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Aiming for a high DPS magicka class - Sorc or Templar?
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.
The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.
Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now
I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.
Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.
Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.
I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g
Oh dude I for sure agree I dont use pets, since I like to keep my rotation the same regardless of fight, that being said in the video above he got 57k single target on a sorc, which is really amazing and definitely not the norm. Like you said he was guarded and it was a no kechanic fight for him. I agree that no pet setup is BiS overall and im grinding for that sharp moondancer fire staff atm. For now I have to make due with lightning sharp moondancer staff frontbar:)
Yeah but I still think sorcs are much better than Templar's even without pets was my point.
I personally have not been in AA on a templar, but just looking at vMoL parses I find it hard to believe. Maybe thats just the favt that sorca have more to do, but idk...once (if) we go to AA, ill know for sure..
Oh you are a sorc? Then you wont mind being first back team and running meteors. While you are at it, please pull 50k. Haha0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.
The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.
Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now
I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.
Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.
Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.
I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g
Oh dude I for sure agree I dont use pets, since I like to keep my rotation the same regardless of fight, that being said in the video above he got 57k single target on a sorc, which is really amazing and definitely not the norm. Like you said he was guarded and it was a no kechanic fight for him. I agree that no pet setup is BiS overall and im grinding for that sharp moondancer fire staff atm. For now I have to make due with lightning sharp moondancer staff frontbar:)
Yeah but I still think sorcs are much better than Templar's even without pets was my point.
I personally have not been in AA on a templar, but just looking at vMoL parses I find it hard to believe. Maybe thats just the favt that sorca have more to do, but idk...once (if) we go to AA, ill know for sure..
Oh you are a sorc? Then you wont mind being first back team and running meteors. While you are at it, please pull 50k. Haha
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EldritchPenguin✭✭✭✭✭
Bound Armor grants more max Magicka than Inner Light, and the Major Prophecy buff can come from potions to make up for the loss of it from Inner Light. So adding Major Prophecy to your Major Sorcery potions and replacing Inner Light with Bound Armor is an overall DPS gain.datgladiatah wrote: »DschiPeunt wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.
The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.
Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now
I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.
Waiting for a similar Templar parse
How'd you get your bars to look like that? ESO Foundry eludes me. That was a wild ride. I really want a magsorc now
Also how come you use bound armor over inner light?Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Vaynothah Sailenar - Dark Elf Templar
Sherivah Telvanni - Dark Elf Sorcerer
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✭Magplars are jack of all trades and even masters of things like execute, healing and has a perfect hybrid 3in1 build.0 -
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Bound Armor = 5%EldritchPenguin wrote: »Bound Armor grants more max Magicka than Inner Light
Inner Light + Magica Controller = 4%
1% difference. Inner light is better for crit characters, i.e 99% players )0 -
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GilGalad✭✭✭✭✭
Bound Armor = 5%EldritchPenguin wrote: »Bound Armor grants more max Magicka than Inner Light
Inner Light + Magica Controller = 4%
1% difference. Inner light is better for crit characters, i.e 99% players )
When morphed and maxed out you get the following:
Bound Aegis: 8% max magicka, 2% spell dmg (Sorc passive)
Inner light: 5%+2% max magicka, 2% magicka reg, major prophecy
Everyone who is doing end game stuff has to use potions on cooldown, since there is no space for spellpower buffs in most builds and having to cast them ls a DPS loss. Therefore you will have major prophecy from your poitions, and Bound Aegis not only gives you 1% more max magicka, but 2% more spell dmg in addition.
Inner light is only better for people who run without spellpower potions, and a DK in the group to provide the spellpower buff.1 -
Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag sorcs are very good.
It is the best PVP dps class because you can go glass cannon ...and put on your shields and you are not glassy anymore - and it is an extremely mobile class too.
Do you want to do some No deaths VMA runs - mag sorc is your answer again!
ZOS might balance(nerf) mag sorcs for morrowind or there will be only mag sorcs groups in the tournament lists.
But even with the nerfs that sorcs might get - the mobility will give sorcs an edge in tournaments.
Just roll a sorc and you will not miss with it.
And then roll a templar when you'll want to try a different play-style.0
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