Congratulations Zos, you made the best AP week.

andy_s · March 2017

themdogesbite wrote: »

Also seen a level 47 Centurion, lmao.

pff

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BuggeX · March 2017

andy_s wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

Also seen a level 47 Centurion, lmao.

pff

i wounder if its possible to get 5 stars without beeing l50

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

andy_s wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

Also seen a level 47 Centurion, lmao.

pff

i wounder if its possible to get 5 stars without beeing l50

I know a person aiming to do that - so far lvl 28 Centurion with 0 CP and crystal blast.

As for your comments pertaining to AD - they are no better. It is a three-way farm after all. Once Bleakers dies down or before it even begins, AD and DC / EP farm either Nikel or Sejanus just as hard as those at Bleakers do. And when the farming ends?

Well good luck PVPing when the map looks like this and there are zergs everywhere around.

That actually concerns all 3 factions. AD might control the entirety of the map, but DC zergs too. Not to mention EP and their 4AM 15 men + randoms destro ulti trains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVfgNMkSFk0
I think it's a good example of what you get when you try to "pvp".

BuggeX · March 2017

why do you think the map locks like that? cause ad have the whole day time to turne the map as all dc/ep sits in bleakers.
so basiclly the keeps/res are our only ap.

i was on since 09:00 today, till somewhat 15:00 ep/dc poplocked in bleakers while ad tryed to get a few aps from keeps/res and ganked a few

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

why do you think the map locks like that? cause ad have the whole day time to turne the map as all dc/ep sits in bleakers.
so basiclly the keeps/res are our only ap

Oh, I agree with that. But then again, nobody wants to play against a zerg. And since AD players hardly find any action elsewhere, they do zerg these keeps. And since most EP and DC are at Bleakers either way, the one or two defenders won't do much good.

No what I mean by "good luck playing like this", is that the map stays the same for days in a row. From Monday until now, Wednesday evening, despite Haderus being poplocked, that was the state of the map. Now, you may talk skill as much as you want, but I do genuinely believe it's numbers.

That moment when you have organised 20 man groups at Kings Lumber when the map is looking like this and there are no crosses whatsoever, you know you messed up as a faction.

EDIT: Just as an example regarding the state of the map. Several DC #1 on the leaderboards refused to go out of Bleakers to cap the map when it was completely doable to avoid getting "outfarmed by the #2 and #3 " while they were doing all the dirty work in sieging keeps and fighting. While I think this is ridiculously hilarious, the matter of fact is, they are right. You literally cannot leave the outpost for half an hour if you're aiming for the leaderboards.

Let's face it, outpost swapping is the best source of AP at the moment in-game. And trying to play only to encounter either organised raid groups fighting 5-10 people or else chaotic blobs of randoms that will still overwhelm you via numbers alone isn't that much of a great pastime.

BuggeX · March 2017

ofc ist the best source, its 400-500k ap the hour, no zerg Group or best solo Player can do that much stabel over hours.

and then, why do you aim for the leaderboard? for emp? who is gona turn the map for you as the one who are one the leaderboard leave the map after they get reked by ad. the one legendary pice of *** you get as a reward? what else? to Show how big the *** are and how good they can exploit mby

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

ofc ist the best source, its 400-500k ap the hour, no zerg Group or best solo Player can do that much stabel over hours.

and then, why do you aim for the leaderboard? for emp? who is gona turn the map for you as the one who are one the leaderboard leave the map after they get reked by ad. the one legendary pice of *** you get as a reward? what else? to Show how big the *** are and how good they can exploit mby

I think the question you ought to ask is: Why do people go for emp in general? The Achievement? the subsequent god-mode? The pride of having outfarmed and out no-lifed everyone else? The cheap sensation of slaying wave after wave of pugs? The fleeting glory of being recognized from the leaderboards?

Maybe it's the language barrier, in which case you might want to check out the German or French forums or wherever you hail from, but you seem to have misunderstood my message. I never said the top leaderboard players leave after getting rekt by the AD. They hardly are in a position like that since they do not fight. Nor did I say I was one of them.

I was merely bringing it forth as an example for why the map is AD. Every single person on the leaderboards and/or going for emp, aka every person that should have an interest in playing the map, doesn't do so since they cannot leave Bleakers for fear of getting kicked from said leaderboards by other farmers. As such, nobody on DC nightcaps, defends, or transforms the map into a decent state for pvp (Ash DC - pvp at milegate).
And since nobody on DC (or EP) for that matter, can leave to play or else their whole interest in the map that prompted them to cap / defend in the first place would be gone, AD have free reins to gatecamp the hell out of the map.

