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Nightblade ridiculous damage from stealth needs to be removed
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So we should stop a class designed around a stealth mechanic from using stealth?
OK, as long as Templars get banned from using flashy light spears, DKs get banned from using fire, and Sorcerers get banned from using pets, and lightning.
Then we can all play in a happy-clappy world where no one ever has to think about how to play.
PS: I don't have an NB, and have no intention of having one, but this whole thread is pure comedy gold.
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.
Crouch, cloak, charge a heavy attack, surprise attack, maybe proc set, dead, now tell me where is the skill in this.
How is the other player supposed to react if you don;t see him, the only way to avoid a gank is if you saw the dude before he went into stealth, that's it, you can't counter something if you can't even see it coming.
Let me get this straight. You are running around willy nilly, and someone smoked you for being careless? That's exactly how NB's should play their class.
I sit back and choose my targets carefully. Usually low CP/low Alliance rank guys on horses. Quick kills, in and out before the AD/DC zerg ball runs through.
It's a war zone. If you aren't stealthed yourself, you're going to have a bad time.
This is the definition of cancerous build.0 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.
Crouch, cloak, charge a heavy attack, surprise attack, maybe proc set, dead, now tell me where is the skill in this.
How is the other player supposed to react if you don;t see him, the only way to avoid a gank is if you saw the dude before he went into stealth, that's it, you can't counter something if you can't even see it coming.
Let me get this straight. You are running around willy nilly, and someone smoked you for being careless? That's exactly how NB's should play their class.
I sit back and choose my targets carefully. Usually low CP/low Alliance rank guys on horses. Quick kills, in and out before the AD/DC zerg ball runs through.
It's a war zone. If you aren't stealthed yourself, you're going to have a bad time.
This is the definition of cancerous build.
My build was not mentioned at all. This is called playing your class to its advantages.
I don't think a NORD Stamina Nightblade is anywhere near the current Meta, but nice try.
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »SupremeTravie wrote: »NB is mostly an offensive class. They have less survivalbility than rest of the classes. Most cases when an NB is caught out of stealth they die rather quickly.I'm assuming you just cannot catch them and they put the jukes on you.Plus it's a class based around stealth. You want to take that away from a key role of the class. What sense does that make? There are many counters to gankers. Plenty of forums to read about it. I suggest read up man.
Ah the other often-paraded bit of nonsense in these threads, that somehow nightblade is a disadvantaged class that lacks defense, and so it must be able to disappear because fighting someone who can actually target you is too difficult for such a weak class. Give me a break.
Ganking is toxic. It leads to everyone rolling tanks because they are sick of being one-shout out of the blue from a stamblade. It also promotes zerging because people who don't want to be tanks are moving in packs because it makes them less of a target. It promotes people to mindlessly counter-siege from a keep wall instead of coming out for real fight. There is nothing good at all positive about full-timer gankers with gank builds. They do not contribute anything to the gameplay value, and they are mostly just a nuisance and source for harassment to people who are actually trying to pvp.
I think so many people cry about nightblade having no survivability -- except for cloak -- because they don't want to run a build made for survivability. They want their high burst ganking build, and they want it to be even more survivable than a well-rounded or even a tank build. They actually want to be able to do massive burst and then completely disengage and get away without anyone being able to fight them back. There is nothing competitive about that kind of gameplay, and there is certainly no sportsmanship involved.
I have to disagree.
Sorc has streak and dark deal - which is over the top OP, and hurricane/boundless storm that buffs resistance, good AOE
DK has igneous shield (which gives back stam and provides a damage shield), a buff to resistance, and Major Mending.
Templar can cleanse, have a buff to resistance, and Major Mending.
Nightblade has .... umm, ummm, ummm Mirage. That's it. Mirage. There's just no way to build towards survivability for a nightblade, unless you run Troll King. But Troll King itself is cancerous.
Oh, and rolling tanks has nothing to do with "sick of being one-shout out of the blue from a stamblade".
People will still zerg no matter what. It has nothing to do with ganking.
People counter-siege from keep wall because if they go down they will get zerged, it has nothing to do with stamblades.
Nothing sportmanship in PvP openworld. Is zerging sportmanship? Nah. People still do it.
There are certain combinations of setups that make ganking toxic. Ganking itself is fine. There are counterplays to ganking if the setup is not toxic: block or dodge their Incap, use your situational awareness (explained above).
