AD starter home unfair?!

Katahdin · March 2017

Danikat wrote: »

This bothers me, because Vulkhel Guard is where I wanted my crafter to live, but I don't really want him to be stuck in the smallest home in the entire game. I'd be happy to buy something but the only option is that inn room. I was planning to move him up to Skywatch until I found out you can't even pick up crafting writs there. (I know you have to drop them off in set places, mostly on the mainland, but if he could at least pick up and complete the crafting writs in his home city it'd be ok.)

Now I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I suspect I'm going to have to expand his back-story so he gets bored with his retirement on Auridon and moves somewhere a bit more exciting.

He made some money scrimping and saving while living in his Vulkhul Guard apartment and decided to buy a nice retirement home with a yard that has space for crafting stations.

I suggest the Cyrodillic Jungle house in Malabar Tor. You need the Imperial Edition though.
It's right next to the Bandari trading post, wayshrine, merchants nearby and it's not expensive. A friend of mine bought it and made a nice little place for his crafter.

SolarCat02 · March 2017

colig wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

meanwhile (g I will say one thing. apartment in skywatch? is a hell of a deal for 11k you pay for it. ceilings are high enough to add a second floor with no issues whatsoever.

Woah, that's the first time I've heard anyone mention Barbed Hook, and in a positive way, even. I've definitely got to check out this insane ceiling....

I love the Barbed Hook room. Even though I have an obsession with outdoor spaces, this room is my favorite. (It's not set up as my primary, though, as I set Snugpod as a Wayshrine for the guild for dropping off AD Master Crafting Writs.)

It's the house I am going to spend my efforts decorating the nicest, though. I splurged for the Crown fire for the fireplace, and so far I have some very basic furniture plus an awesome bearskin rug. Not going crazy with decorating (my main focus is on the Writs so I can make things for the Guild Hall), so it will be a while. But it's a very nice room.

Quigster · March 2017

SadieJoan wrote: »

I don't think the AD free room is all that bad. I lived with just that one home for a little while before I gathered more furnishing plans and took the plunge and decided to purchase a bigger one. I find the little room to be rather sweet I put a second level in mine for a bedroom, so that I was able to add more furniture beneath it.

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I did not know you could make split level interiors. Going to check this out, very creative. Thanks for sharing.

Arciris · March 2017

SadieJoan wrote: »

I don't think the AD free room is all that bad. I lived with just that one home for a little while before I gathered more furnishing plans and took the plunge and decided to purchase a bigger one. I find the little room to be rather sweet I put a second level in mine for a bedroom, so that I was able to add more furniture beneath it.

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This is really nice and clever but it can not compare to what you can do with the Rosy Lion. From another thread:

Arciris wrote: »

First home is Hundings but first fully furnished in Rost Lion.
My Rosy Lion at Eso+ item cap - fully crafted it myself or got achievement stuff with gold or just looted/stole it
Remains-Silent also helped with the skull

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SirAndy · March 2017

Rylai wrote: »

It is just not possible to fit a bed in, nicely, and not even close to a desk, bed, dresser, nightstand...

It helps to be a tiny Wood Elf ...

Fishoscandi · March 2017

pact master race

Linaleah · March 2017

colig wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

meanwhile (g I will say one thing. apartment in skywatch? is a hell of a deal for 11k you pay for it. ceilings are high enough to add a second floor with no issues whatsoever.

Woah, that's the first time I've heard anyone mention Barbed Hook, and in a positive way, even. I've definitely got to check out this insane ceiling....

well.. honestly I originally bought it because it comes with that purple high elf candlestick and it was way WAY cheaper then buying one from a guild trader (and I only wanted just one anyways so didn't feel like spending a LOT more then 11k on a recipe, OR a candle itself) but then I looked at the room, played around with some planks I had left over... and I'm basically working on decorating it now. its pretty spacious for what it costs.

note to self -- play around with that elven closet as well (no seriously its what I renamed it to) seems like it also has high ceilings to compensate for tiny floor space..

Brother_Numsie · March 2017

At first I thought I would have trouble with this room because of it's size and shape, but if you move stuff around a bit it turns out to be a very nice home.

* I'll have to get more pictures when the sun comes up and post them.

Sun came up:

As you can see, plenty of room for a bed...

... and some room to invite a friend over for a drink.

MLGProPlayer · March 2017

Sure, but AD have one of the best deals on a large house in the game! Mathiisen Manor is one of the biggest houses in the game (arguably bigger than the DC and EP manors) and it only costs 1 million gold.

Housing was never supposed to be even across the alliances. Look at EP and the rehashed medium homes they have on offer in the "large" category, compared to the mansions that DC and AD get in the same category.

