewd purchase. I already have an in-game gold bought manor, so I'd simply consume the storage therein.

But it's never happening, and we know it.

"We know it" - the catch phrase of unsubstantiated conspiracy theorists every where.

Not at all, one only need to observe the ZOS business approach to see that they'll never grant something gratis that people will be eager enough to cough up cash for. It's been that way since they first announced they'd double dip by running a sub AND a cash store, pre-original release, then crates, then reneging on the ESO+ DLC sales pitch to double dip again. It's not an unsubstantiated theory at all, in scientific language, it's an 'accepted theory': ZOS will never give anything away that the player base confirms they can charge for.

So... Homestead which has a housing system without a single crown expenditure required doesn't cause even a shred of doubt?

And i may be wrong but i believe "accepted theory" in scientific circles doesn't mean "some folks accept it" but means "preponderance of science community accepts it" and i do not believe we have anywhere near that level of consensus on your absolute "ZOS will never give anything away that the player base confirms they can charge for."

Some "accept" that the earth is flat but that doesn't make "flat-earth" an "accepted theory."

But to paraphrase the other person's questions, when and if ZOS releases a storage component for housing that doesn't require crowns will you then admit your error in what "you know" just as strongly as you assert the knowledge now? or will that just earn us a two-step pibbles shuffle towards "well clearly the base didn't confirm to ZOS they would bu it without something"?

Now honestly for me even though i do not want storage added to housing, i expect it will come based on what they have said. i think adding more ways to buy more slots (when we already have so many different ways and different pricing models to buy up to 2600+ slots on a single account) adding more of the usual "dumb slots" to housing is a bad idea and a waste. We need not more storage but better utilized storage and tools for that and if they take housing storage elements in that direction it will be wonderful.

more slots will just disappoint IMO as they wont add enough to make the other systsme outdated and anything short of that will just be a band-aid IMO.

But saying "i expect" or "i hope" or "i want" is a far cry away from saying "i know..."

Alastrine wrote: »

I think the cave is very cool and thought a long time about getting it.. there is a few things I don't like that to me are major (wish there was a door from the living area out to the cavern area directly, not going all the way around). I wouldn't get it furnished bc the furniture that comes with it isn't anything like what I would want to decorate it with.

It would be nice for the furnished model if they gave you an option to choose Nord, Breton, Redguard, Khajit etc. as your furniture 'package'. That would be interesting.

All that said, even though I'm subbed I'm also addicted to the special mounts that come out so usually spend my crowns on those. Perhaps if there was a big crown sale and I had some spare cash on hand I might buy the crowns to buy the cave. It would be fun to decorate. Love the island for the beaches and stuff but I really don't like the living areas. Just my preference.

I'd also be gung *** on it if it was offered for in game hold, even if it was insane. That would just motivate my trading
I wouldn't call others crazy if they wanted to spend on buying the cave, that's their prerogative. Nor does the price surprise me at all. But until a big crown sale, or maybe if it comes with more options or storage, I would say no to dropping coin on it. Besides, I'm still decorating my current 16 properties (all bought with ingame gold lol).

i agree that i wish "furnished" allowed a choice of styles for all the homes.

At the very least let it give you the three race styles forming an alliance. That option would boost crown sales of furnished homes.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I'll reply what I did to the post above.

The base game is 3 years old so has been discounted in that time. At launch, it was $60 not $29.99. So let's compare apples to apples please.

Comparing a new release pricing to a 3 year old discounted price is not exactly equitable.

Do Let's

ESO Full Morrowind Chapter special edition price of $59.99

Cavern space $119.97 for ACTUAL valued pricing regardless of eso plus

That comparison is fine. You can also compare
Base game $60
Morrowind $60
Cave $120

The thing is though, its my money that I work a job 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year for.

It's not your perogative to tell me what is reasonable to spend it on. That decision is mine and mine alone.

If $120 is worth it to me it's my buisness. If it's not worth it to you, it's your buisness. I get really insulted when people tell me what I should do with something I work for.

Katahdin wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I'll reply what I did to the post above.

