Nightblade ridiculous damage from stealth needs to be removed
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
DPS is minimally important in PVP.9 -
Sneaky-Snurr✭✭✭✭✭Everyone is assuming that i'm a bad player because i don't like this skill, but there are a lot of good players who don't like it, some who are much better then me, you, or anyone that you know, the fact is that you are trying to shut me down by saying that i suck, but i won't fall for that, i stand for what i believe, and i believe that this damage buff is atrocious. I won't take back a single word i said.
@JinMori
But the good players get to kill the ganker instead. Idk about you tho... you probably don't get to kill them hence you think the dmg buff is 'atrocious'.. speaks volume you know..The Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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✭Ganking is fine. The problem is, there are certain combinations that make ganking toxic. Example, Clever Alchemist + Spriggan. There are counterplays against NBs running something non-toxic setups like Night Silence + Spriggan, even when you refuse to slot radiant mageslight.
These kind of toxic combinations need to be nerfed, ganking with bonus from stealth as a mechanic is fine.Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 5, 2017 4:07AMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!3 -
d0e1ow✭✭✭✭Ayyy, even ESO has "nerf rogues" thread. Stay mad. I'm collecting tears in my rogue cup."Her mystery was as essential to her as savagery was to Boethiah or treachery was to Molag Bal. To understand Nocturnal is to negate her, to pull back the curtains cloaking her realm of darkness." - Sigillah Parate "Invocation of Azura"1 -
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✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »Everyone is assuming that i'm a bad player because i don't like this skill, but there are a lot of good players who don't like it, some who are much better then me, you, or anyone that you know, the fact is that you are trying to shut me down by saying that i suck, but i won't fall for that, i stand for what i believe, and i believe that this damage buff is atrocious. I won't take back a single word i said.
@JinMori
But the good players get to kill the ganker instead. Idk about you tho... you probably don't get to kill them hence you think the dmg buff is 'atrocious'.. speaks volume you know..
No, i think it's atrocious because it's a bad mechanic, yea i got killed a couple of times by it, but i also managed to kill some gankers.1 -
ZombieZig✭✭✭Oh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
Assuming me havent earneOh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
DPS is minimally important in PVP.
40k+ dps, your right that is good! You should stick with the PvE then!6 -
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✭✭Oh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
Memorizing a rotaion on a non-moving target has nothing to do with pvp.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm pretty sure the rogue/assassin character archetype, throughout the entirety of rpg history, has been stealth based. They're doing exactly what they were made to do: catch you with your pants down. Looks like a case of nerd rage to me.PS4 / NA
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✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »As another long time plaster of this game once said:
"Having access to a spamable invisibility button is either purposely underrated out of bias or ignorance"
It renders every single target skill in the game useless...let that sink in ...over 70% of the games skills are useless against it.
I'm leveling a Nightblade right now, just finishing up his Undaunted, because why not? As bad as folks thought Sorc Streak was/is, the Sorc never:
1. Dissappers
2. Becomes untargetable
You combine shadow image with cloak and blur and you can just be a ninja ripping people. You have 100% control on who, when,where, and how you fight. You always land the first hit,you start every fight on the offensive in your favor, you get a bonus and a stun, your spanable stuns and off balanced targets, and you get Major Ward and Resolve for using it.
In terms of balance, you really shouldn't be able to go invis or stealth again after opening on someone, but it's doubtful
ZOS ever changes it
I'm ok with ganking, but ZOS has given gankers too much of an advantage, that I think needs to be toned down some. Furthermore two handed weapons in TES have never gotten a stealth bonus, and Zos should really remove the two handed stealth bonus in ESO it makes no sense...only daggers and one handed weapons should get it, bows should get half of what daggers and one handed gets without the stun
Let me see: cloak + shadow image + blur... and how do you do dmg? Maybe if you have everything in different bars can work, and that implies to learn a rotation, and if you mastered it, then you deserve the reward
Anyway, I suppose you are leveling a mageblade, coz a stamblade has no magicka to use those skills at once.
On the other hand, 12% extra weapon and spell dmg just for slotting your class skills... that's underpowered, right? (Not to mention the 5% extra phys and shock dmg)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »Oh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
Memorizing a rotaion on a non-moving target has nothing to do with pvp.
All cred has been shot!
