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Katahdin · March 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I am more shocked with the people thinking that this price is reasonable, than with the price itself.

What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?

highest sale on first superman comic is like over 2 mil real dollars.

highest sale on first batman is over 1 mil.

Deciding something is "wrong with you" for a group of folks willing to pay ~100 USD maybe more maybe less depending on sales, sub crowns etc for a piece of content they believe they will get sufficient playtime and enjoyment out of is... well...

lets say it raises more questions about "is something wrong with you" than those who buy.

And BTW you just ticked my meter a bit close to the "buy" than it was.

but still gonna wait a bit before committing.

But next crowns sale... definitely a possibility and one a slight bit closer now than before.

I am not saying I will or won't buy, as I did buy a furnished manor with crowns. Your analogy to comic books (physical items) is quite a bit different.

The comic book you own forever and can be considered a real investment. This house is just an item added to the license that you are renting from zos, which can be pulled from you at any time for any reason. (Or no reason at all)

Again not saying it is good or bad, I will probably wait for the island and purchase it. Just that there is a huge difference in purchasing something like this and a comic book, especially considering in eso you can't sell your account or items like this house later on for more money. (Like in some games)

At the end, it is your money and you should do with it as you choose. I know I do and will continue to do so. I honestly don't understand the people who try to tell other people how they should spend their money, when they never asked for said advice.

Yeah the comic is physical, and we only rent these pixels. I also know people that spend more than that in one night at the bar or on a steak dinner. Those things don't come back. But they are fun while they last.

Some say you don't buy beer, wine, alcoholic beverages, you just rent them.

STEVIL · March 2017

Zypheran wrote: »

This house is completely over-priced. As were many of the other houses. The pricing is so far removed from reality, that it's not even worth arguing. Now, anyone who bought this house I say well done and congrats. I would not judge somebody in the slightest for spending 100 bucks on this. There are plenty of other outlets that I squander money on so each to their own. Also, this game is built on a business model that relies on people who are willing to spend large sums of money on cosmetic items. It is a well established MMO business model so I salute all you people who buy this house and contribute to financing this game.
BUT... please stop taking it as a personal attack when people say that $100 dollars is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a functionless, cosmetic, digital product that represents nowhere near the value of a DLC. $100 dollars is a crazy price for this and this is actually one of these occasions where its not really subjective.... c'mon, really, $100 dollars... and it does nothing!! But please understand, my comments on the absurdity of the price are aimed at ZOS and not people who bought the house.

Ok so, as again someone tries to make value of entertainment somehow construed into a non-subjective thing by just expressing their subjective conclusions "and it does nothing!!" we do reach an interesting point...

As you say, comments about the absurdity of the price can be taken as being aimed at ZoS even when directly pointed to posters but then comments like the following:

"What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?"

Well those type of comments (from this thread) leave no room for doubt as to who or what is being attacked.

As for housing "does nothing" i will just say it "does nothing" for some people, thats for sure, but then again, that can be said of a great many things commonly viewed as valuable. The vast majority of this game does nothing, unless you do something with it.

I will repeat myself from a previous thread about housing and the "nothing" it does:

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As for the "why would someone do it then" kind of editorial questions - because it offers something they want. Function is in the eye of the beholder.

its possible to run duels in houses.
houses are instanced and you have control over entry.

So, if one is interested in dueling without interruption - like say running a dueling tourney that one can stream without having really annoying interlopers running into the duel and causing interruption after interruption to your broadcast - a house works very well for that. that is a capability the house can provide that cannot be gained elsewhere.

if one want to do so, one can create crafting stations for PVP zone sets and DLC sets and harder to get to sets and place them in your home and invite others (perhaps your guild mates) to use them without going to the PVP zone or owning the DLC. . that's a capability not otherwise available. one could even "rent" the home for such uses for gold if one wanted.

there are lots of other "functions" or more properly "capabilities" that folks can find "uses for" in their housing - in addition to whatever fun it brings them in its own right.

One can always ask "what does it do for me?" and get a very small picture of anything.
One can also always ask "what can i do with it or what can i get out of it?" and often get a much broader, richer more robust perspective.

The one's looking at housing now and asking the latter are gonna be the ones ahead of the curve.

In homestead housing is potential - potential fun, potential use, potential gains - and like all potential it requires creativity, time and effort to turn it from potential into reality and some will choose to do so and others won't.

