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Nightblade ridiculous damage from stealth needs to be removed
JinMori
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I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
Edit: i think that some may have misunderstood which buff i'm talking about i apologize for that.
The buff that i'm talking about is not the passive from the assassination skilline Master assassin, i think that's perfectly fine, the buff that i'm talking about is the 250 % damage bonus that you get from crouch.
Edited by JinMori on March 5, 2017 5:21PM I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
Edit: i think that some may have misunderstood which buff i'm talking about i apologize for that.
The buff that i'm talking about is not the passive from the assassination skilline Master assassin, i think that's perfectly fine, the buff that i'm talking about is the 250 % damage bonus that you get from crouch.
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Iskrasfemme✭✭✭✭I will still try to understand what many in the US have against people who - unfortunately - suffer from cancer!
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Delegator✭✭✭What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong. -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stamblades are terrible at everything else.
I take it you are not a ganking NB then. The thing about ganking is that there is a lot of work and skill being employed that you never see. You just die out of nowhere.
Buff, buff, magelight, potion, cloak, bar swap, run at enemy, onslaught. And then you have to get that perfectly and you are still likely to die after you pull it off to an ally of the person you probably killed but maybe not.
If you were to nerf anything.. it would be magelight and the guild passive that enables it.Edited by Narvuntien on March 5, 2017 3:05AM -
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✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
Gan king is part of the game get over it. It is what nb excel at. Been part over every tes game.
I dont only gankers and have played a nb since beta. I know the ins and outs etc etc and how to lay every possible way with one. So don't feed me your nonsense forum argument about how I am a nb and have no skill and can only gankers ec. Means nothing.
There are counters to being ganked. Plus. A true solo ganker is rough sledding especially since ball groups took over pvp. Being able to get in and out of groupssystematically taking down 3 or 4 people while trying to remain in a constant state of motion and needing to counter people who counter you. Of course I am not just talking about sitting on the edge of a zerg picking of low health targets or gawking one person with 12.
There is plenty you can do to avoid gankers. You failure to utilize such options is on you. You seem to imply your. Skillful player, so I'm sure you can figure it out. -
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✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Stamblades are terrible at everything else.
I take it you are not a ganking NB then. The thing about ganking is that there is a lot of work and skill being employed that you never see. You just die out of nowhere.
Buff, buff, magelight, potion, cloak, bar swap, run at enemy, onslaught. And then you have to get that perfectly and you are still likely to die after you pull it off to an ally.
If you were to nerf anything.. it would be magelight and the guild passive that enables it.
well said.
if you remove our invisibility, and our damage from stealth. then we are useless in pvp.
i think that is what he wants.best in slot: is the armor, weapon, clothing look, pet, or no pet, jewelry, race, class, skill choices, amount of DPS, and skin color best fit to you and the way you wish to play and makes you feel good and performs what YOU think it should be.
worst in slot: what you read in zone chat, and forum comment, and forum thread, and you tube video, and live streamer advice, and class rep advice, and guild chat advice, and whisper told you to wear, and use for skill, and dress like, and use for weapon and armor. -
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- Use Tactics and learn and take steps to counter a play style
- Have ZoS do it for you cause you're too lazy
Most requests for nerfs in general are the 2nd. This is no different than nerf shields, nerf heavy armor, nerf poisons.... Ends up being "I don't want to do anything for myself so nerf it". -
klink012✭✭✭I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.
If animations worked properly and there wasn't ani cancelling stealth attacks wouldn't be bad at all.
The REAL issue is stringing 3 attacks that all it at ONCE, from stealth. ALL receiving the stealth bonus. If that would get fixed the 15k+ dmg in .1 second wouldn't be a thing.
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ZombieZig✭✭✭This post offends me.
Point to the doll where the mNB hurt you? Pick on Stam instead please.... those proc builds with stam are evil. Every class has an OP aspect that when mastered. Its up to you to learn to defend yourself. This no CP week however has been extra rough for everyone, but leave mNBs out of your lil rage. -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.
Crouch, cloak, charge a heavy attack, surprise attack, maybe proc set, dead, now tell me where is the skill in this.
How is the other player supposed to react if you don;t see him, the only way to avoid a gank is if you saw the dude before he went into stealth, that's it, you can't counter something if you can't even see it coming. -
Greevir✭✭✭✭What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.
Crouch, cloak, charge a heavy attack, surprise attack, maybe proc set, dead, now tell me where is the skill in this.
How is the other player supposed to react if you don;t see him, the only way to avoid a gank is if you saw the dude before he went into stealth, that's it, you can't counter something if you can't even see it coming.