And when more players log in and organised raids like ZS or UF or both stop by, taking some keeps back is nigh impossible.

NightbladeMechanics · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

This is strickly happening on EU server and there is noone to blame but the players, lost all respect for anyone flipping the outpost in Haderus...

well zos would have easy ways to prevent that, but they do not, so they are to blame.
you cant blame ppls for "abusing" allowed "exploits"

Yes you can.

But on topic, are competent EU guilds mobilizing to fight the outpost flippers? I saw @themdogesbite talking about fighting them, but I see more complaints than success stories overall. I know we've bombed the *** out of them on NA early on. I perceive a culture much less tolerant of exploits and shortcuts over here than across the pond, but that's my one sided perspective not having been on the EU server for a while.

Cinbri · March 2017

There is one very good thing in this event:
While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded PvE community on EU is. Getting insults for stopping flipping from members of EU top-raiding PvE guilds is cherry on the cake.
@NightbladeMechanics Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire and Hopesfire succesfully stopping it everyday, but members of those guilds also have real life and jobs, so we can do it only at evenings, while ap farmers doing it since early mornings and till someone stop them, like more than 8h every day. And for stopping it we not getting thanks, but only more personal insults from all 3 alliances, won't be surprised if we also mass-reported for everything by those "flippers".

NightbladeMechanics · March 2017

@Cinbri thanks for the insight. Wow that's ridiculous. 8hrs of farming per day sometimes and the community rages you for it?

The difference between the servers can be so interesting sometimes.

Zinaroth · March 2017

Cinbri wrote: »

While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded some player in the PvE community on EU is.

Fixed it for you.

This also hold especially true for:

Cinbri wrote: »

Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire

Both those guilds have some of loudest and most obnoxious players in this community who will stop at nothing to personally herass you.

As goes for Hopesfire I know you have some pretty obnoxious people aswell but enjoyed PvPing with you the times I did.

That's just the thing; high profile guilds will always have people of "inferior" personalities in them. This is not especially true for either PvE or PvP; but equally true for both.

I really hope you stop trying to twist this into some "corruption among the top raiding guilds"-headline; you're starting to sound like a tabloid news paper.

People shouldn't personally insult you for stopping the farming and you shouldn't call out people or provoke salt in zone chat after you did it.

That being said I hope you're having a fun week wiping AFK plebs and talk to you soon.

NightbladeMechanics · March 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded some player in the PvE community on EU is.

high profile guilds will always have people of "inferior" personalities in them.

I disagree with this.

Cinbri · March 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded some player in the PvE community on EU is.

Fixed it for you.

This also hold especially true for:

Cinbri wrote: »

Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire

Both those guilds have some of loudest and most obnoxious players in this community who will stop at nothing to personally herass you.

As goes for Hopesfire I know you have some pretty obnoxious people aswell but enjoyed PvPing with you the times I did.

That's just the thing; high profile guilds will always have people of "inferior" personalities in them. This is not especially true for either PvE or PvP; but equally true for both.

I really hope you stop trying to twist this into some "corruption among the top raiding guilds"-headline; you're starting to sound like a tabloid news paper.

People shouldn't personally insult you for stopping the farming and you shouldn't call out people or provoke salt in zone chat after you did it.

That being said I hope you're having a fun week wiping AFK plebs and talk to you soon.

Both pvp and pve community are toxic. On this forum people try to claim that pve community in this game is nothing but shiny whiteknights that making this game better and have strict moral rules, while pvpers are just all kind of exploiters and abusers. This event just after 3 days showed how wrong those claims. Why doesn't it happen on NA?
Here is another thing - when vMoL was able to complete with scaling it down, or Rakhhat was bugged that allowed people to get skin and achievements, people who wanted competitive end-game content were unhappy about it and were reported those flaw mechanics, while others were doing it and claim they doing it just to get cosmetic option and "have no time" to waste on pve just for something nice. They didn't insulted or flamed on those who asked of remove scaling from trial or fix last boss in vMoL. Now people, mostly pvers, abusing flaw mechanic of ap gain and according to them doing it for exact same purposes - to get skillpoints from alliance ranks, farm achievements like Legate Black because they are "achievemnt farmers", and 50AR for Elder Scrolls furniture. And they "don't wana waste time to do it proper way". They understand that what they doing is wrong but according to them: "don't care coz we are not pvp" and if someone stopping them from doing it, they are not just return to their dids but starting sending rage whispers and flaming in zonechat for minutes. I know you was fight enemies around and could read how many people yelled for like 10 min after we stop flipping everyday, threatened and insulted us, our mothers, our families and etc. or that we had to play in offline mode to stop rivers of rage-whispers. I was even offended by guildmates in guildchat of my pve guild because not allowing them to get "full akaviri motif" just by standing afk for several hours.

