Nightblade ridiculous damage from stealth needs to be removed

  • JinMori
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    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.
  • azfardajiwang
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    Do you have a defensive bar?
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  • SupremeTravie
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    NB is mostly an offensive class. They have less survivalbility than rest of the classes. Most cases when an NB is caught out of stealth they die rather quickly.I'm assuming you just cannot catch them and they put the jukes on you.Plus it's a class based around stealth. You want to take that away from a key role of the class. What sense does that make? There are many counters to gankers. Plenty of forums to read about it. I suggest read up man.
  • technohic
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.
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    hahahaha
  • JinMori
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    Yet another thread where a L2P noob crys to try to lower the skillcap.

    #carebearsaretakingover#!

    This would actually raise the skillcap, if you were forced to actually use some skills other then just heavy attack.
  • bowmanz607
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    Magelight is passive so.....guess that argument is gone.

    Don't go In a straight line through ganker alley from point a to point b.
    Stay buffed through high traffic areas. Rally, dodge chance, shields, any long hot, armor buffs, etc.
    Listen for combatusing and audio ques. You can hear people cast in stealth. You can hear snipe. Etc. Turn your volume up.have situational awarness.
  • JinMori
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    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.
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    OP, your tears sustain me. Get over getting ganked by glass cannons. Yes NB hit hard, but if we don't drop our targets right away, we are in a world of hurt.
  • technohic
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    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.

    You're fighting multiple players and you're mad you died?

    Edit: And LOL. Happens all the time. You fight anyone then boom; 10 guys show up spamming ultimates.
    Edited by technohic on March 5, 2017 3:48AM
  • bowmanz607
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Yet another thread where a L2P noob crys to try to lower the skillcap.

    #carebearsaretakingover#!

    This would actually raise the skillcap, if you were forced to actually use some skills other then just heavy attack.

    So people you can't counter should change and play how you play instead of you using your skill and learning how to handle things you die to.
  • JinMori
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    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.

    You're fighting multiple players and your mad you died?

    Edit: And LOL. Happens all the time. You fight anyone then boom; 10 guys show up spamming ultimates.

    See this is why pvp is turning into ***, You are outnumbered? Guess i should just drop my weapons or hang myself right away.
    Skill should be rewarded.
    Look at what a single player could do in pvp if he know how the game worked in patch 1.5, it was amazing.
    Edited by JinMori on March 5, 2017 3:50AM
  • Iskrasfemme
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    Suggest to new players: listen old players!
  • technohic
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    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.

    You're fighting multiple players and your mad you died?

    Edit: And LOL. Happens all the time. You fight anyone then boom; 10 guys show up spamming ultimates.

    See this is why pvp is turning into ***, You are outnumbered? Guess i should just drop my weapons or hang myself right away.
    Skill should be rewarded.

    Yeah skill should be rewarded but you are assuming that your skill is better than multiple attackers and a ganker and if that doesn't work, someone needs to get nerfed.

  • Unsent.Soul
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    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.

    You're fighting multiple players and your mad you died?

    Edit: And LOL. Happens all the time. You fight anyone then boom; 10 guys show up spamming ultimates.

    See this is why pvp is turning into ***, You are outnumbered? Guess i should just drop my weapons or hang myself right away.
    Skill should be rewarded.
    Look at what a single player could do in pvp if he know how the game worked in patch 1.5, it was amazing.

    I'd suggest to just stop playing, tactics and situational awareness seem to escape you.
  • JinMori
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    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.

    You're fighting multiple players and your mad you died?

    Edit: And LOL. Happens all the time. You fight anyone then boom; 10 guys show up spamming ultimates.

    See this is why pvp is turning into ***, You are outnumbered? Guess i should just drop my weapons or hang myself right away.
    Skill should be rewarded.

    Yeah skill should be rewarded but you are assuming that your skill is better than multiple attackers and a ganker and if that doesn't work, someone needs to get nerfed.

    YES, if someone doesn't know what he's doing then he should die, unless you are greatly outnumbered.
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    As another long time plaster of this game once said:

    "Having access to a spamable invisibility button is either purposely underrated out of bias or ignorance"

    It renders every single target skill in the game useless...let that sink in ...over 70% of the games skills are useless against it.

    I'm leveling a Nightblade right now, just finishing up his Undaunted, because why not? As bad as folks thought Sorc Streak was/is, the Sorc never:

    1. Dissappers
    2. Becomes untargetable

    You combine shadow image with cloak and blur and you can just be a ninja ripping people. You have 100% control on who, when,where, and how you fight. You always land the first hit,you start every fight on the offensive in your favor, you get a bonus and a stun, your spanable stuns and off balanced targets, and you get Major Ward and Resolve for using it.

