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Support for crown crates?
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »I use my money how I damn well pleases
Married? I talked like that once...those were good days.
looool
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Perhaps if more people had coughed up and subbed in the beginning instead of screaming about it being a sub only game, it would now not be B2P.
Oh please.
Not this myth again.
The moment ZOS decided that ESO was going to be a multi-platform game was the moment that B2P was 100% inevitable and necessary.
All the bluster prior to Console Launch that ESO was always going to be a Sub game was smoke and mirrors.
There was no way on earth Console players would pay a monthly network Sub and an ESO Sub - so Console was always going to be B2P.
There was no way that once Console was B2P that ZOS could keep PC alive if PC were Sub and Console was B2P - so PC was always going to go B2P once Console was live.
And that means all the guff prior to Console going live about ESO always being a Sub based game was just half-truths to cover up an initial cash-grab.
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭You know, this anti Crown Crate campaign has gotten way out of hand, there are people on the forums and in game who are being harassed, bullied and shouted down every time the post anything remotely positive about purchasing crates, or items they receive from them, the same 10 or so forum posters shout them down and ridicule them. One of my friends a few days ago received a tell saying she should kill herself because she was riding a apex mount. She uninstalled the game and went back to SWTOR.
I'm amazed that this is allowed on any MMO, during my time in the industry people would have their accounts perma-banned for such conduct. I think ZoS needs to step in, they will lose players if this continues, personally I'm amazed that I'm even typing this on a Elder Scrolls forum, but the community has drastically changed in the past few years.Edited by Balamoor on March 5, 2017 4:59PM3 -
merryblues✭✭✭It's way worse than the Storm crates drop rate which turned out to be okay. The wife and I bought 30 Wild Hunt crates just like did with the Storm crates. This time we got 2 5th cards per 15 and the best item was an experience scroll. No apex, not one cool thing. I got the same sad dog pet 7 times. My wife said it went from something cool to a total rip off. We might try again next season, but if future seasons are like the Wild Hunt's rig n' gouge season, then we won't ever buy another crate. I hope some of you hear this 0/60 cool items.. good luck.0 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Perhaps if more people had coughed up and subbed in the beginning instead of screaming about it being a sub only game, it would now not be B2P.
Oh please.
Not this myth again.
The moment ZOS decided that ESO was going to be a multi-platform game was the moment that B2P was 100% inevitable and necessary.
All the bluster prior to Console Launch that ESO was always going to be a Sub game was smoke and mirrors.
There was no way on earth Console players would pay a monthly network Sub and an ESO Sub - so Console was always going to be B2P.
There was no way that once Console was B2P that ZOS could keep PC alive if PC were Sub and Console was B2P - so PC was always going to go B2P once Console was live.
And that means all the guff prior to Console going live about ESO always being a Sub based game was just half-truths to cover up an initial cash-grab.
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Final Fantasy XIV? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV
A game so bad it never made it to console (and so bears no valid comparison) and was shut down after 2 years?
I think you mean Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn - a very different game in so many ways.
But hey, one example, must mean my argument is so flawed, eh?
But hang on, I distinctly recall comments by ZOS at the time of Console Launch stating that it would be untenable to charge twice for console access, and that it would also be untenable to have Console as B2P and PC and P2P. Perhaps you weren't around then.
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Ojustaboo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not a fan of this type of monetising in general, but it does have its uses.
If I'm levelling up an alt to play PvP, I don't' want to wait 60 days before he's fast enough to keep up with the rest of the group.
Likewise, if you sub and have spare crowns, it can make more sense to say buy xp pots if you want them, than spend the time fishing or to spend the time making the money to buy the roe.
Time is valuable and for many of us, we don't have a lot of time to play (although I do at the moment) and being able to pay to get these things is a good investment for many. A game that someone plays 6 or 7 nights a week for a couple of hrs or more, who cares if they spend £200 over the course of a few months on crates, I pay £35 a month for my Gym and I spend far far far more time playing ESO each month than at the gym
Other people have other hobbies, whether trains, model aircraft, wood turning or whatever, I guarantee, nearly all of them spend far more on their hobbies than most of us do on crates.
One thing you can guarantee in life is that if someone demands we stop doing something because they don't like it, more people will do it.
Edited by Ojustaboo on March 5, 2017 4:59PM1 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭To a sociologist it might serve as an example of humans' tendency to do things without thinking, or to ingratiate themselves with their captors as an imagined self defensive mechanism...