Stormshaper · March 2017

I see a spinoff of Tiny House Nation coming!

UrQuan · March 2017

All of these pictures of what people have done with tiny inn rooms is making me think I should really get off my rear and get decorating...

CountEdmondDantes · March 2017

SadieJoan wrote: »

Rylai wrote: »

Hey guys,
I thought a lot about writing this or not...
but I am real sad about it so I'm gonna do it.

I made a char from each alliance to get all the free starter homes and furnished all of them, beside the AD one, which my only actually played char is from.
It is just not possible to fit a bed in, nicely, and not even close to a desk, bed, dresser, nightstand... all things that fit in perfectly fine in the other starting homes.
I would LOVE to use the Auridon home!! But in the small and weird shape its just not possible, I think that needs to be changed!

Let me know your thoughts.

I don't think the AD free room is all that bad. I lived with just that one home for a little while before I gathered more furnishing plans and took the plunge and decided to purchase a bigger one. I find the little room to be rather sweet I put a second level in mine for a bedroom, so that I was able to add more furniture beneath it.

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That looks a lot like my first apartment back when I was in college thirty years ago.

Nice.

P.S. Did you have to buy that stuff or did you make it? Like the boards and stones, etc.? Well, and the furniture?

AlMcFly · March 2017

If it's not worth the cost, don't buy it. "Unfair"? Unfair to whom? Does it disadvantage someone? I understand Op's argument and agree AD is the worst of all small hotel rooms. Using the word "unfair" is a bit absurd.

KingKush · March 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

If it's not worth the cost, don't buy it. "Unfair"? Unfair to whom? Does it disadvantage someone? I understand Op's argument and agree AD is the worst of all small hotel rooms. Using the word "unfair" is a bit absurd.

Buy what? He's talking about the free starter house each alliance gets, with AD being noticeably smaller.

You clearly did not read his argument but scrolled way to the bottom to spout your nonsense.

AlMcFly · March 2017

KingKush wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

If it's not worth the cost, don't buy it. "Unfair"? Unfair to whom? Does it disadvantage someone? I understand Op's argument and agree AD is the worst of all small hotel rooms. Using the word "unfair" is a bit absurd.

Buy what? He's talking about the free starter house each alliance gets, with AD being noticeably smaller.

You clearly did not read his argument but scrolled way to the bottom to spout your nonsense.

If it's free, then it's even less "unfair". Your starter is free, but the two other starters cost a measly 3-6k gold (can't remember). I do not have to read his whole argument to know he's whining about something effectively worth less than 10k gold and nobody even cares about.

KingKush · March 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

If it's not worth the cost, don't buy it. "Unfair"? Unfair to whom? Does it disadvantage someone? I understand Op's argument and agree AD is the worst of all small hotel rooms. Using the word "unfair" is a bit absurd.

Buy what? He's talking about the free starter house each alliance gets, with AD being noticeably smaller.

You clearly did not read his argument but scrolled way to the bottom to spout your nonsense.

If it's free, then it's even less "unfair". Your starter is free, but the two other starters cost a measly 3-6k gold (can't remember). I do not have to read his whole argument to know he's whining about something effectively worth less than 10k gold and nobody even cares about.

Still wrong.

All 3 alliances have free starter homes.

Try again.

AlMcFly · March 2017

KingKush wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

If it's not worth the cost, don't buy it. "Unfair"? Unfair to whom? Does it disadvantage someone? I understand Op's argument and agree AD is the worst of all small hotel rooms. Using the word "unfair" is a bit absurd.

Buy what? He's talking about the free starter house each alliance gets, with AD being noticeably smaller.

You clearly did not read his argument but scrolled way to the bottom to spout your nonsense.

If it's free, then it's even less "unfair". Your starter is free, but the two other starters cost a measly 3-6k gold (can't remember). I do not have to read his whole argument to know he's whining about something effectively worth less than 10k gold and nobody even cares about.

Still wrong.

All 3 alliances have free starter homes.

Try again.

So, you're trying to tell me that on my main character, who is AD, I wasn't required to pay gold for the EP and DC starter hotel rooms when I went to buy them on the same character? Do you often accuse others of "not reading and spouting nonsense", yet doing the very same thing you accuse others of doing?

SolarCat02 · March 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

If it's not worth the cost, don't buy it. "Unfair"? Unfair to whom? Does it disadvantage someone? I understand Op's argument and agree AD is the worst of all small hotel rooms. Using the word "unfair" is a bit absurd.

Buy what? He's talking about the free starter house each alliance gets, with AD being noticeably smaller.

You clearly did not read his argument but scrolled way to the bottom to spout your nonsense.