I can't remember that for reporting and asking to fix Rakhhat people were witchhunted and flamed for entire days in zonechat.
tl:dr Recap: both pvp and pve are "inferior", but now I prooved at least for myself that pvers can be more vocal and toxic than pvpers and ready to do any terrible thing with you in real life just because you just prevented them from getting couple skillpoints or pvp dye color.

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

Cinbri wrote: »

There is one very good thing in this event:
While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded PvE community on EU is. Getting insults for stopping flipping from members of EU top-raiding PvE guilds is cherry on the cake.
@NightbladeMechanics Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire and Hopesfire succesfully stopping it everyday, but members of those guilds also have real life and jobs, so we can do it only at evenings, while ap farmers doing it since early mornings and till someone stop them, like more than 8h every day. And for stopping it we not getting thanks, but only more personal insults from all 3 alliances, won't be surprised if we also mass-reported for everything by those "flippers".

"We have jobs," he said as an organised 15 men and randoms Hopesfire zerg rolled over the 4- 5 defenders at 4AM on a week night and chased them all the way to Bruma at least 3 times in a row. (Not saying you're in the wrong to do that, merely pointing out the lack of logic in your statement).

You get hate because you aren't fighting enemies on your supposed level, and judging by the level of arrogance most of your group displays on a daily basis, one would think you have better things to do with your time than riding with an entire guild TS group from Arrius to stop a couple of guys flipping the flags and the 20 AFK people around, who wouldn't fight back even if they could.

@NightbladeMechanics Most people are AFK and as such do not rage. Those who do however, it is mostly because of the numbers of the people rushing in to stop the farm. Beyond the fact that way over half of the people who do farm do so because they have no interest in PVP, most aren't even in-game when it happens. So while you might have 30-40 people around in total, the only ones willing and able to fight back can be counted on one hand. And they are the ones who do rage, because for them, it's the same feeling as being zerged down by an organised raid in any other context, which does warrant irritation.

As for "successfully" stopping? I doubt you can ever successfully stop a farm on PC EU. There is a guild organizing it, and judging from what I see, they do have quite a lot of members. Once the raid rush is over, people will just start the farm up again. After all, they have nothing else to do, and surely the raid will stop at some point.
And once the outpost gets too crowded around noon, it is the general policy to move the farm to a resource (DC Lumber - Kings Lumber, Warden Lumber, w/e). While the base ticks are 3k there, most of the time they are more around the 12k benchmark due to the amount of AD rushing in and getting wiped, and farmers killing afking players with cold fire siege just for fun.
I mean, look at the Haderus leaderboards, especially now during the double-AP week. When your #1 makes 3.5M AP in a night of farming, then clearly we have different notions about what "stopping the farm successfully" means.

Cinbri · March 2017

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

There is one very good thing in this event:
While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded PvE community on EU is. Getting insults for stopping flipping from members of EU top-raiding PvE guilds is cherry on the cake.
@NightbladeMechanics Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire and Hopesfire succesfully stopping it everyday, but members of those guilds also have real life and jobs, so we can do it only at evenings, while ap farmers doing it since early mornings and till someone stop them, like more than 8h every day. And for stopping it we not getting thanks, but only more personal insults from all 3 alliances, won't be surprised if we also mass-reported for everything by those "flippers".

"We have jobs," he said as an organised 15 men and randoms Hopesfire zerg rolled over the 4- 5 defenders at 4AM on a week night and chased them all the way to Bruma at least 3 times in a row. (Not saying you're in the wrong to do that, merely pointing out the lack of logic in your statement).

You get hate because you aren't fighting enemies on your supposed level, and judging by the level of arrogance most of your group displays on a daily basis, one would think you have better things to do with your time than riding with an entire guild TS group from Arrius to stop a couple of guys flipping the flags and the 20 AFK people around, who wouldn't fight back even if they could.