There is plenty of sportsmanship from respectable players. There are also a lot of trolls. Ganking promotes zerging and tank builds. When you are weaker, you are more likely to run in a zerg, because it's just not fun to get rolled over either by an enemy zerg or by gankers. Trueflame on PC-NA during no cp week has been massive, massive zergs, much more than normal primetime zerging. But the worst part is that siege is wrecking everyone. There is not much even a coordinated, balanced raid of good players can do when they are being hammered with siege. You can't even run along a keep wall without having multiple siege hitting you from every angle. The sustain to heal and purge through the insane amount of siege is just not there for a group with a sufficient damage to spike to wipe an opposing force.
The no cp meta is sheer numbers and tons of siege right now. Even open field siege is happening like I can't ever remember seeing outside of bwb. Most people have had to give up defense for sustain, except gankers can still be full burst then dip out. So people are much more susceptible to ganking in no-cp, which is a factor in the zerging. Even people that you don't usually see rolling with the zergs are surfing right now. It's a great time to be a stamblade ganker, and and a bad time to be basically any magicka build because of needing to go full sustain.
Mirage is not all nightblade has. They also have amazing passives like shadow barrier which is free major resist buffs, they have ult gen from pots, they have 15% increased recovery, they have max health bonus, they have increased crits and weapon/spell damage for bigger self-heal ticks, they have two of the most powerful defensive ults in the game: soul siphon and shadow barrier. Dark cloak gives minor protection. Mass Hysteria and shade inflict minor maim. Plus all of you have vigor/rally or healing ward/dampen magicka. Everything you are talking about from other classes can be substituted with weapon/armor abilities. There is nothing else even remotely like cloak.
I know about incap, at least 75% of my deaths (no lie) are from incap burst combos. You can't block/dodge incap out of stealth, or if you're stunned and breaking free from crouch heavy attack or fear. Besides that, magicka builds can't really block or dodge without risking getting cc-locked. And magicka builds are the squishy lower health, light armor targets gankers like to pick, because without their shields (which last only 6s now) or some other defenses up, they are just free kills. People don't try to gank tanks or a zergball, which is the primary reason why there are so many tanks right now.
The extremely high levels of toxic ganking is the root problem of everything wrong with cyrodiil right now. Even the nasty destro ult bomb squads and scarcity of small scale pvp is because of ganking. The good players who don't want to be ganked aren't mindlessly zerging, they roll in coordinated groups. Those groups have to ult bomb specifically with desto ult because it's the only way to burst down the tanks without resorting to being coordinated field siege squads, which is borderline goofy. The tanks are so abundant because it's a counter to the ganking. Ironically, the only people who can get away with being squishy right now are nightblades, because they have cloak. The ganking is the root problem. If you reign in the effectiveness of gank builds (not nightblades in general, just specifically gank builds), Cyrodiil will become a much more diverse and less cancerous place.
Good luck finding sportsmanship in open world PvP where everyone will zerg you. Ganking doesn't promote zerging, people will zerg no matter what. Some people even start ganking because they get zerged down too much, and you cannot zerg what you cannot see. People wear heavy armor because they can take more damage, and people will continue to do so even when there's no ganking, if nothing else changes. If you wear heavy armor and don't know how to counterplay a ganker, you are dead anyway, it doesn't make a difference. Oh so you are a member of a raid group. I say coordinated raid group is more toxic and cancerous than gankers. At least you can counterplay a ganker, there's no way to counterplay a raid group, you see a raid group you go elsewhere. What do you do to kill people? Stack destro ult + bombing + sap essence + spin to win with 1 or 2 healbots in Troll King behind. Yes you have to do it because of zergs, but more than often you will also kill anyone in your path even when they are outnumbered, so yeah it's pretty hypocritical.
I don't see double AP has anything to do with ganking. New players don't know what to do so they join uncoordinated zerg groups.
Don't all classes have access to major resistance buffs + vigor and rally? (Don't forget that you were talking about stamblade and how they can survive without cloak). Do they have major mending? Nah. That's the biggest reason why nbs cannot survive as well as other classes without cloak. Do they have streak and dark deal? Nah. Do they have a cheap cleanse? Nah. Do they have a small damage shield that negates crit and gives back stam? Nah. They have shadow image, but it just helps you get away when people chase you, it pretty much promotes ganking playstyle. So, if you can build a stamblade towards survivability without using cloak, go ahead, i am all ears.