***

Jitterbug · March 2017

I will say though that it is by far the most interesting and beautiful of the homesteads. If I were riddled with money AND these homes had more functionality or at least more immersion possibilities I might consider it. But having bought 3 almost identical guar mounts I have learned my lesson well. It's not worth the money to me. At a tenth of the price maybe.

rotaugen454 · March 2017

Personally not worth the price to me, but it might be worth it to others. That is fine. If storage was added and this had the most storage (and it was a huge amount of storage), I'd actually consider it.

baratron · March 2017

I don't have a problem with it, and I say this as a person who lives on disability benefits with a personal income of about US $600 a month. US $100 is a night in a hotel, or gig tickets for two to a famous band playing at a large venue, or dinner for two at a fancy restaurant with wine, or about 1/3 of the cost of a nice dress and shoes for someone else's wedding.

There are two points to consider. First of all, how much money you have to start with. US $100 is a huge sum of money to some and literally nothing to others. If you're struggling to pay rent on your real-life house then it's insultingly high.
If you earn a good salary then it's nothing at all.

Secondly, whether you rate pixels as less important than "physical" objects or experiences. If a person was to buy the cavern and get 15 hours of in-game fun for the cost of 3 hours "real-life" fun, is that a bargain or a rip-off? For each person who says that housing is useless, there's another one who absolutely adores decorating and getting to show their creation off to their friends, or who adores roleplaying and will be using that cavern for roleplay events.

ESO itself is ludicrously cheap. I have an ESO Plus membership, which is apparently US $12.99 a month when you buy the six-month subscription, and I play the game for around 30 hours per week. That's 120 hours per month, or 10 cents an hour. Where else do you get entertainment that cheap?

Also, if you consider that your ESO Plus membership pays for the Crafting Bag, the research timer boost, and the EXP boost, then you might well consider the Crowns they give you to be free. If you use your "free" ESO Plus Crowns plus other Crowns purchased during a 40% off sale, then it isn't even US $100 that we're talking about, but US $60 or less.

Is that value for money? Well, it is for some people. We are all adults and can decide for ourselves if it's good value for money or not. I personally will not be buying the cavern because I don't like it enough, but if I wanted to spend my birthday money on it, that would be my choice to make. Frankly, I am incensed at players here trying to tell each other what their financial priorities should be.

I have every respect for players who say "This is too much money for me", or are concerned about the direction of the Crown Store in general since Crown Crates were released. I miss the 300 Crowns clothing and hairstyle-type items, and the 700 Crowns for 3 costume packs. I do feel that ZOS would make more money in the long run from lots of cheap items which many players can afford rather than a handful of extremely expensive items which only the most well-off can afford. However, that is a different, although related, argument.

I have no respect for players who try to persuade others that it's too much money for them.

Indigochild3rdi · March 2017

I think it's kind of ridiculous. If you aren't subbed and have to purchase the crowns you're looking at 100+ dollars. For a home that doesn't have storage or any use other than cosmetics? No thanks lol

Cpt_Teemo · March 2017

Yeah, about 120$ total and like 150$ for furnished I bet, crazy prices no thanks

Myrrah · March 2017

Zypheran wrote: »

This house is completely over-priced. As were many of the other houses. The pricing is so far removed from reality, that it's not even worth arguing. Now, anyone who bought this house I say well done and congrats. I would not judge somebody in the slightest for spending 100 bucks on this. There are plenty of other outlets that I squander money on so each to their own. Also, this game is built on a business model that relies on people who are willing to spend large sums of money on cosmetic items. It is a well established MMO business model so I salute all you people who buy this house and contribute to financing this game.
BUT... please stop taking it as a personal attack when people say that $100 dollars is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a functionless, cosmetic, digital product that represents nowhere near the value of a DLC. $100 dollars is a crazy price for this and this is actually one of these occasions where its not really subjective.... c'mon, really, $100 dollars... and it does nothing!! But please understand, my comments on the absurdity of the price are aimed at ZOS and not people who bought the house.

ermm...people spend thousands/millions on things (collectibles, art, etc) that just sit there and do nothing irl. they just like looking at it. if you think that's "permanent"-it's not. Nothing is. and if we want to get all materialist vs physics about it-everything irl is "just pixels" as well.

thisisScoMan · March 2017

Given the price of some other houses, its less than I'd expected.