    In terms of balance, you really shouldn't be able to go invis or stealth again after opening on someone, but it's doubtful
    ZOS ever changes it

    I'm ok with ganking, but ZOS has given gankers too much of an advantage, that I think needs to be toned down some. Furthermore two handed weapons in TES have never gotten a stealth bonus, and Zos should really remove the two handed stealth bonus in ESO it makes no sense...only daggers and one handed weapons should get it, bows should get half of what daggers and one handed gets without the stun
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  • dreamer
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    JinMori wrote: »
    I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
    I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
    And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.

    It's most CERTAINLY NOT useless in pve! It's a staple of my playstyle, don't speak of what you don't understand.
  • Iskrasfemme
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    As another long time plaster of this game once said:

    "Having access to a spamable invisibility button is either purposely underrated out of bias or ignorance"

    It renders every single target skill in the game useless...let that sink in ...over 70% of the games skills are useless against it.

    I'm leveling a Nightblade right now, just finishing up his Undaunted, because why not? As bad as folks thought Sorc Streak was/is, the Sorc never:

    1. Dissappers
    2. Becomes untargetable

    You combine shadow image with cloak and blur and you can just be a ninja ripping people. You have 100% control on who, when,where, and how you fight. You always land the first hit,you start every fight on the offensive in your favor, you get a bonus and a stun, your spanable stuns and off balanced targets, and you get Major Ward and Resolve for using it.

    In terms of balance, you really shouldn't be able to go invis or stealth again after opening on someone, but it's doubtful
    ZOS ever changes it

    I'm ok with ganking, but ZOS has given gankers too much of an advantage, that I think needs to be toned down some. Furthermore two handed weapons in TES have never gotten a stealth bonus, and Zos should really remove the two handed stealth bonus in ESO it makes no sense...only daggers and one handed weapons should get it, bows should get half of what daggers and one handed gets without the stun

    +1
  • Garrick
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    I agree with OP. It adds nothing to the game in its current state.

    Why can't nightblades be better at stealth, without gaining ridiculous damage from stealth? So they have an advantage in the flanking/scouting/escaping gameplay but ganking is less of an issue.

    I always place exclusively nightblades in elder scrolls. I mean, I use the custom class, but I use the class name nightblade because i think it is cool. To me, it conjures up images of an illusionist/thief. But in ESO it is the most boring class imo. It is boring in pve and in pve it is mostly relegated to ganking, which is not a playstyle I enjoy.

    So reduce the stealth damage to curb the ganking but improve the stealth (perhaps with cool stealth manouvers unique to nb) to keep the scout/thief archetype. Perhaps it will be easier to give the nb useful pve and pvp skills because there is less concern over enhanced ganking.
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    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    So what do they accomplish killing you in the middle of nowhere? Theres not much of a penalty to dieing in this game. If its in a battle that matters, you will get rezed or your side is defeated anyway. How is it any different than being zerged down?

    The reason I will run as a ganker is I do not want to zerg up or don't have people I am grouping with little small scale fights being few and far between.

    You never had the experience of getting ganked while you are fighting against multiple players, then suddenly a nb from stealth shows up and you get one shotted from a heavy attack, i tell you it's pretty annoying.

    You're fighting multiple players and your mad you died?

    Edit: And LOL. Happens all the time. You fight anyone then boom; 10 guys show up spamming ultimates.

    See this is why pvp is turning into ***, You are outnumbered? Guess i should just drop my weapons or hang myself right away.
    Skill should be rewarded.
    Look at what a single player could do in pvp if he know how the game worked in patch 1.5, it was amazing.

    Skill is rewarded. Find some yourself. Don't fight 2 potatoes in the open then get mad when some1 see you as easy AP.

    Watch kodi or jules on twitch. Good players can still 1vx just fine.
  • JinMori
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    dreamer wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    I said it many times and i will say it again, the damage that nb get from stealth is cancerous to the game, it needs to be removed, or at least toned down. It's useless in pve, and it's cancerous in pvp, this "skill" literally adds nothing good to the game, it only icentivize unskillfull playing, and cancerous builds.
    I wonder what would happen if all the nb gankers got they're precious buff removed, and would be forced to actually play with skills.
    And this comes from a guy that has 2 nb, one magicka and one stamina.

    It's most CERTAINLY NOT useless in pve! It's a staple of my playstyle, don't speak of what you don't understand.

    Yes it is almost useless, you can one shot 1 mob? sure gonna take down a boss with that. It won't even make a difference.
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    Radiant Magelight reduces damage from stealth even when you don't cast it. So, you will survive if you have Radiant Mageslight on your bar.
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  • technohic
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    As another long time plaster of this game once said:

    "Having access to a spamable invisibility button is either purposely underrated out of bias or ignorance"

    It renders every single target skill in the game useless...let that sink in ...over 70% of the games skills are useless against it.