No NB ever Incap out of stealth. 0. They HA+surprise attack first, then Incap. The sneak surprise attack only works if the victim is afking or is inexperienced and stands still. If you don't stand still, it's so hard to sneak attack out of stealth and the NB is forced to do Ambush or HA+Poison Injection to initiate. You can block Incap that way, unless the NB is good and he knows how to fear+animation cancel right before the incap, in that case he is good and he deserves the kill.
The problem of ganking is that there are certain toxic combinations, example Clever Alchemist + Spriggan/Viper. In that case, you will have to use your situational awareness. If Ash is UA and you are going from nikel to ash, there's a 80% chance that there are gankers between Ash and Nikel. Slot Radiant Mageslight before riding to Ash. Even gankers with toxic setups cannot gank you now. You see, no one can be patient enough to wait for like an hour in the middle of nowhere, gankers only wait at locations that many people pass through.
Good players always know how to deal with gankers so i guess there goes your argument. And again, zerging is the root of all problems in cyrodiil, not ganking. People will zerg, and will wear heavy armor (if the meta doesn't change), it doesn't matter if ganking is removed or not.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!4 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP clearly didn't play NB...
Seeing how NB rely mostly on stealth to survive and there are so many skill out there that counter / put you out of stealth...
Other classes don't have this problem...
NB had lots of nerfs in the past. I would even say that it was the most nerfed class in eso... and some people even say that it is the weakest class in eso...
And people want still to nerf NB even more lol...
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »OP clearly didn't play NB...
Seeing how NB rely mostly on stealth to survive and there are so many skill out there that counter / put you out of stealth...
Other classes don't have this problem...
NB had lots of nerfs in the past. I would even say that it was the most nerfed class in eso... and some people even say that it is the weakest class in eso...
And people want still to nerf NB even more lol...
Nightblade damage needs a buff, but crouch 250 % amplification needs to go1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that1 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.3 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭Umm, big stealth damage is sort of the point of the nightblade... it's a play style. Lots of damage but low survivability ( most of the time)Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.8 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No onslaught ganking is fun but that's all you can do with that build.
But let's just ask zos to remove all skills and weapons from the game and just fight barefist. Or disable open combat and make it so we can only duel and ask permission to fight other players.
Guessing by this logic we should ask all armed forces world wide to go back to the days of lining up in front of each other and counting down before firing. No sniping or airstrikes etc.PC Master Race
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
And being templar with 60k+ HP in broken cancer sets while pressing 2 buttons is skillful.5 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
And being templar with 60k+ HP in broken cancer sets while pressing 2 buttons is skillful.
No it's not, but there is a big difference, To counter a sun shield templar you simply have to not attack him, with that amount of health he will never be able to do some real damage unless you keep attacking him. while a ganker who sneaks up your arse, and you didn't see him before is not counterable. if you see him it is, but if not, then it's heavy attack, surprise attack and proc set and it's gn. 20 k heavy attack thanks to a broken mechanic.1 -
Hurika✭✭✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
So you know how to counter it and you're just too lazy do what many others have already done. Too lazy and what ZoS to do it for you so you don't have to change YOUR playstyle. Sounds like you want it handed to you. What happens when you don't like the next playstyle that you're too lazy to counter? Do you start another thread crying to have it nerfed because you can't be bothered and are too lazy to do it yourself?
You got so many L2P because that actually IS the solution. You just won't remove you blinders or do a little work yourself. ZOS FIX IT FOR ME!!!7 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
And being templar with 60k+ HP in broken cancer sets while pressing 2 buttons is skillful.
No it's not, but there is a big difference, To counter a sun shield templar you simply have to not attack him, with that amount of health he will never be able to do some real damage unless you keep attacking him. while a ganker who sneaks up your arse, and you didn't see him before is not counterable. if you see him it is, but if not, then it's heavy attack, surprise attack and proc set and it's gn. 20 k heavy attack thanks to a broken mechanic.
Templar will have one nasty op soul assault. People forget that it scales with health too. Wait until the gankers start running 80k health, max cp in mighty and use 2h ulti. Game over.PC Master Race
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
So you know how to counter it and you're just too lazy do what many others have already done. Too lazy and what ZoS to do it for you so you don't have to change YOUR playstyle. Sounds like you want it handed to you. What happens when you don't like the next playstyle that you're too lazy to counter? Do you start another thread crying to have it nerfed because you can't be bothered and are too lazy to do it yourself?
You got so many L2P because that actually IS the solution. You just won't remove you blinders or do a little work yourself. ZOS FIX IT FOR ME!!!