@NightbladeMechanics ^^Here is example of what people trying to talk about us, tho this one is most civilised I heared in last days. "We are no-life *** that zerging with 30-men group and cant do anything but farming couple afk scrubs", wonder why does my killcounter indicate different number of enemies. Also were accused for participating in ap farming by ourselves and being paid by ADs and helping them to make haderus yellow. We even got new definition of ourselves as "AP police". See, how sad sistuation on EU now.
P.S.: i typing from my "working" PC, if someone wana try to accuse me for something else.

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

I mean, look at the Haderus leaderboards, especially now during the double-AP week. When your #1 makes 3.5M AP in a night of farming, then clearly we have different notions about what "stopping the farm successfully" means.

It clearly showing who has real life and who is not.

Dral_Shady · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

Haderus, no pvp as DC and EP flipping Bleakers the whole day, making 500k/h, if AD has enought ppls to whipe them out of bleakers they leave the campain.
trueflame, insane ques from 200+, 1h+ to join a campain to pvp, same for azura. and to go offline as you cant Play much longer than mby 2-3h the day.
not to speak of the random logouts and beeing right back to carglon and to que aigan 1h +

and i doubt you will have enought datas to prevent lag in the Feature, azura and tf lags as it allways did.
i think you have enought data to know how to split Pops on 3 campains and destroy pvp within a week.

thats for EU, but well, i think for NA its mostly the same.

Need to say it aigan, zos you sux, hotfixing exp grind within 2 days spots when we still had the ethernal grind to v12/v14 but dont give a damn *** about pvp

god ***, wach that, there is a que for ep and dc for haderus when its not even a prime time, anyone is working or is at the School.

atleast we know now that each camp can fit arround 80 Players each ally into cyro as the leader board stops at ~80 for ep and dc and are locked
so a poped campain has arround 240 Players, with double ap week all 3 camps are locked, so there are mby 1000 - 1200 pvp Players this week including the que.
no wonder you dont give a *** about pvp as we are a Hand full Players from all the game, well i hope so atleast lol

Spent a few hours in Haderus EU last evening and I was disgusted. EP and DC at KC lumber kept flipping for pve AP farm or "RP" as they called it. EP was poplocked but didnt do anything despite almost whole map was yellow. We had a little group of 6-8 and tried taking Sej and Arrius res but we quickly got wiped by huge AD zerg.
We logged of around 8 pm in utter disgust.

Grumble_and_Grunt · March 2017

Cinbri wrote: »

There is one very good thing in this event:
While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded PvE community on EU is. Getting insults for stopping flipping from members of EU top-raiding PvE guilds is cherry on the cake.
@NightbladeMechanics Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire and Hopesfire succesfully stopping it everyday, but members of those guilds also have real life and jobs, so we can do it only at evenings, while ap farmers doing it since early mornings and till someone stop them, like more than 8h every day. And for stopping it we not getting thanks, but only more personal insults from all 3 alliances, won't be surprised if we also mass-reported for everything by those "flippers".

Basically this; Sadly people will do anything for 'achievements' maybe they should remove achievements from PvP and just give us something else lol

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

Cinbri wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics ^^Here is example of what people trying to talk about us, tho this one is most civilised I heared in last days. "We are no-life *** that zerging with 30-men group and cant do anything but farming couple afk scrubs", also were accused for participating in ap farming by ourselves and being paid by ADs and helping them to make haderus yellow. We even got new definition of ourselves as "AP police". See, how sad sistuation on EU now.
P.S.: i typing from my "working" PC, if someone wana try to accuse me for something else.

Well, are you not? I mean every raid group is this at its core. An organised large group of players with AOE skills that they would find completely useless should their group die and they be left alone (I mean when people do say "I'm in a destro raid build" to justify running away whenever confronted in a 1v1, surely you can understand why players think it isn't very skilled), farming other unorganized or new / clueless players and then congratulating themselves on some awesome pvp and making videos of it.

I didn't know that you were accused of helping AD, though given that instead of fighting ZS or UF, which are other organised groups of your size and level, you band with them to kill AFKing scrubs, it isn't that far-fetched.

As for the whole "numbers", while you might be 10 in group, you always seem to conveniently ignore the 5-8 righteous randoms that are always there before your arrival and keep on repairing the walls, sieging players ("providing air support", as they would say), and generally negating or ulti dumping alongside with you.