The base game is 3 years old so has been discounted in that time. At launch, it was $60 not $29.99. So let's compare apples to apples please.

Comparing a new release pricing to a 3 year old discounted price is not exactly equitable.

Do Let's

ESO Full Morrowind Chapter special edition price of $59.99

Cavern space $119.97 for ACTUAL valued pricing regardless of eso plus

That comparison is fine. You can also compare
Base game $60
Morrowind $60
Cave $120

The thing is though, its my money that I work a job 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year for.

It's not your perogative to tell me what is reasonable to spend it on. That decision is mine and mine alone.

If $120 is worth it to me it's my buisness. If it's not worth it to you, it's your buisness. I get really insulted when people tell me what I should do with something I work for.

Wait, did someone actually tell you how to spend your money? That's just rude! What they should have done was offer their opinion that what ZOS is charging for an empty cave is utterly ridiculous and that they'd feel embarrassed if anyone found out they actually spent that amount on it. They have a right to their opinion that the prices are broken and anyone who supports them are encouraging ZOS's moronic pricing just as you have a right to buy whatever you want to with your own money.

STEVIL wrote: »

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I'm sorry, paying over $100 for a house in a game which serves, literally, no real purpose, is insane.

And that is where you cross the line between complaining about the price or about zos and being derogatory to others who feel differently than you.

this is not like saying someone is insane if they think ice staff light attacks do more dps than fire staff force pulse - that is a specific claim about specific measurable elements. its still borderline but hey... its at least an objective measurable thing.

this however is saying that making this subjective choice differently than you would is insane.

it is generally frowned upon to place your own personal preferences on such a high pedestal that you believe anyone who makes different subjective calls than you is insane. there are words for that - many of them found in psych texts.


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Yes, take that

STEVIL wrote: »

[quote"]

I'm sorry, paying over $100 for a house in a game which serves, literally, no real purpose, is insane.

And that is where you cross the line between complaining about the price or about zos and being derogatory to others who feel differently than you.

this is not like saying someone is insane if they think ice staff light attacks do more dps than fire staff force pulse - that is a specific claim about specific measurable elements. its still borderline but hey... its at least an objective measurable thing.

this however is saying that making this subjective choice differently than you would is insane.

it is generally frowned upon to place your own personal preferences on such a high pedestal that you believe anyone who makes different subjective calls than you is insane. there are words for that - many of them found in psych texts.


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So, let's see...

You pick a single line out of my entire post to judge? Perhaps that one line could have been worded differently. However you seem to have taken it to another place entirely from what I meant when I wrote it. Put your psych books down. 3 years as a psych major and a degree to show for it. You strapping onto your high horse is exactly why us psych graduates tend to get a bad rep.

Plainly, please have a seat. It was merely my opinion, written quickly, and possibly worded incorrectly.

Pibbles wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Yep game is broken but appearantly not broken enough to drive off players such as yourself.

I tend to not play as much now; mainly due to the broken nature of the game I've moved primarily back to FF14, which just works. However, I still tend to read the forum as it's a pretty decent community. Every few days I do log in and quickly run my ESO pledges with some guildies or randoms. If the health of the game improves, it will get played more, it's a simple equation.

It's up to people what they spend their money on - I've got a dedicated music studio in the basement with, well, with far too many guitars and outbuildings with, well, with far too many sports cars, my wife is always telling me I cannot possibly play or drive them all before I die! - my point was that all things do have an intrinsic value, and in the case where you have an enterprise overtly gouging people, that only stops when the money supply is cutoff. At that point, ZOS may start fixing the game, but until then they have no incentive to devote resource to that.

But here's the thing, what constitutes "gouging"? This is much harder to define, as price vs value is subjective. I'm sure some would say the same about some prices of guitars or your cars. Buy it depends on you to decide if it is too much?

I think if they cut the price in half, they'd sell three times as many. If they cut it to one third, they'd probably sell six times as many. Same goes for the stupidly overpriced mounts and motifs and of course the crates. ZOS is setting their prices so that most people wouldn't even consider buying this fluff. If they'd price it appropriately, they'd make a heck of a lot more money.