There is some kind of rotation even in pvp, you make it sound like it so easy to do high dps, i'll tell you what it's not. usually if someone can do high dps, then he's also a good pvper, not talking about me specifically, but if you wanna see an example look at alcast, he's very good in pve, and very good in pvp.1 -
Whoopen✭✭I hate getting ganked in PVP by a nightblade. The other night i was killed like 10 time in a hour by them. Did I cry, No. Did I start a post to have their skills reduced, no. Did I slaughter a goat and pray tot he ESO gods to strike down their abilities, no. What i did was say, Well *** I am dead again little *** I should have stayed with the group. Because 9 time out of 10 I only am ganked when alone. If you PVP enough you know that being alone is a death wish cause there are gankers and gank squads just looking for you. You take that risk if your going to play PVP its just a known. Sure there are many ways and abilities to avoid or reduce the attacks but most of the time your just dead and you have to suck it up. I was on my healer and healing thru it sometimes just does not work but if your with a group you can survive. Get some friends and stop running alone and stop calling for a class to be nerfed there is enough of that going on and if it keeps happening no one will play then you can post about being the only one in PVP or the game. Your going to die eventually just accept it it happens move on.6 -
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✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Stamblades are terrible at everything else.
I take it you are not a ganking NB then. The thing about ganking is that there is a lot of work and skill being employed that you never see. You just die out of nowhere.
Buff, buff, magelight, potion, cloak, bar swap, run at enemy, onslaught. And then you have to get that perfectly and you are still likely to die after you pull it off to an ally of the person you probably killed but maybe not.
If you were to nerf anything.. it would be magelight and the guild passive that enables it.
maybe magelight needs a buff, they nerfed it already. a stealthed enemy exposed by magelight is feared for the usual duration.
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✭✭Anyway, i'm not denying that cloak has problems, like every single thing put's you out of cloak, the problem here is when the other don;t see you because you are behind him, you crouch, cloak and heavy attack, that's what i don't like.0 -
Kahl_dur✭✭✭I used to complain about Nightblades too... until I became one. Ganking takes patience and skill, and success is by no means guaranteed. Basically, if I can't burst an opponent down, I'm in a world of hurt. No shields like my sorc. No heals like my templar. Definitely a challenging and different play style, but it's legit and it does take skill.12 -
Sneaky-Snurr✭✭✭✭✭No, i think it's atrocious because it's a bad mechanic, yea i got killed a couple of times by it, but i also managed to kill some gankers.
@JinMori
I'll take your word for it. So that said, why are you going on about with nerfing if you actually managed to kill some of the gankers? Can't you just do it again IF you could actually kill them in the first place?
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✭✭Oh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
Sorry but your 40k DPS mean nothing in PvP
Learn about CC and CC immunity, and of course, res managementEdited by Xvorg on March 5, 2017 4:20AMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »No, i think it's atrocious because it's a bad mechanic, yea i got killed a couple of times by it, but i also managed to kill some gankers.
@JinMori
I'll take your word for it. So that said, why are you going on about with nerfing if you actually managed to kill some of the gankers? Can't you just do it again IF you could actually kill them in the first place?
WTS tears 60k/drop. COD preferred.
Because i wan't a better game where you don't have to rely on Bad mechanics to be successful, i would like that zenimax fixed the cloak problems, but i don't like that ridiculous damage buff from crouch.0 -
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✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »
Shield stacking was a big problem before the duration nerf, but that is no longer such a big problem, if you continue to shield you will run out if resources at some point.
Anyway i also have 2 nb, so this would actually hit me too.
I'm basically asking zenimax to nerf me crazy right?Edited by JinMori on March 5, 2017 4:29AM0 -
Sneaky-Snurr✭✭✭✭✭Because i wan't a better game where you don't have to rely on Bad mechanics to be successful, i would like that zenimax fixed the cloak problems, but i don't like that ridiculous damage buff from crouch.
@JinMori
I see. But you see, players like you are the ones dumbing the game down with nerf after nerfs. You ARE NOT making the game better with that.
I occasionally PvP on my NB as he is for PvE mostly. However, I use my Khajiit Templar a lot for PvP (not the best race-class combo as many of you know) and I get ganked a lot but I also rarely die to ganks (even with no-CP) because of my defensive and counter-gank skill rotations.
It really isn't that hard to counter gankers you know. For the love of the Divines, stop asking for nerfs. You make me sick.The Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »Because i wan't a better game where you don't have to rely on Bad mechanics to be successful, i would like that zenimax fixed the cloak problems, but i don't like that ridiculous damage buff from crouch.
@JinMori
I see. But you see, players like you are the ones dumbing the game down with nerf after nerfs. You ARE NOT making the game better with that.
I occasionally PvP on my NB as he is for PvE mostly. However, I use my Khajiit Templar a lot for PvP (not the best race-class combo as many of you know) and I get ganked a lot but I also rarely die to ganks (even with no-CP) because of my defensive and counter-gank skill rotations.
It really isn't that hard to counter gankers you know. For the love of the Divines, stop asking for nerfs. You make me sick.