And given I'm sitting on 27k crowns because I rarely spend my sub crowns & buy a large pack during every crown sale, it's sort of somewhat tempting.

ZOS already has my money. I've just never found anything to do with those crowns.

STEVIL · March 2017

Saw logan for 17$ IMAX. lasted about 2hrs plus previews.

If I buy Earthsea or some other ESO exotic mansion for say $75ish crown sale - will get lots more than 10 hours out of it.

Then again, will also likely pay 15$ for perma stream logan when available too.

Zypheran · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

This house is completely over-priced. As were many of the other houses. The pricing is so far removed from reality, that it's not even worth arguing. Now, anyone who bought this house I say well done and congrats. I would not judge somebody in the slightest for spending 100 bucks on this. There are plenty of other outlets that I squander money on so each to their own. Also, this game is built on a business model that relies on people who are willing to spend large sums of money on cosmetic items. It is a well established MMO business model so I salute all you people who buy this house and contribute to financing this game.
BUT... please stop taking it as a personal attack when people say that $100 dollars is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a functionless, cosmetic, digital product that represents nowhere near the value of a DLC. $100 dollars is a crazy price for this and this is actually one of these occasions where its not really subjective.... c'mon, really, $100 dollars... and it does nothing!! But please understand, my comments on the absurdity of the price are aimed at ZOS and not people who bought the house.

Ok so, as again someone tries to make value of entertainment somehow construed into a non-subjective thing by just expressing their subjective conclusions "and it does nothing!!" we do reach an interesting point...

As you say, comments about the absurdity of the price can be taken as being aimed at ZoS even when directly pointed to posters but then comments like the following:

"What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?"

Well those type of comments (from this thread) leave no room for doubt as to who or what is being attacked.

As for housing "does nothing" i will just say it "does nothing" for some people, thats for sure, but then again, that can be said of a great many things commonly viewed as valuable. The vast majority of this game does nothing, unless you do something with it.

I will repeat myself from a previous thread about housing and the "nothing" it does:

***

As for the "why would someone do it then" kind of editorial questions - because it offers something they want. Function is in the eye of the beholder.

its possible to run duels in houses.
houses are instanced and you have control over entry.

So, if one is interested in dueling without interruption - like say running a dueling tourney that one can stream without having really annoying interlopers running into the duel and causing interruption after interruption to your broadcast - a house works very well for that. that is a capability the house can provide that cannot be gained elsewhere.

if one want to do so, one can create crafting stations for PVP zone sets and DLC sets and harder to get to sets and place them in your home and invite others (perhaps your guild mates) to use them without going to the PVP zone or owning the DLC. . that's a capability not otherwise available. one could even "rent" the home for such uses for gold if one wanted.

there are lots of other "functions" or more properly "capabilities" that folks can find "uses for" in their housing - in addition to whatever fun it brings them in its own right.

One can always ask "what does it do for me?" and get a very small picture of anything.
One can also always ask "what can i do with it or what can i get out of it?" and often get a much broader, richer more robust perspective.

The one's looking at housing now and asking the latter are gonna be the ones ahead of the curve.

In homestead housing is potential - potential fun, potential use, potential gains - and like all potential it requires creativity, time and effort to turn it from potential into reality and some will choose to do so and others won't.

***

I see your point and agree with you completely on the issue you raised about people making comments aimed directly at purchasers. I think its wrong to judge others on how they spend their money. And yes, value is based on what something CAN be sold at not what it should be sold at. So if somebody is willing to pay a few million for a painting, then that's what it's worth.
But I still think its important for people who believe that the pricing is ridiculous to voice their protest. Otherwise ZOS will most certainly continue to raise prices continually. ZOS is a business and wants/needs to make money. If people don't object to pricing then they would be remissive not to ask for more each time.
But my original point was to suggest that not everyone complaining about the latest pricing has an issue with those that are buying and I think that most people would be of that mind.

Molydeus · March 2017

They didn't fix the invisible walls on the right side of the cave, so while I was all set to purchase this I won't be doing so now. They didn't listen to the community when we complained about how it would affect sales. Now they've lost one.