Lets face it, when you manage to have 15 man TS groups at 4AM, you're just as much a no-life as all the people farming are. However the "AP Policing" you do is largely unnecessary and unrewarding. You claim to be doing that for "pvp", but once you do kill the AFK scrubs and put an end to the despicable farm, you simply go back to Azura or Tf or wherever you come from, since there is no PVP happening at all. Nor do people want for it to happen, since as I said, ultimately you're fighting some unorganized guys you outnumber 3:1.

As I said, it is your prerogative to do so, but you have to understand where all the hate for your methods comes from. Not to mention that your arrogance and the whole "we're awesome, you suck. Small wonder you farm since you die in 2sec (which is pretty much expected when you're alone and have 2 negates and 3 destro ultis on your recap)" attitude isn't that pretty or laudable.

EDIT : @Cinbri I saw your kill counter pic on other threads. It includes the amount of enemies that were trying to decrown your magicka DK emp dude on Azura and that you had to stop. And please reread what I said "while there are 30-40 people in the outposts, only a handful of them are fighting." I am not suggesting that only 4-5 players farm. I am saying that only 4-5 of them fight back. Nothing's stopping you from killing the 30-40 random afk players, which does help your kill counter numbers a lot.
And seriously, if you're going to post screens like this, please make sure you do not include all your raiding on Azura in it. Numbers lie.

This is my "kill counter" from yesterday's session at Kings Lumber. The 128 EPS I killed were all afkers whom I sieged with a Cold Fire Trebuchet from the tower to boost my flipping ticks. And the 8 times I died were when I afk'ed myself and was found by the "ap police" and disgruntled EPs who came back from afk and saw my name in their death recap.
But hey, I could claim I had an intense and productive PVP sessions too, amirit?

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

Cinbri wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded some player in the PvE community on EU is.

Fixed it for you.

This also hold especially true for:

Cinbri wrote: »

Zerg Squad, Unfriendly Fire

Both those guilds have some of loudest and most obnoxious players in this community who will stop at nothing to personally herass you.

As goes for Hopesfire I know you have some pretty obnoxious people aswell but enjoyed PvPing with you the times I did.

That's just the thing; high profile guilds will always have people of "inferior" personalities in them. This is not especially true for either PvE or PvP; but equally true for both.

I really hope you stop trying to twist this into some "corruption among the top raiding guilds"-headline; you're starting to sound like a tabloid news paper.

People shouldn't personally insult you for stopping the farming and you shouldn't call out people or provoke salt in zone chat after you did it.

That being said I hope you're having a fun week wiping AFK plebs and talk to you soon.

Both pvp and pve community are toxic. On this forum people try to claim that pve community in this game is nothing but shiny whiteknights that making this game better and have strict moral rules, while pvpers are just all kind of exploiters and abusers. This event just after 3 days showed how wrong those claims. Why doesn't it happen on NA?
Here is another thing - when vMoL was able to complete with scaling it down, or Rakhhat was bugged that allowed people to get skin and achievements, people who wanted competitive end-game content were unhappy about it and were reported those flaw mechanics, while others were doing it and claim they doing it just to get cosmetic option and "have no time" to waste on pve just for something nice. They didn't insulted or flamed on those who asked of remove scaling from trial or fix last boss in vMoL. Now people, mostly pvers, abusing flaw mechanic of ap gain and according to them doing it for exact same purposes - to get skillpoints from alliance ranks, farm achievements like Legate Black because they are "achievemnt farmers", and 50AR for Elder Scrolls furniture. And they "don't wana waste time to do it proper way". They understand that what they doing is wrong but according to them: "don't care coz we are not pvp" and if someone stopping them from doing it, they are not just return to their dids but starting sending rage whispers and flaming in zonechat for minutes. I know you was fight enemies around and could read how many people yelled for like 10 min after we stop flipping everyday, threatened and insulted us, our mothers, our families and etc. or that we had to play in offline mode to stop rivers of rage-whispers. I was even offended by guildmates in guildchat of my pve guild because not allowing them to get "full akaviri motif" just by standing afk for several hours.

I can't remember that for reporting and asking to fix Rakhhat people were witchhunted and flamed for entire days in zonechat.
tl:dr Recap: both pvp and pve are "inferior", but now I prooved at least for myself that pvers can be more vocal and toxic than pvpers and ready to do any terrible thing with you in real life just because you just prevented them from getting couple skillpoints or pvp dye color.

