Aiming for a high DPS magicka class - Sorc or Templar?

Betsararie · March 2017

I am wondering with current meta which class is better for a pure dps role? (both pve and pvp)

I mainly play stam characters but I wanted to roll a mag character this time around and see absolutely no consensus on the forums. Anyone care to answer which one is the better DPS class?

darthsithis · March 2017

Sorc is highest in game right now

darthsithis · March 2017

With pets. Look up the builds on this forum! I've typed it out so many times but 45-50k dps is achievable

Betsararie · March 2017

I will be taking a close look at them.

I just see all of these people claiming magplar is somehow better but I thought sorc was better.

I already made the sorc. Look forward to lvling

EldritchPenguin · March 2017

eso_brawler wrote: »

I will be taking a close look at them.

I just see all of these people claiming magplar is somehow better but I thought sorc was better.

I already made the sorc. Look forward to lvling

Magplar was pretty much indisputably better last patch, but Homestead broght some heavy Magplar nerfs and an awesome buff to Volaitle Familiar. So now Sorcerers pull ahead.

Betsararie · March 2017

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

eso_brawler wrote: »

I will be taking a close look at them.

I just see all of these people claiming magplar is somehow better but I thought sorc was better.

I already made the sorc. Look forward to lvling

Magplar was pretty much indisputably better last patch, but Homestead broght some heavy Magplar nerfs and an awesome buff to Volaitle Familiar. So now Sorcerers pull ahead.

Ok, that makes sense then.

Depending on when the thread was active, one thread would lean sorc, and another would lean Templar when I was researching this subject.

I knew it was due to patches, but it still was confusing trying to determine which class was optimal.

Maybe I didn't know homestead brought wth it some magplar nerfs, good to know.

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

eso_brawler wrote: »

I am wondering with current meta which class is better for a pure dps role? (both pve and pvp)

I mainly play stam characters but I wanted to roll a mag character this time around and see absolutely no consensus on the forums. Anyone care to answer which one is the better DPS class?

Templar is more dps, but harder to get the BiS gear.

Gal · March 2017

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

Betsararie · March 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

eso_brawler wrote: »

I am wondering with current meta which class is better for a pure dps role? (both pve and pvp)

I mainly play stam characters but I wanted to roll a mag character this time around and see absolutely no consensus on the forums. Anyone care to answer which one is the better DPS class?

Templar is more dps, but harder to get the BiS gear.

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

Interesting. All good to know

I see this type of ongoing debate but I realize it isn't all black and white.

I like what you said that they all fulfill different roles, and this is true, in that way it can be hard to compare the 3.

Based off playstyle I think I would enjoy mag sorc the most, and after starting my mag sorc and getting him to level 10 (I know that isn't much to go off), he is possibly the most enjoyable character I have played yet and dishes out large amounts of damage with some fun skills to use. I plan on leveling this character for use in endgame content

darthsithis · March 2017

Not to mention those dots on mag dk...fiery breath before all the dots and then whip em lol it's nuts

darthsithis · March 2017

Sorc endgame gear apparently should be necropotence and have bound aegis slotted but that's too many toggles for me. It's for 55k max magic since pet scales off of max magicka not spell power.

I still do burning spell weave and the pet does just fine lol. I'm literally farming vMA with a scamp lol

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Patouf · March 2017

best dps overall vTrial (so with trahs fights and boss + adds) : mPlar => more useful for group, easy to survive

best dps single target : mSorc => easiest to reach a decent dps, can dps from range

DschiPeunt · March 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycC-cgMZFYo

Waiting for a similar Templar parse

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

DschiPeunt wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycC-cgMZFYo

Waiting for a similar Templar parse

Can I see that familiar build on the first boss of vMoL please?;)

datgladiatah · March 2017

DschiPeunt wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycC-cgMZFYo

Waiting for a similar Templar parse

How'd you get your bars to look like that? ESO Foundry eludes me. That was a wild ride. I really want a magsorc now

Also how come you use bound armor over inner light?

cpuScientist · March 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

cpuScientist · March 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

Yeah I know I agree with that. That's the ideal scenario for a pet sorc. I just mean I know the templar execute got a nerf, but that damage was somewhat replaced (atleast in my testing) with the shard and purfying light buffs. Basically around the same DPS just more of a rotation now to achieve it.

But what kind of numbers are you pulling on say the dummy or on single target bosses. (I know that's not a good measuring stick but just curious)

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

Yeah I know I agree with that. That's the ideal scenario for a pet sorc. I just mean I know the templar execute got a nerf, but that damage was somewhat replaced (atleast in my testing) with the shard and purfying light buffs. Basically around the same DPS just more of a rotation now to achieve it.

But what kind of numbers are you pulling on say the dummy or on single target bosses. (I know that's not a good measuring stick but just curious)

Sorc VS Templar? Around the same, but in trials sorcs usually have to do a whole lot more than DPS, so playing a templar is easier and thus easiest to achieve high numbers...as a sorc you will have to do other jobs.

DschiPeunt · March 2017

datgladiatah wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycC-cgMZFYo

Waiting for a similar Templar parse

How'd you get your bars to look like that? ESO Foundry eludes me. That was a wild ride. I really want a magsorc now

Also how come you use bound armor over inner light?

That wasn't one of my videos, so I don't know the answers. Anyway, it shows, that sorcs are hitting pretty hard.