That someone pointing out how lack of self control not to buy rip-off gambling items that ruin the game's healthy Crown store selection would actually cause people to want them MORE. As if they just can't wait to be ripped off...
But really, I think most of those type of comments are just trolling. Honestly nothing productive ever comes of these threads. They are just bait for people that feel the need to cause other people frustration.
Which is why I pretty much just ignore them now.0 -
Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You know, this anti Crown Crate campaign has gotten way out of hand, there are people on the forums and in game who are being harassed, bullied and shouted down every time the post anything remotely positive about purchasing crates, or items they receive from them, the same 10 or so forum posters shout them down and ridicule them. One of my friends a few days ago received a tell saying she should kill herself because she was riding a apex mount. She uninstalled the game and went back to SWTOR.
I'm amazed that this is allowed on any MMO, during my time in the industry people would have their accounts perma-banned for such conduct. I think ZoS needs to step in, they will lose players if this continues, personally I'm amazed that I'm even typing this on a Elder Scrolls forum, but the community has drastically changed in the past few years.
Oh trying to make this personal so that ZOS would take action? lol nice try, I doubt your story is real, no one would pay all that money to get an apex mount only to quit just beacsue one guy was so mean to her.Edited by Bigevilpeter on March 5, 2017 5:59PM2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You know, this anti Crown Crate campaign has gotten way out of hand, there are people on the forums and in game who are being harassed, bullied and shouted down every time the post anything remotely positive about purchasing crates, or items they receive from them, the same 10 or so forum posters shout them down and ridicule them. One of my friends a few days ago received a tell saying she should kill herself because she was riding a apex mount.
Hopefully, she reported them before she left, so that they can be perma-banned.
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Servers are laggy, crown store is desolate and empty, ZOS Change name of DLC to expansion to scam eso+ and crown owners. They add gamble crates but game is less stable than private server MMOs. YET people buy crown crates, good luck waiting zos to make a positive change to the game while people mindlessly spend their money.
I think at this point ZOS realizesYou know, this anti Crown Crate campaign has gotten way out of hand, there are people on the forums and in game who are being harassed, bullied and shouted down every time the post anything remotely positive about purchasing crates, or items they receive from them, the same 10 or so forum posters shout them down and ridicule them. One of my friends a few days ago received a tell saying she should kill herself because she was riding a apex mount. She uninstalled the game and went back to SWTOR.
I'm amazed that this is allowed on any MMO, during my time in the industry people would have their accounts perma-banned for such conduct. I think ZoS needs to step in, they will lose players if this continues, personally I'm amazed that I'm even typing this on a Elder Scrolls forum, but the community has drastically changed in the past few years.
Oh trying to make this personal so that ZOS would take action? lol nice try, I doubt your story is real, no one would pay all that money to get an apex mount only to quit just beacsue one guy was so mean to her.
Whatever dude, what I posted doesn't require your belief and it is being investigated more I won't say. Also The PAWS folks have already made it personal by constantly attacking other posters. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's how the opinion is expressed that makes a difference.
And that's all I'm saying on it.Edited by Balamoor on March 5, 2017 5:23PM0 -
Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP, don't anger the whales!
Let them throw ludicrous sums of RL money at cosmetic items. That's what pays for this game.
There is nothing in crown store or crates that gives an in-game advantage. As long as it stays like this I don't mind.
I would like to see a bit of a stem in the tide that is the ever increasing crown store prices but I know that aint gonna happen!
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Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The PAWS folks have already made it personal by constantly attacking other posters.
Because stereotyping an entire group for the actions of one is totally legit.
But just FYI, Santie Claws, who started the whole PAWS thing, is one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. The whole idea was to express discontent with the greedy mismanagement of the gambling box fad in an Elder Scrolls game without the conversation devolving into an "us vs. them" standoff.
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Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The PAWS folks have already made it personal by constantly attacking other posters.
Because stereotyping an entire group for the actions of one is totally legit.
But just FYI, Santie Claws, who started the whole PAWS thing, is one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. The whole idea was to express discontent with the greedy mismanagement of the gambling box fad in an Elder Scrolls game without the conversation devolving into an "us vs. them" standoff.
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alexkdd99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Seeing all this money wasted just makes me sad. The mounts do look epic, but putting them behind an rng wall that costs so much money with a very low chance is one of the biggest scams ever.