The skill is surviving the buddies of the guy you just killed. Oh, you were running around by yourself? That's your problem then.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates! -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.
Crouch, cloak, charge a heavy attack, surprise attack, maybe proc set, dead, now tell me where is the skill in this.
How is the other player supposed to react if you don;t see him, the only way to avoid a gank is if you saw the dude before he went into stealth, that's it, you can't counter something if you can't even see it coming.
The skill is surviving the buddies of the guy you just killed. Oh, you were running around by yourself? That's your problem then.
I don't think that most gankers have the guts to attack an entire group, they usually just pick a random guy when no one else is around. If you manage to take down a group by ganking you have my respect, because that actually takes skills, but killing a single guy with the insane burst you get from crouch? no -
ZombieZig✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/326205/grim-focus-sucks#latest
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silky_soft✭✭✭✭✭wear radiant magelight. L2P
How are people supposed to react when you cant see them... Hmm stealth class doing stealth things... Hmm...
You can't counter perma blocking without fear or fossilize. You can crit shields, they can also stack and go higher then your HP. You can't counter dodge spam without channels.
You can't counter stealth without 50% reduction from radiant magelight, magelight, evil hunter, pots, player aoe, ground aoe, seige aoe, non target skills, poisons, mark, being withing range of sneak player, being with in 1km of Cryodill NPCs. Some of these even prevent your from returning to stealth. No other mechanic in the game has a mechanic is cannot be cleansed that prevents it being used.Haha block, ha rip.
Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team. -
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✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/326205/grim-focus-sucks#latest
Verified.
OP cant play one.
Why because i said that an ability that requires 2 global cooldown to be effective sucks? because it provides a buff which should already be in a group? what a pathetic way to try to shut down a conversation.
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ZombieZig✭✭✭Use a detect pot.
Use a detect pot with Mage light (stacks)
Do this while leaving Nickel and travel to ROE via the large field. You will see every ganker for miles. You have the upper edge now bc they DONT KNOW you can see them. #profit.
Your argument is about you and a l2play issue. hate me sure. But cmon man. Every class has an OP aspect. -
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✭✭✭✭✭This weekend has been my first attempt at my NB and I have tried running with a group and ganking. Blobbing up is still easier even though my Stamblade is not very good in that situation. I am missing passives yet with the fresh 50.
Most of the fun is not finding some random traveler, isolated from anything really going on. I find it more fun to watch flanks and attack flanks. That guy in the back of a zerg is there for a reason, and I can thin it out better with a "gank" than trying to join the other side and get in the numbers game. I risk more because if I die; chances are I am isolated while the guy in the back of the zerg often gets a rez if they turn and zerg me down.
I actually have that much more respect for some gankers that I have seen, nearly instantly kill a target, stealth out then gank a buddy of the original target just the same. Try it and you will see it. -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.
Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.
Wow, the "just slot Radiant Magelight" forum warrior tripe being brought out in only the third post. I guess if this guy didn't know how to git gud, he's certainly been put on the right path now. Keep pretending radiant is a serious counter and not laughably ineffective. I know, you're going to tell me about damage reduction, and about how it prevents a stun. Go ahead hero, we clearly just don't understand how it works. -
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✭NB is designed to gank.
3: Magelight.
4: Detect pot.
The real issue is clever alchemist. NB's ganking is fine, the class is designed to be gankers.Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 5, 2017 3:32AMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen! -
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✭✭Nightblades don't have some crazy powerful buff that allows them to do extra damage from stealth, just the Master Assassin passive which increases spell & weapon damage by 10%. And if they choose shadowy disguise morph of cloak, that makes the next attack guaranteed crit.
High crit chance, high crit damage, high spell/weapon damage, sneaking around and attacking from stealth are all available to every class with perhaps 10% lower spell/weapon damage which can be made up in other ways in different classes.
If you are getting ganked in PVP a lot, as others suggested slotting radiant magelight immediately cuts the damage by 50% and prevents the stun. Then sacrificing your own damage output by using impen armor greatly reduces the damage from crits. -
rimmidimdim✭✭✭All classes can stealth damage bonus. All. However the real problem is the NB mechanics. I'm a NB. Have always been. Make cloak only castable in combat and remove the sneak speed for vamps. That will make it way harder to sneak damage. It will take skill, awareness, guessing, and CNT have a huge damage set to move fast in sneak, have to use night silence or something. My thoughts. Cheers. -
Iskrasfemme✭✭✭✭One of the best player - for me - in TF (PvP campaign) is NB. I see this guy fight against MANY AD (he is EP), all full geared, 600. And yes, he kill all and back to stealth.
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