AndyTGD · March 2017

I agree with Zypheran, the issue is not the potential value for the individual, but rather the concern that such acceptance will encourage ZOS to raise the price of future content. If someone has the money and wants to treat themselves to a $100 virtual house, that's theirs to spend. I don't think it necessarily will be a problem though; I can't imagine too many individuals buying the cave - especially at the full asking price. That said, I've seen a lot of people riding around on Crown Crate mounts, so perhaps there are a good number of people with deep pockets.

MadLarkin · March 2017

I'll copy what I said in the other thread since that got locked...

$100 for an in-game home with very little functionality. LOL The game market is going to collapse again like it did in the 80's if companies keep pushing the envelope with this type of garbage.

I wonder if @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert or the rest of the crew ever feel the least bit slimy after stuff like this. "I know, let's release a 'free' content update that introduces housing, which we know a lot of players really want. But, we'll do the bare bones minimum, copy and paste existing buildings, not provide any of the features most people would expect with housing, make it so grindy and expensive and joyless to use that it drives people to the crown store, and then charge so much that many of the players could develop a serious drug habit for less money. It'll be great!"

idk · March 2017

thebattlesaintb14_ESO wrote: »

$100. Don't say 13,000 crowns, say $100.

Because it's no t $100 for everyone. For some it's $50. For others they will not have spent any extra real $ to obtain. So it's 13k crown.

Glad to see this thread has a little t of positive feedback in it.

STEVIL · March 2017

Zypheran wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

This house is completely over-priced. As were many of the other houses. The pricing is so far removed from reality, that it's not even worth arguing. Now, anyone who bought this house I say well done and congrats. I would not judge somebody in the slightest for spending 100 bucks on this. There are plenty of other outlets that I squander money on so each to their own. Also, this game is built on a business model that relies on people who are willing to spend large sums of money on cosmetic items. It is a well established MMO business model so I salute all you people who buy this house and contribute to financing this game.
BUT... please stop taking it as a personal attack when people say that $100 dollars is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a functionless, cosmetic, digital product that represents nowhere near the value of a DLC. $100 dollars is a crazy price for this and this is actually one of these occasions where its not really subjective.... c'mon, really, $100 dollars... and it does nothing!! But please understand, my comments on the absurdity of the price are aimed at ZOS and not people who bought the house.

Ok so, as again someone tries to make value of entertainment somehow construed into a non-subjective thing by just expressing their subjective conclusions "and it does nothing!!" we do reach an interesting point...

As you say, comments about the absurdity of the price can be taken as being aimed at ZoS even when directly pointed to posters but then comments like the following:

"What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?"

Well those type of comments (from this thread) leave no room for doubt as to who or what is being attacked.

As for housing "does nothing" i will just say it "does nothing" for some people, thats for sure, but then again, that can be said of a great many things commonly viewed as valuable. The vast majority of this game does nothing, unless you do something with it.

I will repeat myself from a previous thread about housing and the "nothing" it does:

***

As for the "why would someone do it then" kind of editorial questions - because it offers something they want. Function is in the eye of the beholder.

its possible to run duels in houses.
houses are instanced and you have control over entry.

So, if one is interested in dueling without interruption - like say running a dueling tourney that one can stream without having really annoying interlopers running into the duel and causing interruption after interruption to your broadcast - a house works very well for that. that is a capability the house can provide that cannot be gained elsewhere.

if one want to do so, one can create crafting stations for PVP zone sets and DLC sets and harder to get to sets and place them in your home and invite others (perhaps your guild mates) to use them without going to the PVP zone or owning the DLC. . that's a capability not otherwise available. one could even "rent" the home for such uses for gold if one wanted.

there are lots of other "functions" or more properly "capabilities" that folks can find "uses for" in their housing - in addition to whatever fun it brings them in its own right.

One can always ask "what does it do for me?" and get a very small picture of anything.
One can also always ask "what can i do with it or what can i get out of it?" and often get a much broader, richer more robust perspective.

The one's looking at housing now and asking the latter are gonna be the ones ahead of the curve.

In homestead housing is potential - potential fun, potential use, potential gains - and like all potential it requires creativity, time and effort to turn it from potential into reality and some will choose to do so and others won't.