If it's free, then it's even less "unfair". Your starter is free, but the two other starters cost a measly 3-6k gold (can't remember). I do not have to read his whole argument to know he's whining about something effectively worth less than 10k gold and nobody even cares about.

Still wrong.

All 3 alliances have free starter homes.

Try again.

So, you're trying to tell me that on my main character, who is AD, I wasn't required to pay gold for the EP and DC starter hotel rooms when I went to buy them on the same character? Do you often accuse others of "not reading and spouting nonsense", yet doing the very same thing you accuse others of doing?

The EP and DC ones are free to EP and DC characters, respectively.
If you only play AD characters, then your free home is half the size of the free apartments available to players in EP or DC.
If you only play EP or DC characters, your starting apartment is twice the size of someone who only plays AD.
If you play all three alliances, of course, then you can get all three for free.

Jeremy · March 2017

Rylai wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

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So what if the house is free or not, if the other 2 starter houses, which are also free, are noticeably larger than the one in AD(which they are) then of course ppl are gonna complain. Choosing a different alliance than the other shouldn't automatically net you with a larger house. That's a design flaw imo.

I personally don't give a *** about housing but getting annoyed at all the unjustified hate OP is getting.

Thanks a lot!
I was really shocked by all this hate.
Your comment means much to me

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Hate is a bit strong. I would agree that you got some unproductive responses.

But you also got some very useful ones. I have already read several posts (complete with pictures and all) that show how to fit a bed and other assorted furniture into your room.

So I would say that your thread achieved its purpose and more, producing some valuable feedback you can probably put to good use.

smackysmacks · March 2017

Some terrible posting going on in this thread.

I'm new here, the thing I really like about this game is the variety even if it means some things are crappy, unbalanced or op. It's not so homogenised in comparison to other games. This goes from skills through to *** starter houses. If they were all the same/similar it would be a lesser game for it. I kinda like that room being tiny and crap it would is going to be my first choice in housing.

alexkdd99 · March 2017

Rylai wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Johnfred24 wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

A free thing can't be "unfair", even if it's rubbish...you don't get to complain about free stuff.

Go do the other faction quests and get their free inn rooms, or better yet - go buy yourself a nice house and decorate the crap out of it!

What kind of logic is that? Of course free things can be unfair...

No they can't.

If it's free it's something for nothing, more than you had before.

Is getting something for nothing unfair?

If you see it like that, then it was not free, I bought the game, I spent my time for the quest and for all that input it is not fair.

Lol then I could say the entire game is unfair. But alas that is just opinions.

The point being made is your complaining about an extra FREE content added to the game.

You did not pay a dime for homestead, so no you didn't pay for that bit of content. You bought the game and they GAVE you homestead.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2017

For such a trivial subject, this thread has sure turned into a car crash. I can only assume it was a train wreck before the mods came in. You are all as mad as a box of frogs.

ProfesseurFreder · March 2017

SadieJoan, what you did is SO VERY COOL. Proof that the room is what you make it. Mais WOW.

TheImperfect · March 2017

Black Vine Villa is nice for the price, and in a beautiful area.

Grymmoire · March 2017

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's claustrophobic indeed, but it has to be that way due to the building structure it's in.

Indeed!!

Who in their right mind (designer) thought creating a hexagonal room would be conducive to placing anything rectilinear or round in there, which is how most furnishings seem to be designed?

This room's odd shape is what restricts and limits design. Being housing is instanced, it could just as well be designed as a square or rectangle with or without an off-set door.

Also, to build a second floor and place the bed above is innovative to be sure, but remember non subscribers are limited to 15 furnishings, 1 trophy and 1 collectible; the steps alone would appear to chew into that limit, not to mention the furnishings like the planks or platform to build the upper floor and the actual niceties (bed; nightstand; rugs; lighting etc).

At any rate, why should one alliance have to spend that degree of resources just to place their furniture, wherein the other two would not incur that penalty?

When I log in tonight, I will examine the outside of Mara's Inn and see if it has a turret which would have warranted this design, because if so, I have never really noticed and perhaps that would lend a tad of credibility to this horrid design.

wolfdoggie_ESO · March 2017

Snugpod's size makes me sad (ima wood elf). Wish it had a yard. A few races got shafted on small homes. I got the Norn one cuz it was hugegantic both inside and out but it sometimes feels odd living in enemy territory but equality didn't exist among houses so the choice felt kinda forced. At least I won't feel as bad assassinating NPCs in that zone.
As for the apartments the AD one is indeed pretty meh but they're all terrible in general still and not much point in wasting time decorating them.