No, i want it gone because i truly think it's cancerous to the game, i would be all right with it if the amplification wasn't that big, but 250 % is crazy.2 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OP finds NB sneak as cancer, while destro ulti, radiant destruction, soul assault are all balanced.
Case closed.6 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP finds NB sneak as cancer, while destro ulti, radiant destruction, soul assault are all balanced.
Case closed.
I actually think that desto and radiant are op in some way, so don't put words in my mouth.
desto needs to be blockable, and maybe reduce the range a bit, radiant range is too big, infact the last patch nerf didn't make a difference, they should have instead nerfed the range instead of the damage. Don't really use soul assult, so i don't know, but i haven't seen a single top end player using it.Edited by JinMori on March 5, 2017 3:01PM1 -
Chilla_Deluxe✭✭✭Massive L2P issue. There are legit tons of ways to counter nightblades. Try to gang a good player from stealth you'd fail horribly.Edited by Chilla_Deluxe on March 5, 2017 3:11PM__________________________
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭I say remove stealth mechanic for all classes entirely from the game. NB should be the only one able to stealth without a potion. It is much to powerful of a game mechanic for every class to have access to without class specific abilities or a CD like potions.Edited by Lokey0024 on March 5, 2017 3:37PM2 -
Hurika✭✭✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
So you know how to counter it and you're just too lazy do what many others have already done. Too lazy and what ZoS to do it for you so you don't have to change YOUR playstyle. Sounds like you want it handed to you. What happens when you don't like the next playstyle that you're too lazy to counter? Do you start another thread crying to have it nerfed because you can't be bothered and are too lazy to do it yourself?
You got so many L2P because that actually IS the solution. You just won't remove you blinders or do a little work yourself. ZOS FIX IT FOR ME!!!
No, i want it gone because i truly think it's cancerous to the game, i would be all right with it if the amplification wasn't that big, but 250 % is crazy.
First stop using the reference to cancer unless you've experienced it first hand. You disrespect anyone that has. This is a game.
Second, this has a cure - actually many. You're just too lazy to use any of them and want it done for you. Explain WHY you can't counter it using any of the viable counters mentioned? You've made ZERO case as to why you can't fix it yourself and ZoS should "do the work for you."
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✭I tell you what I have the perfect solution. Let's just remove sneaking from pvp entirely. And let's give that bonus damage that you get from being completly hidden to the stealthed status. Increased 20% damage from being in stealth. Add the guaranteed crit from the shadowh disguise morph. So that way you don't have to worry about hidden nightblades and players hiding in keeps. And us nightblades get a major damage buff when we proc our cloak. And that way no other classes can sneak make it a nighblade exclusive ability in pvp. If you hate us now you will *** a brick when you see us then.5 -
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✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Ganking is fine. The problem is, there are certain combinations that make ganking toxic. Example, Clever Alchemist + Spriggan. There are counterplays against NBs running something non-toxic setups like Night Silence + Spriggan, even when you refuse to slot radiant mageslight.
Don't nerf Spriggan unless you are nerfing heavy armor (or buffing light and medium) at the same time. It's currently a bit too easy to get close to resistance cap and still have excellent sustain and high damage output.
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✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
L2P
Predictable. I got so many of these ltp posts but do you actually know how to play? might wanna think on that
You state you have multiple NBs. You can have 12 NBs cp 600 for all that I care, your QQing is L2P issue and nothing more.
Well, the fact is that i already know how to counter ganking, use detect potions, run radiant magelight, use heavy armor, maybe even full impen, i just think that a 250 % damage amplification is garbage, and it adds nothing good to the game, while promoting unskillful playstyles and cancerous builds, that's why i wanna see it gone, and you can keep telling me ltp, git gut, but you will never change my mind on this matter, unless you provide me evidence that this amplification adds anything good to the game, You could still play the ganking playstyle even if this buff was removed or toned down, you would simply not be able to one shot people with a single heavy attack anymore.
So you know how to counter it and you're just too lazy do what many others have already done. Too lazy and what ZoS to do it for you so you don't have to change YOUR playstyle. Sounds like you want it handed to you. What happens when you don't like the next playstyle that you're too lazy to counter? Do you start another thread crying to have it nerfed because you can't be bothered and are too lazy to do it yourself?
You got so many L2P because that actually IS the solution. You just won't remove you blinders or do a little work yourself. ZOS FIX IT FOR ME!!!