***

I see your point and agree with you completely on the issue you raised about people making comments aimed directly at purchasers. I think its wrong to judge others on how they spend their money. And yes, value is based on what something CAN be sold at not what it should be sold at. So if somebody is willing to pay a few million for a painting, then that's what it's worth.
But I still think its important for people who believe that the pricing is ridiculous to voice their protest. Otherwise ZOS will most certainly continue to raise prices continually. ZOS is a business and wants/needs to make money. If people don't object to pricing then they would be remissive not to ask for more each time.
But my original point was to suggest that not everyone complaining about the latest pricing has an issue with those that are buying and I think that most people would be of that mind.

i have no problem with folks voicing their opinions about how they feel about the prices. I have maybe less faith than you in whether ZoS will pay more attention to forum complaints than actual sales figures when it comes to pricing, but hey, within the ToS of these forums expressing opinions is fine and dandy.

But when it turns to attacking the posters or buyers or taking offense because how i spend my money raises prices for you - which has occurred elsewhere and to some extent here - not the same thing.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I am more shocked with the people thinking that this price is reasonable, than with the price itself.

What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?

highest sale on first superman comic is like over 2 mil real dollars.

highest sale on first batman is over 1 mil.

Deciding something is "wrong with you" for a group of folks willing to pay ~100 USD maybe more maybe less depending on sales, sub crowns etc for a piece of content they believe they will get sufficient playtime and enjoyment out of is... well...

lets say it raises more questions about "is something wrong with you" than those who buy.

And BTW you just ticked my meter a bit close to the "buy" than it was.

but still gonna wait a bit before committing.

But next crowns sale... definitely a possibility and one a slight bit closer now than before.

I am not saying I will or won't buy, as I did buy a furnished manor with crowns. Your analogy to comic books (physical items) is quite a bit different.

The comic book you own forever and can be considered a real investment. This house is just an item added to the license that you are renting from zos, which can be pulled from you at any time for any reason. (Or no reason at all)

Again not saying it is good or bad, I will probably wait for the island and purchase it. Just that there is a huge difference in purchasing something like this and a comic book, especially considering in eso you can't sell your account or items like this house later on for more money. (Like in some games)

At the end, it is your money and you should do with it as you choose. I know I do and will continue to do so. I honestly don't understand the people who try to tell other people how they should spend their money, when they never asked for said advice.

Yeah the comic is physical, and we only rent these pixels. I also know people that spend more than that in one night at the bar or on a steak dinner. Those things don't come back. But they are fun while they last.

Some say you don't buy beer, wine, alcoholic beverages, you just rent them.

That's what I'm saying

Rickter · March 2017

those complaining about the price:

it is a PREMIUM COSMETIC ITEM.

you know, i own real functional hand crafted i nthe USA medieval fantasy swords. (5160 stock removed premium steel | edge 54 HRC | core 52 HRC | hand crafted by Stephen Lockwood Custom sword Grapevine Texas USA - he made mine custom, its one of a kind) they go for $1200. would you pay $1200 for a sword? probably not. do you even want to? probably not - treat these homes like that hobby item that you would never buy. Let those with the money decide whats reasonably priced for them. I know I know, you all want these cool things, but ZOS doesnt run on hugs and butterflies. they be a multi billion dollar bizznasss!!

Stopnaggin · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I am more shocked with the people thinking that this price is reasonable, than with the price itself.

What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?

highest sale on first superman comic is like over 2 mil real dollars.

highest sale on first batman is over 1 mil.

Deciding something is "wrong with you" for a group of folks willing to pay ~100 USD maybe more maybe less depending on sales, sub crowns etc for a piece of content they believe they will get sufficient playtime and enjoyment out of is... well...

lets say it raises more questions about "is something wrong with you" than those who buy.

And BTW you just ticked my meter a bit close to the "buy" than it was.

but still gonna wait a bit before committing.

But next crowns sale... definitely a possibility and one a slight bit closer now than before.

I am not saying I will or won't buy, as I did buy a furnished manor with crowns. Your analogy to comic books (physical items) is quite a bit different.

The comic book you own forever and can be considered a real investment. This house is just an item added to the license that you are renting from zos, which can be pulled from you at any time for any reason. (Or no reason at all)

Again not saying it is good or bad, I will probably wait for the island and purchase it. Just that there is a huge difference in purchasing something like this and a comic book, especially considering in eso you can't sell your account or items like this house later on for more money. (Like in some games)

At the end, it is your money and you should do with it as you choose. I know I do and will continue to do so. I honestly don't understand the people who try to tell other people how they should spend their money, when they never asked for said advice.