Although @hedna123b14_ESO is right, that you cannot use the pet on all fights, sorcs still hit pretty hard without the pet. On top of that, those mechanic-intense fights also make things harder for melees, too. For me, sorcs are the best choice for max DPS right now, because it is a range build with insane single target and AoE.

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

DschiPeunt wrote: »

datgladiatah wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycC-cgMZFYo

Waiting for a similar Templar parse

How'd you get your bars to look like that? ESO Foundry eludes me. That was a wild ride. I really want a magsorc now

Also how come you use bound armor over inner light?

That wasn't one of my videos, so I don't know the answers. Anyway, it shows, that sorcs are hitting pretty hard.

Although @hedna123b14_ESO is right, that you cannot use the pet on all fights, sorcs still hit pretty hard without the pet. On top of that, those mechanic-intense fights also make things harder for melees, too. For me, sorcs are the best choice for max DPS right now, because it is a range build with insane single target and AoE.

Oh sorcs are for sure in a good spot. I main one in my group, but for melee most fights are less tactic intensive (very few exceptions)

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2017

darthsithis wrote: »

Sorc is highest in game right now

No its really not. It is certainly the best ranged option, but DKs are pulling bigger numbers (they should as they are melee). Also realize that while pets are very strong, they are not viable in a lot of fights because the pet will not follow mechanics and die.

Foxic · March 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2017

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

@TotallyNotVos
Looks like someone is back on their sorc. haha

Foxic · March 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

@TotallyNotVos
Looks like someone is back on their sorc. haha

Lol I wish, this is navis

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2017

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

@TotallyNotVos
Looks like someone is back on their sorc. haha

Lol I wish, this is navis

@TotallyNotVos
What did Lan hit on that one. DKs still in front?

Foxic · March 2017

@Oreyn_Bearclaw yeah dk is still ahead, all of our dks have hit 52-54K single. So far the only sorc that can compete with that was guarded and had a pet

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

Oh dude I for sure agree I dont use pets, since I like to keep my rotation the same regardless of fight, that being said in the video above he got 57k single target on a sorc, which is really amazing and definitely not the norm. Like you said he was guarded and it was a no kechanic fight for him. I agree that no pet setup is BiS overall and im grinding for that sharp moondancer fire staff atm. For now I have to make due with lightning sharp moondancer staff frontbar:)

Foxic · March 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

Oh dude I for sure agree I dont use pets, since I like to keep my rotation the same regardless of fight, that being said in the video above he got 57k single target on a sorc, which is really amazing and definitely not the norm. Like you said he was guarded and it was a no kechanic fight for him. I agree that no pet setup is BiS overall and im grinding for that sharp moondancer fire staff atm. For now I have to make due with lightning sharp moondancer staff frontbar:)

Yeah but I still think sorcs are much better than Templar's even without pets was my point.

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2017

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@eso_brawler Both are insanely good if played right and both have very comparative dps, it just depends on how well you know your build but play whichever one has a playstyle which you like better.

The nice thing about Magicka Dragonknights, Magicka Templars, and Magicka Sorcerers, is that each bring different utility to the table. For example, MDK's pull high single target, Templars have somewhat lower single pre execute but have great cleave and the strongest execute, and sorcs can go ranged and deal monster dps so id recommend making one of each. Because of that, there is no "best class" at endgame right now because each of those three have something unique to offer to the group.

Also, @hedna123b14_ESO Its not that hard to get bis gear on a Templar, Willpower swords are comparable too moondancer swords and I can pull extremely comparable dps on both and Sorcerers are arguably higher dps than Magicka Templars right now

I havent seen anything hit as hard as 5 moondancer 5 bsw 2 grothdar. Additionally sorc, while having great AoE pulls lower single target and since single target is really all that matters, templar definitely wins.

Ahhh those swords. I've been trying my darndest to get them, and simply cannot lol. But is it really better than a pet sorc this patch (single target) AOE is always gonna be great on pet sorc but not important lol I want the boss dead not inflated numbers.

Issue with Pet Sorc is it doesnt work too well on certain fights...the fight linked above is a stack and burn no mechanic fight. In such a fight a pet sorc is ideal, but in anything which requires actual mechanics it would be a different situation.

I'll raise you a 50K single parse with no pet and a dead staff backbar https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC78G8pjUDxNgQJuuggtPsyu_v2Pt9jPvMymzlUh2zW7qeUPncQ7TO3Cq33dtU8ToHSb5tVcznu-laxxOhXhyEyB5c4sv-XTykERqZEGDyxFSF0cUFaKGZ1DtYInuA1mvn-AAxpJSY.7adq6S3h_QDy08IwzsVSaWy246g

Oh dude I for sure agree I dont use pets, since I like to keep my rotation the same regardless of fight, that being said in the video above he got 57k single target on a sorc, which is really amazing and definitely not the norm. Like you said he was guarded and it was a no kechanic fight for him. I agree that no pet setup is BiS overall and im grinding for that sharp moondancer fire staff atm. For now I have to make due with lightning sharp moondancer staff frontbar:)

Yeah but I still think sorcs are much better than Templar's even without pets was my point.

I personally have not been in AA on a templar, but just looking at vMoL parses I find it hard to believe. Maybe thats just the favt that sorca have more to do, but idk...once (if) we go to AA, ill know for sure..