I didn't buy crown crates yet, but I saw some videos on youtube of openings and I see how many people were disappointing and just threw so much money away.
Even if you have too much money to spend, there are other more useful ways to spend it other than supporting this massive scam.
Even if there was 100% chance to get a mount every 15 boxes it would still be the equivalent of 40$ for a mount which is the price of many brand new games.
Supporting things like that only encourages them to scam you more.
It's only a scam if you don't know what you are buying. To which I think they make it pretty clear that your are not guaranteed any 1 item. In your price analysis you forget to add in all the other stuff you get from opening those 15 crates. And what you consider more useful way to spend money may not be the same for all. And since it is not your money they are spending you can't say whether or not the money could have spent in a better way(that's your opinion) , it's not your money.
Don't want them? Don't buy them. But stop trying to tell others how they should spend their money. It is not yours, you didn't work for it, you have no ground to stand on when telling others what to do with their money.
I don't tell others to go buy more because I enjoy them.
So in 15 crates you will get approximately 60 items or more depending on how many boxes have a 5th card. So in your example you would get an apex mount, which imo is the best looking mounts in the game and definitely better than the other mounts being sold for 40$. Plus you get roughly 60 other cosmetic/ consumable.
Again though, at the end of the day of you don't want them, don't buy them. It's very simple. I will spend my money on what I choose and you can do the same.2 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Servers are laggy, crown store is desolate and empty, ZOS Change name of DLC to expansion to scam eso+ and crown owners. They add gamble crates but game is less stable than private server MMOs. YET people buy crown crates, good luck waiting zos to make a positive change to the game while people mindlessly spend their money.
I think at this point ZOS realizesYou know, this anti Crown Crate campaign has gotten way out of hand, there are people on the forums and in game who are being harassed, bullied and shouted down every time the post anything remotely positive about purchasing crates, or items they receive from them, the same 10 or so forum posters shout them down and ridicule them. One of my friends a few days ago received a tell saying she should kill herself because she was riding a apex mount. She uninstalled the game and went back to SWTOR.
I'm amazed that this is allowed on any MMO, during my time in the industry people would have their accounts perma-banned for such conduct. I think ZoS needs to step in, they will lose players if this continues, personally I'm amazed that I'm even typing this on a Elder Scrolls forum, but the community has drastically changed in the past few years.
Oh trying to make this personal so that ZOS would take action? lol nice try, I doubt your story is real, no one would pay all that money to get an apex mount only to quit just beacsue one guy was so mean to her.
There is a difference between "being mean" and saying "kill yourself." That can be really traumatizing, especially for someone who may already struggle with depression or suicidal thoughts... I know first-hand that for people who struggle with those things, peace of mind is worth way more than whatever money they might have spent to get that mount.
You can say "One story doesn't represent everyone," but don't invalidate someone's reaction just because it's not what you'd have done.
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Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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alexkdd99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Ok, here's some "ADVICE" Spend your money the way you want because it's YOUR MONEY.
Thats not very good advice, even if I have money I shouldnt spend it om drugs and prostitues just cause its my money, yes I'm free to do what I want, but if it harms me and the society then I should consider people's advice on not doing them
What in the world are you talking about. We are playing eso not buying prostitutes and drugs. And you consider others advice when it is asked for. I don't recall asking anyone here to be my financial advisor. I most definitely would not consider the advice of a random person on the internet who could very well be a teenager.
Not sure where prostitutes and drugs came in at, that's pretty far out there considering the subject at hand.3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The PAWS folks have already made it personal by constantly attacking other posters.
Because stereotyping an entire group for the actions of one is totally legit.
But just FYI, Santie Claws, who started the whole PAWS thing, is one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. The whole idea was to express discontent with the greedy mismanagement of the gambling box fad in an Elder Scrolls game without the conversation devolving into an "us vs. them" standoff.
Santie was there from the beginning, yes. September 29, 2016. The day that the group was formed and was named.
PAWS is not about attacking people for buying Crates, or using the stuff they get in the Crates. It is about raising and maintaining awareness that these Crates are not welcomed by everyone, without violating the ToS, CoC. or any other TLA. No petitions or demands upon ZOS or Bethesda. No threatening players who buy them, or use the items that they get from them.
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Argruna✭✭✭Don't buy crown crates because they are a waste of money!
Yet sub because craft bag and stuff.