Yeah the comic is physical, and we only rent these pixels. I also know people that spend more than that in one night at the bar or on a steak dinner. Those things don't come back. But they are fun while they last.

You are correct though, there is no right or wrong here. Value is subjective and that's why people argue for and against pricing.

Well actually that cheesecake from supper might well stay with you longer than you like.

:-)

I'm ok with that as long as it doesn't reverse direction.

Stopnaggin · March 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Really complaining about prices on anything on these forums is pretty sad. What makes it worse are the crusaders who think they have the right to insult others on how they spend their money. I earned my money, my bills are paid and I will spend my money how I see fit.

Wife got a $2000 engagement ring, kids all have I phones, electric is still on. If I want to spend a couple hundred dollars on a hobby it's my business. Don't like the prices, that's fine, can't afford it, oh well. Making some moral stand, good for you. Preaching to others about wasting money, bs. Go preach to someone who has a real problem other than a video game hobby. Stand outside the bar or liquor store and preach to them. Go to a bad neighborhood with drug dealers and preach to the addicts.

It's a game, no matter what someone else buys with rlm, it does not affect who you play. Insulting those who do spend that money isn't going to help. It shows a lack of intelligence and understanding that not eveyone shares your views. You want to debate than carry on, you want to insult, then others will not take you seriously.

@Stopnaggin

I think you're taking it waaaay out of context.
Follow that DLC and chapters never go over the industry standards of $60 or $130 for a physical collection of sorts however digital only, cosmetic items exceed both.

Now also consider that one outfit, maybe 5 potions or exp Scrolls (optional) exceed the usage ratio of dlc or chapter prices when considering the real money cost.

Correct, but it's still completely optional. But that isn't for me to decide a value for someone else. We as players haven't bought anything, we mearly rent for a time. The base game may well be lower than the actual usage of luxery items, cost wise. I know dollar wise I've spent more in riding lessons across 8 characters then what I spent on the base game. Not out of necessity, but out of preference.

Wasn't trying to blow thing out of proportion, just stating that value is completely subjective. Would I personally buy a $2000 dollar diamond for me, no but my wife enjoys it. To me it does nothing but to her it means something so it is what it it. I can fall back to my drag racing hobby, in comparison to gaming, it's super expensive, but it's something I get enjoyment from. Same with the game. Some things have a value to me some don't, I will buy those things I will enjoy and not bother with those I wouldn't. After all its a game that I enjoy so spending some cash on it every now and again doesn't bother me. I know not eveyone feels the same, and I'm not blind to the shift in strategy with money and the crown store.

My biggest complaint is those who try to tell me what a bad thing I'm doing, because they have a different opinion. I've even heard the argument that those of us who buy these things are going to be the end of th game, lol. But cheers buddy for being civil. And I mean that. It's getting more rare by the day.

@Stopnaggin

BAM! Your other comments are valid as well but I have to pull out the fact that NOTHING we spend money on here is owned, it's merely rented or paying for a limited and or temporary license

Already stated in first paragraph. Lol

riberion · March 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Really complaining about prices on anything on these forums is pretty sad. What makes it worse are the crusaders who think they have the right to insult others on how they spend their money. I earned my money, my bills are paid and I will spend my money how I see fit.

Wife got a $2000 engagement ring, kids all have I phones, electric is still on. If I want to spend a couple hundred dollars on a hobby it's my business. Don't like the prices, that's fine, can't afford it, oh well. Making some moral stand, good for you. Preaching to others about wasting money, bs. Go preach to someone who has a real problem other than a video game hobby. Stand outside the bar or liquor store and preach to them. Go to a bad neighborhood with drug dealers and preach to the addicts.

It's a game, no matter what someone else buys with rlm, it does not affect who you play. Insulting those who do spend that money isn't going to help. It shows a lack of intelligence and understanding that not eveyone shares your views. You want to debate than carry on, you want to insult, then others will not take you seriously.

I couldn't agree more! Also, I don't really understand the outrage, considering anyone should have realized this would at least be on par with the manor pricing. If you don't agree, don't buy it. But stop being so judgmental about how other's spend their money.