No, i want it gone because i truly think it's cancerous to the game, i would be all right with it if the amplification wasn't that big, but 250 % is crazy.
First stop using the reference to cancer unless you've experienced it first hand. You disrespect anyone that has. This is a game.
Second, this has a cure - actually many. You're just too lazy to use any of them and want it done for you. Explain WHY you can't counter it using any of the viable counters mentioned? You've made ZERO case as to why you can't fix it yourself and ZoS should "do the work for you."
Dude i can use whatever words i want and you don't have a say in it. If you get offended by such words it's not my problem.
Read my posts, i said many times why i think this mechanic is stupid.
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✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »Ganking is fine. The problem is, there are certain combinations that make ganking toxic. Example, Clever Alchemist + Spriggan. There are counterplays against NBs running something non-toxic setups like Night Silence + Spriggan, even when you refuse to slot radiant mageslight.
Don't nerf Spriggan unless you are nerfing heavy armor (or buffing light and medium) at the same time. It's currently a bit too easy to get close to resistance cap and still have excellent sustain and high damage output.
Too many times I saw in pvp "tanks" (yes, TANKS) doing more dmg than everyone else. I know it is bigger and in larger "scale" PvP than lets say in some moba games - and it is much more difficult to balance, but we should just keep this simple rule here: if you go tank, then you should not be able to deal tons of dmg. It is a trade-off: DMG for more defence...Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on March 5, 2017 4:06PM4 -
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✭What really is the ZOS they killed everyone 3 times this weekend and they stayed dead for many hours ! True story !!PVP DEADWAIT
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EldritchPenguin✭✭✭✭✭If Nightblades shouldn't gank, then what should they do? That's kinda the class's thing at the moment, especially on the Stamina side. Take that away, and you're left with pretty much nothing but Eternal Hunt builds, which I think is the kind of thing we need to see more often, but not at the expense of making it the only viable build path for Stamblades. As for Magblades, if they can't gank and/or zergbomb, then they're kinda left in the dust as an inferior version of the Sorcerer.
As much as I agree that gankers shouldn't be able to instantly kill everyone, I also think that gutting the primary function of the class in PvP is a really bad move.
I also disagree about where the problem lies. It's not in the Nightblade passives, it's in the Champion system. The Champion system gives them 25% bonus damage straight-up, an extra heap of crit damage, good resistances and resource sustain so they can survive open fights, and a ton more base stats across the board. This gives them preposterous burst damage, while also giving them everything else they need to make their playstyle extremely forgiving; if their ridiculous burst doesn't instagib everything on the business end of their attacks, then they still have the resource sustain and the resistances to either engage their target openly or effortlessly escape to try again later.
The solution for ridiculous builds isn't removing their ability to specialize in their role, it's dealing with the Champion system that's allowing them to remove most of the drawbacks of specializing.Edited by EldritchPenguin on March 5, 2017 4:32PMLilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Vaynothah Sailenar - Dark Elf Templar
Sherivah Telvanni - Dark Elf Sorcerer
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭EldritchPenguin wrote: »If Nightblades shouldn't gank, then what should they do? That's kinda the class's thing at the moment, especially on the Stamina side. Take that away, and you're left with pretty much nothing but Eternal Hunt builds, which I think is the kind of thing we need to see more often, but not at the expense of making it the only viable build path for Stamblades. As for Magblades, if they can't gank and/or zergbomb, then they're kinda left in the dust as an inferior version of the Sorcerer.
As much as I agree that gankers shouldn't be able to instantly kill everyone, I also think that gutting the primary function of the class in PvP is a really bad move.
I also disagree about where the problem lies. It's not in the Nightblade passives, it's in the Champion system. The Champion system gives them 25% bonus damage straight-up, an extra heap of crit damage, good resistances and resource sustain so they can survive open fights, and a ton more base stats across the board. This gives them preposterous burst damage, while also giving them everything else they need to make their playstyle extremely forgiving; if their ridiculous burst doesn't instagib everything on the business end of their attacks, then they still have the resource sustain and the resistances to either engage their target openly or effortlessly escape to try again later.
The solution for ridiculous builds isn't removing their ability to specialize in their role, it's dealing with the Champion system that's allowing them to remove most of the drawbacks of specializing.
But i never mentioned the nb passive, i think that's ok, the problem is the 250% crouch damage bonus.0 -
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But i never mentioned the nb passive, i think that's ok, the problem is the 250% crouch damage bonus.
Never heard of this 250% crouch damage bonus. How do I get one?4
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