Naw, I'll buy crates since I can break down the small items I don't want into gems. Now if only they'd give me the option to break down some of the items that you do get (was never interested in the Banekin pet for one) I'd enjoy them more.
And I thought that 4,000 crowns for a mount got people in a tizzy. Anyway, we should be able to spend our money however we like be it wisely or unwisely. I refuse to get a sub but still want to support the game in some way. If that means buying crowns and using the crowns on crates, then so be it.3 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »The PAWS folks have already made it personal by constantly attacking other posters.
Because stereotyping an entire group for the actions of one is totally legit.
But just FYI, Santie Claws, who started the whole PAWS thing, is one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. The whole idea was to express discontent with the greedy mismanagement of the gambling box fad in an Elder Scrolls game without the conversation devolving into an "us vs. them" standoff.
Santie was there from the beginning, yes. September 29, 2016. The day that the group was formed and was named.
PAWS is not about attacking people for buying Crates, or using the stuff they get in the Crates. It is about raising and maintaining awareness that these Crates are not welcomed by everyone, without violating the ToS, CoC. or any other TLA. No petitions or demands upon ZOS or Bethesda. No threatening players who buy them, or use the items that they get from them.
Thanks for the mission statement, just a suggestion...you may want to have a PAWS meeting or something to reinforce that, because several people carrying that sig on the forums disagrees with you, better yet maybe the coordinators of PAWS should contact Gina, I'm sure they can go over what is actually going on and maybe improve some of the toxicity that's happening on the GF.Edited by Balamoor on March 5, 2017 6:02PM1 -
Mattock_Romulus✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Ok, here's some "ADVICE" Spend your money the way you want because it's YOUR MONEY.
Thats not very good advice, even if I have money I shouldnt spend it om drugs and prostitues just cause its my money, yes I'm free to do what I want, but if it harms me and the society then I should consider people's advice on not doing them
What in the world are you talking about. We are playing eso not buying prostitutes and drugs. And you consider others advice when it is asked for. I don't recall asking anyone here to be my financial advisor. I most definitely would not consider the advice of a random person on the internet who could very well be a teenager.
Not sure where prostitutes and drugs came in at, that's pretty far out there considering the subject at hand.
Drug, sex and gambling addiction are variations on the same theme. I've worked professionally with drug addicts and their primary retort is it's their money, they can spend it how they want.
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭notimetocare wrote: »PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Welcome to the future of Gaming where everything is locked behind a pay gate.
Welcome to the future of gaming, where players cry about having to buy games at full price and pay subscription fees that force companies to have cash shops
Welcome to the future of gaming where producing videogames cost 5-10 times what they cost ten to fifteen years ago, yet players demand price per game ($60) and subscription fee ($15/month) remain at a rate it was ten to fifteen years ago. Then they're shocked that a company isn't making money, and outraged when they pursue other means at bringing in capital.Edited by AlMcFly on March 5, 2017 6:10PM3 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭More pages, more posts of people arguing with each other rather than agreeing on who the real enemy is.
This is why every single PvP thread becomes worthless, the community would rather argue and blame each other than focus on the people making the choices and messing with the community.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Welcome to the future of gaming where producing videogames cost 5-10 times what they cost ten to fifteen years ago, yet players demand price per game ($60) and subscription fee ($15/month) remain at a rate it was ten to fifteen years ago.
The pertinent question is why does it cost so much more now?
Technology is getting cheaper, not more expensive - this should drive costs down.
Better technology means that man-hour productivity has increased, not decreased - this should drive costs down.
As more units are sold the margin PPU can be less while maintaining healthy ROIC - this should also drive costs down.
So where are these extra overheads coming from?
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esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Welcome to the future of gaming where producing videogames cost 5-10 times what they cost ten to fifteen years ago, yet players demand price per game ($60) and subscription fee ($15/month) remain at a rate it was ten to fifteen years ago. Then they're shocked that a company isn't making money, and outraged when they pursue other means at bringing in capital.
Any evidence that ZOS isn't making money with ESO? All recent publicity (over the past year) would suggest they are happy with the health of the game.
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Mitoice✭✭✭✭✭I would support these crown crates if they included the ability to connect to ESO. Right now I cant connect to the game for 24 hours, no communication whatsoever and support crown crates????? Screw ****0
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Iskrasfemme✭✭✭✭Why not? if u support the game, why not the part of this game? And, please, ZOS is a company, need money to pay workers.
Strange this topic.1