Edited for typo

cheekybrat · March 2017

40 USD per 5500 crowns. 13k crowns for estate unfurnished or 16.5k crowns furnished. Look at it in the actual cost of money. That's 120 USD. $120 usd for a house furnished or not. This costs more than the game is worth.

riberion · March 2017

Rickter wrote: »

those complaining about the price:

it is a PREMIUM COSMETIC ITEM.

you know, i own real functional hand crafted i nthe USA medieval fantasy swords. (5160 stock removed premium steel | edge 54 HRC | core 52 HRC | hand crafted by Stephen Lockwood Custom sword Grapevine Texas USA - he made mine custom, its one of a kind) they go for $1200. would you pay $1200 for a sword? probably not. do you even want to? probably not - treat these homes like that hobby item that you would never buy. Let those with the money decide whats reasonably priced for them. I know I know, you all want these cool things, but ZOS doesnt run on hugs and butterflies. they be a multi billion dollar bizznasss!!

That sword is amazing!

STEVIL · March 2017

AndyTGD wrote: »

I agree with Zypheran, the issue is not the potential value for the individual, but rather the concern that such acceptance will encourage ZOS to raise the price of future content. If someone has the money and wants to treat themselves to a $100 virtual house, that's theirs to spend. I don't think it necessarily will be a problem though; I can't imagine too many individuals buying the cave - especially at the full asking price. That said, I've seen a lot of people riding around on Crown Crate mounts, so perhaps there are a good number of people with deep pockets.

back to the "if you spend your money it will hurt me later" argument.

sigh.

Counter-point - your not buying hair styles or ink packs may lead zos to discontinue making more of them so by keeping your wallet hypothetically speaking shut, you are to blame for my potentially being denied future content i might would have one day wanted to buy.

this merry-go-round of indirect-impact can go over and over and round and round ad-infinitum.

Do you play race-x with class-x? if not you are giving ZoS hard data points to maybe change it when I **know** vrace-x class-x is fine as it is and if they change it because not enough people play it in their metrics then its you to blame.

me buying something or me playing something is me doing those things and any tertiary third party double indirect bassackwards impact it may have in your vicinity is not going to factor into my logic and decision making.

its basically barely concealed shaming. its focusing on the people and not the price as shown in "the concern that such acceptance will encourage ZOS to raise the price of future content." that is clearly not a statement about the price but about the decisions other are making, its pointing to my purchasing it, my accepting it that will cause the problem in the future. i am the problem.

should we start the "stop playing bow stamina argonians cuz they need improvements and you playing them screws over that chance" thread and all its many many cousins?

1mirg · March 2017

Don't mind me, I'm just going to copy/ paste what I said on another thread and post it here, since the previous thread got locked.

1mirg wrote: »

Not to point out the obvious here. But when you look at the other crown prices for the other houses...

Apartments - 1k ($10.00)
Small Homes - 3-4k ($25.00)
Medium Homes - 5-6.5k ($40.00 roughly)
Large Homes - 7.5-8.5k ($60.00 roughly)
Manors - Starting at 10k ($80.00 roughly)

....you begin to see a pattern of a rising cost that rivals or is even greater than the base games price ($29.99) and even rivals or is even greater than the Gold Edition's price ($59.99)

If you have houses in game that cost more than your entire game, your sending a clear message. If ZOS wants that message to be good then something needs to give here, either the prices for crowns or the prices for houses. Either way, these prices are getting way too outta hand for a mmo. I got several houses in other mmo's and I never had to spend as much as I did with eso to get the acceptable living conditions that I would like for my character to have for themselves.

I understand that for whales, these prices aren't that much but when you look at the bigger picture here. There is clearly something wrong with the pricing as we have alot of houses in-game that cost more than both eso editions. which isn't right.

STEVIL · March 2017

riberion wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Really complaining about prices on anything on these forums is pretty sad. What makes it worse are the crusaders who think they have the right to insult others on how they spend their money. I earned my money, my bills are paid and I will spend my money how I see fit.

Wife got a $2000 engagement ring, kids all have I phones, electric is still on. If I want to spend a couple hundred dollars on a hobby it's my business. Don't like the prices, that's fine, can't afford it, oh well. Making some moral stand, good for you. Preaching to others about wasting money, bs. Go preach to someone who has a real problem other than a video game hobby. Stand outside the bar or liquor store and preach to them. Go to a bad neighborhood with drug dealers and preach to the addicts.