    I'm leveling a Nightblade right now, just finishing up his Undaunted, because why not? As bad as folks thought Sorc Streak was/is, the Sorc never:

    1. Dissappers
    2. Becomes untargetable

    You combine shadow image with cloak and blur and you can just be a ninja ripping people. You have 100% control on who, when,where, and how you fight. You always land the first hit,you start every fight on the offensive in your favor, you get a bonus and a stun, your spanable stuns and off balanced targets, and you get Major Ward and Resolve for using it.

    In terms of balance, you really shouldn't be able to go invis or stealth again after opening on someone, but it's doubtful
    ZOS ever changes it

    I'm ok with ganking, but ZOS has given gankers too much of an advantage, that I think needs to be toned down some. Furthermore two handed weapons in TES have never gotten a stealth bonus, and Zos should really remove the two handed stealth bonus in ESO it makes no sense...only daggers and one handed weapons should get it, bows should get half of what daggers and one handed gets without the stun

    All it takes is one hit from 30% that does not require a target, or a DOT, or a delayed damage ability like curse, and those 70% work fine. I can somewhat see where someone is coming from on being ganked but to worry about cloak is worst than worrying about templars healing. It's not a magic escape you make it out to be.
  • Iskrasfemme
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    Good idea, Jules youtube channel :)
  • JinMori
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    Everyone is assuming that i'm a bad player because i don't like this skill, but there are a lot of good players who don't like it, some who are much better then me, you, or anyone that you know, the fact is that you are trying to shut me down by saying that i suck, but i won't fall for that, i stand for what i believe, and i believe that this damage buff is atrocious. I won't take back a single word i said.
  • ZombieZig
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    Woah, dots take me out of stealth unless i purge... k so another non dps ability on the bar now~

    Oh wait, aoe and caltrops take us out of stealth too... hmm as a mNB that fubars me bc i have no stam.

    Clearly something needs to be changed. I say nerf all of these abilities because it defeats me. That cant be fair if it defeats me! Guys? Guys! Aww...

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  • technohic
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Everyone is assuming that i'm a bad player because i don't like this skill, but there are a lot of good players who don't like it, some who are much better then me, you, or anyone that you know, the fact is that you are trying to shut me down by saying that i suck, but i won't fall for that, i stand for what i believe, and i believe that this damage buff is atrocious. I won't take back a single word i said.

    For the record; I don't think you suck. I don't know you so I would not make that assumption. Its just a playstyle that I think is somewhat necessary. Not for ganking even though it will be used that way; but in situation where numbers are not in your favor it is best to use that tactic. I just feel like it is part of the game and it does require more skill than people think to actually affect the battle with it.
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    Oh, and by the way to all of you who keep saying ltp, get gud..... Are you actually a good player yourself? Might wanna reflect on that. The fact is that i believe i'm a pretty decent player, can you pull 40 k + dps, if not then you shouldn't probably lecture me on how to become a better player.
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    JinMori wrote: »
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    What a stupid rant. People who claim that stealthers play "without skill" are just those who don't have the skill themselves to deal with it. Here's an idea -- use radiant magelight to cut damage from stealth in half. Be alert. Use damage shields and/or elude and/or immovable to increase resists. Etc. etc. etc.

    Validating it by saying that you have 2 NBs is pointless. I have 3 NB (1 stamina, 1 magicka, 1 tank) and 6 other max-level characters. So yeah, I see it from both sides. Anybody who thinks that a gank from stealth is a sure thing is just plain simple-minded and wrong.

    Crouch, cloak, charge a heavy attack, surprise attack, maybe proc set, dead, now tell me where is the skill in this.
    How is the other player supposed to react if you don;t see him, the only way to avoid a gank is if you saw the dude before he went into stealth, that's it, you can't counter something if you can't even see it coming.

    The skill is surviving the buddies of the guy you just killed. Oh, you were running around by yourself? That's your problem then.

    I don't think that most gankers have the guts to attack an entire group, they usually just pick a random guy when no one else is around. If you manage to take down a group by ganking you have my respect, because that actually takes skills, but killing a single guy with the insane burst you get from crouch? no

    It's NBs playing style... and I've seen a lot of them taking entire groups
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    Everyone here is saying slot magelight, use detect potions etc, but all of that don't take in account one thing, what happens when you have a guy that you didn't see because he was sneaking up your ass from behind, then use crouch and cloak, then heavy attack and Gn you are dead. Those counters only works if you know that there is someone around, who is gonna use radiant or waste a potion if he doesn't know that there is someone around, ill tell you who. No one. I just wish that there was a better way to use a nb in pvp other then ganking, for me sneaking behind players isn't fun.
    Yea nb should have some kind of mechanic that increases damage from stealth, but this is way too much.

    NBs can't be invisible for all life (specially stamblade which have a higher burst), at some point they need to appear. Radiant prevents the stun and part of the dmg, so after he attacks you, you... how can I say it... yes... COUNTERattack.

    Roll dodge, magelight/AoE. There's at least one sec when the NB doesn't know what to do and you have roll dodge immunity
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