I made this post because i believe that this would not be a bad nerf, the truly bad nerfs where the ones from last patch, like the trap beast nerf, completely unnecessary, since stamina is already behind magicka in dps, or the change to warhorn, which was made purely to bring down the ceiling without adding anything to the bottom, or the radiant nerf which doesn't change anything in pvp, while it reduces damage in pve, I would have personally reduced the range instead of the damage.Edited by JinMori on March 5, 2017 4:47AM0 -
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✭Anyway, i'm not denying that cloak has problems, like every single thing put's you out of cloak, the problem here is when the other don;t see you because you are behind him, you crouch, cloak and heavy attack, that's what i don't like.
Even when you refuse to use radiant mageslight, there's only no counterplay if the ganker wears certain toxic combinations, like Clever Alchemist + Spriggan/Viper. Else, break free and block their Incap. If the ganker is good that he knows how to fear and animation cancel right before Incap, he is good and he deserves that kill.
I am less than average in PvP but I have no issue dealing with average gankers. If the ganker is good, then yeah he deserves the kill.
Also, situational awareness is important. If Ash is UA and you are going from nikel to ash, there's a 80% chance that there are gankers between Ash and Nikel. Slot Radiant Mageslight before riding to Ash. Even gankers with toxic setups cannot gank you now. You see, no one can be patient enough to wait for like an hour in the middle of nowhere, gankers only wait at locations that many people pass through.Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 5, 2017 5:08AMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!4 -
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✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Anyway, i'm not denying that cloak has problems, like every single thing put's you out of cloak, the problem here is when the other don;t see you because you are behind him, you crouch, cloak and heavy attack, that's what i don't like.
Even when you refuse to use radiant mageslight, there's only no counterplay if the ganker wears certain toxic combinations, like Clever Alchemist + Spriggan/Viper. Else, break free and block their Incap. If the ganker is good that he knows how to fear and animation cancel right before Incap, he is good and he deserves that kill.
I am less then average in PvP but I have no issue dealing with average gankers. If the ganker is good, then yeah he deserves the kill.
Also, situational awareness is important. If Ash is UA and you are going from nikel to ash, there's a 80% chance that there are gankers between Ash and Nikel. Slot Radiant Mageslight before riding to Ash. Even gankers with toxic setups cannot gank you now. You see, no one can be patient enough to wait for like an hour in the middle of nowhere, gankers only wait at locations that many people pass through.
I'm not really sure if radiant can save you if the ganker is running sets like viper. But you do have a pointEdited by JinMori on March 5, 2017 5:07AM0 -
Korinth✭✭✭Oh god...here we go...more PvPs whining and crying so ZoS will bring out the nerf bat and Kill yet another build used in PvE. Getting really tired of games that screw with builds just for PvP and totally screw over PvE.4
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✭✭Oh god...here we go...more PvPs whining and crying so ZoS will bring out the nerf bat and Kill yet another build used in PvE. Getting really tired of games that screw with builds just for PvP and totally screw over PvE.
Dude wth are you saying? None of what i suggested would impact pve even in the slightest. The damage that you get from crouch is negligible in pve.0 -
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✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Anyway, i'm not denying that cloak has problems, like every single thing put's you out of cloak, the problem here is when the other don;t see you because you are behind him, you crouch, cloak and heavy attack, that's what i don't like.
Even when you refuse to use radiant mageslight, there's only no counterplay if the ganker wears certain toxic combinations, like Clever Alchemist + Spriggan/Viper. Else, break free and block their Incap. If the ganker is good that he knows how to fear and animation cancel right before Incap, he is good and he deserves that kill.
I am less then average in PvP but I have no issue dealing with average gankers. If the ganker is good, then yeah he deserves the kill.
Also, situational awareness is important. If Ash is UA and you are going from nikel to ash, there's a 80% chance that there are gankers between Ash and Nikel. Slot Radiant Mageslight before riding to Ash. Even gankers with toxic setups cannot gank you now. You see, no one can be patient enough to wait for like an hour in the middle of nowhere, gankers only wait at locations that many people pass through.
I'm not really sure if radiant can save you if the ganker is running sets like viper. But you do have a point
It can. Viper is like 3k damage every 6 seconds, a lot of gankers prefer Spriggan now. Break free, then hold block (or dodge roll, I prefer blocking since i am usually in heavy), drink your immov pot (while holding block), heal if you have to, cast radiant again to prevent the ganker from going stealth, then go full offensive. The rest depends on your skills and the ganker's skills :PEdited by hmsdragonfly on March 5, 2017 5:16AMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!4 -
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✭Oh god...here we go...more PvPs whining and crying so ZoS will bring out the nerf bat and Kill yet another build used in PvE. Getting really tired of games that screw with builds just for PvP and totally screw over PvE.
This is off-topic, but i am not sure there's any NB using Cloak in PvE. Oh, there's none.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!2
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