It's a game, no matter what someone else buys with rlm, it does not affect who you play. Insulting those who do spend that money isn't going to help. It shows a lack of intelligence and understanding that not eveyone shares your views. You want to debate than carry on, you want to insult, then others will not take you seriously.

I couldn't agree more! Also, I don't really understand the outrage, considering anyone should have realized this would at least be on par with the manor pricing. If you don't agree, don't buy it. But stop being so judgmental about how other's spend their money.

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you dont see the outrage?

Compared to ebonheart manor thingy - which costs 12k unfurnished give or take - this one is over the top egregiously max profit mongering ridiculous level going plaid way over priced at 13k unfurnished.

thats obvious!!!!!!!!!!!! takes breather !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cramping !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-)

Katahdin · March 2017

I'll reply what I did to the post above.

The base game is 3 years old so has been discounted in that time. At launch, it was $60 not $29.99. So let's compare apples to apples please.

Comparing a new release pricing to a 3 year old discounted price is not exactly equitable.

Nelson_Rebel · March 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

I'll reply what I did to the post above.

The base game is 3 years old so has been discounted in that time. At launch, it was $60 not $29.99. So let's compare apples to apples please.

Comparing a new release pricing to a 3 year old discounted price is not exactly equitable.

Do Let's

ESO Full Morrowind Chapter special edition price of $59.99

Cavern space $119.97 for ACTUAL valued pricing regardless of eso plus

RavenRoxie · March 2017

AdamBourke wrote: »

Why is everyone saying this is well priced? It's like, $95!

That's what I am saying. Has everyone here been brain washed or something? It will be $104.97 if you are buying 2 of the 5500 crown packs and 1 3000 crown pack.

I'm sorry, paying over $100 for a house in a game which serves, literally, no real purpose, is insane.

And this is someone who has spent YEARS in SecondLife, blown WAY too much money on SL houses. I also used to pay $300 a month on a full sim (land) for my SecondLife store. However, I was making far more than $300 a month so the land paid for itself. There was a purpose. (Where is ESO housing's purpose?....)

I do get the appeal for some people. Playing "let's decorate this house" can def be fun. But, once you're done, you've spent over $100 on a house that literally serves no purpose for you in ESO, other then putting crafting tables in it.... Which.... You could just go to Rawlka for close tables.

So, no. I won't be purchasing this. And sadly, housing was supposed to be fun. But, I've come to realize that it is much more beneficial for me to spend my ESO money on Armour.... weapons.... pretty much anything besides housing.

On the other hand, someone mentioned guilds pooling their crowns together for this. I could see big guilds having use for houses like this. (IDK how yall gonna pool your crowns together when we can't trade crowns tho LOL)

riberion · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

riberion wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Really complaining about prices on anything on these forums is pretty sad. What makes it worse are the crusaders who think they have the right to insult others on how they spend their money. I earned my money, my bills are paid and I will spend my money how I see fit.

Wife got a $2000 engagement ring, kids all have I phones, electric is still on. If I want to spend a couple hundred dollars on a hobby it's my business. Don't like the prices, that's fine, can't afford it, oh well. Making some moral stand, good for you. Preaching to others about wasting money, bs. Go preach to someone who has a real problem other than a video game hobby. Stand outside the bar or liquor store and preach to them. Go to a bad neighborhood with drug dealers and preach to the addicts.

It's a game, no matter what someone else buys with rlm, it does not affect who you play. Insulting those who do spend that money isn't going to help. It shows a lack of intelligence and understanding that not eveyone shares your views. You want to debate than carry on, you want to insult, then others will not take you seriously.

I couldn't agree more! Also, I don't really understand the outrage, considering anyone should have realized this would at least be on par with the manor pricing. If you don't agree, don't buy it. But stop being so judgmental about how others spend their money.

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you dont see the outrage?

Compared to ebonheart manor thingy - which costs 12k unfurnished give or take - this one is over the top egregiously max profit mongering ridiculous level going plaid way over priced at 13k unfurnished.

thats obvious!!!!!!!!!!!! takes breather !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cramping !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-)

Ok, maybe I should change my phrasing. I don't understand why anyone is shocked. To me, this is a completely expected price. Although I'm sure we will all go through this again when Grand Topal Island comes out.