Elara_Northwind · March 2017

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Rylai wrote: »

Hey guys,
I thought a lot about writing this or not...
but I am real sad about it so I'm gonna do it.

I made a char from each alliance to get all the free starter homes and furnished all of them, beside the AD one, which my only actually played char is from.
It is just not possible to fit a bed in, nicely, and not even close to a desk, bed, dresser, nightstand... all things that fit in perfectly fine in the other starting homes.
I would LOVE to use the Auridon home!! But in the small and weird shape its just not possible, I think that needs to be changed!

Let me know your thoughts.

I don't think the AD free room is all that bad. I lived with just that one home for a little while before I gathered more furnishing plans and took the plunge and decided to purchase a bigger one. I find the little room to be rather sweet I put a second level in mine for a bedroom, so that I was able to add more furniture beneath it.

[img][/img]Screenshot_20170208_100256

[img][/img]Screenshot_20170208_100318

That looks a lot like my first apartment back when I was in college thirty years ago.

Nice.

P.S. Did you have to buy that stuff or did you make it? Like the boards and stones, etc.? Well, and the furniture?

I crafted all of it (which is why everything is pretty random in terms of style) apart from the plank and stones for the stairs and level, they were 100 gold each at a merchant

Oh, actually, the 'hiding place' and the light and banner were achievement items also, as were the sweetrolls, all from hews bane

The best thing about the hiding place... If you are a smaller character, you can actually hide inside it! Took my friends forever to find me in my larger home in one of those

my Breton can fit in there perfectly, though unfortunately my Altmer is too big

Grymmoire · March 2017

SadieJoan wrote: »

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Rylai wrote: »

Hey guys,
I thought a lot about writing this or not...
but I am real sad about it so I'm gonna do it.

I made a char from each alliance to get all the free starter homes and furnished all of them, beside the AD one, which my only actually played char is from.
It is just not possible to fit a bed in, nicely, and not even close to a desk, bed, dresser, nightstand... all things that fit in perfectly fine in the other starting homes.
I would LOVE to use the Auridon home!! But in the small and weird shape its just not possible, I think that needs to be changed!

Let me know your thoughts.

I don't think the AD free room is all that bad. I lived with just that one home for a little while before I gathered more furnishing plans and took the plunge and decided to purchase a bigger one. I find the little room to be rather sweet I put a second level in mine for a bedroom, so that I was able to add more furniture beneath it.

[img][/img]Screenshot_20170208_100256

[img][/img]Screenshot_20170208_100318

That looks a lot like my first apartment back when I was in college thirty years ago.

Nice.

P.S. Did you have to buy that stuff or did you make it? Like the boards and stones, etc.? Well, and the furniture?

I crafted all of it (which is why everything is pretty random in terms of style) apart from the plank and stones for the stairs and level, they were 100 gold each at a merchant

Oh, actually, the 'hiding place' and the light and baner were achievement items also, as were the sweetrolls, all from hews bane

And despite the overall negative tone of my post above, your design is absolutely a superb architectural answer to a horrid interior design layout....many Kudos!!!

fisheatsteel · March 2017

I think the devs are racist. Apparently Auridonians(?) are all midgets that deserve tiny room-houses.

Elara_Northwind · March 2017

And despite the overall negative tone of my post above, your design is absolutely a superb architectural answer to a horrid interior design layout....many Kudos!!!

Thank you

I only play AD characters, so in the beginning, before I got any furnishing plans and things, this free inn room was my only choice so I had to try and make the most of it. I do agree that it is ridiculously small, and much harder to decorate due to its awkward shape though, I completely get where you are coming from! On the flip side though, if you look at the very cheap 11k or so apartments, pretty sure EP luck out there with that weird room. Its tiny and its completely curved, would be a true challenge to make that one look good

I decorated the DC free inn room on pts, and that was far easier, I think some of the differences with housing in each alliance has to do with the races though...

AD and EP dedicate much of their housing to races whose homes may be seen as 'undesirable' (such as treehouses and mudhuts) many people may like them but I believe as a whole, most people probably avoid them. I still don't completely understand why we had to have 3 of these types of homes, after all, Argonians have beautiful temples and stone buildings which could have made great homes (An underground temple home or something would have been very cool for Argonains imo, like the one in shadowfen, or one of their iconic 'pyramid' type structures) and Bosmer homes were just differing numbers of 'snugpods' linked together with pathways, with no larger floor spaces, like Eldenroot, something beautiful could have been made with Eldenroot as inspiration, or even one of the bosmer caves beneath it...

DC have very 'ordinary' races, so their homes are more of what people are used to I suppose, which is why I believe people prefer those types of homes. They don't have a chunk of them dedicated to something unusual and difficult to decorate...