Because nobody actively tried to stop the Rakhhat exploiters in-game? If you limited your salt to forums, people wouldn't care, and you wouldn't get insulted at all (apart by a couple of brave forum warriors).
If you would've been in a position to "ruin" the Rakhhat exploiters' party, if only temporarily, trust me, you would have been QQed just as much.

And don't think you're a special snowflake. Many prominent AP farmers get as much hate mails as you do, if not more.

Subversus · March 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

While people claiming how toxic PvP community is, this event showed how deeply morally degraded some player in the PvE community on EU is.

high profile guilds will always have people of "inferior" personalities in them.

I disagree with this.

ESO must be your first MMO lmfao. Most top MMO players are super toxic. ESO is surprisingly the exception of that, though it's not far off.

ToRelax · March 2017

I don't get why you are attacking each other here? Most people have been playing in ways others weren't okay with at some point or another, what does that even have to do with the situation now. Or is there anyone here openly endorsing the outpost flipping going on?
Otherwise could you please get your egos down to the point of civilized conversation again? It's blatantly obvious to me most of the accusation flying around have their root in ignorance of the guilds and players being talked about... and for once I do care somewhat because mine is among them.

BuggeX · March 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

This is strickly happening on EU server and there is noone to blame but the players, lost all respect for anyone flipping the outpost in Haderus...

well zos would have easy ways to prevent that, but they do not, so they are to blame.
you cant blame ppls for "abusing" allowed "exploits"

Yes you can.

But on topic, are competent EU guilds mobilizing to fight the outpost flippers? I saw @themdogesbite talking about fighting them, but I see more complaints than success stories overall. I know we've bombed the *** out of them on NA early on. I perceive a culture much less tolerant of exploits and shortcuts over here than across the pond, but that's my one sided perspective not having been on the EU server for a while.

there are about 150 reds/blues. also top reds guilds sits there and trade ap, even with 24 man you cant bomb them out as there are to many. not anyone is big boss who can mobilize 400 pugs out of the nowhere lol

also @Cinbri bele was sitting there with a whole zerg doing nothing for hours than trading self ap and whiping ad Groups out who try to interup them. so i doubt they do anything to stop the trade.

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

I don't get why you are attacking each other here? Most people have been playing in ways others weren't okay with at some point or another, what does that even have to do with the situation now. Or is there anyone here openly endorsing the outpost flipping going on?
Otherwise could you please get your egos down to the point of civilized conversation again? It's blatantly obvious to me most of the accusation flying around have their root in ignorance of the guilds and players being talked about... and for once I do care somewhat because mine is among them.

I'd say that I am indeed endorsing the farm. Or at least seeing nothing wrong with it. Just like I see nothing wrong with organised raids incing it at 4am. I'm merely pointing out that the very same guilds incing at 4am call other people jobless no-lifes. And that they seem awfully proud of killing afking scrubs.

If you do manage to stop the farm past 10am or in primetime, when most people are indeed in-game and do fight back, bringing the numbers like @BuggeX said up to 100-150, then sure, that would be praise-worthy and commendable. However, you do not. You come and try to ruin it in the dark hours of the night, made for "no-lifes", when there's only a few people there actually fighting back. And I'm sorry but putting 2 negates and 3 destro ultis for one guy doesn't really seem skilled to me.

Sashke · March 2017

poor red flippers. oh i don't know, using сlicker programs is the part of RP event or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4S22xTEQok

BuggeX · March 2017

Sashke wrote: »

poor red flippers. oh i don't know, using сlicker programs is the part of RP event or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4S22xTEQok

you could even use a 1Cent coin, placing it over W and ruin aiganst the wall

BuggeX · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

Sashke wrote: »

poor red flippers. oh i don't know, using сlicker programs is the part of RP event or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4S22xTEQok

you could even use a 1Cent coin, placing it over W and ruin aiganst the wall

so @ZOS_BrianWheeler what about them acctually "botting" APs?`i doubt any off them is just sitting plain 8hours in bleakers doing nothing

ToRelax · March 2017

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

I don't get why you are attacking each other here? Most people have been playing in ways others weren't okay with at some point or another, what does that even have to do with the situation now. Or is there anyone here openly endorsing the outpost flipping going on?
Otherwise could you please get your egos down to the point of civilized conversation again? It's blatantly obvious to me most of the accusation flying around have their root in ignorance of the guilds and players being talked about... and for once I do care somewhat because mine is among them.

I'd say that I am indeed endorsing the farm. Or at least seeing nothing wrong with it. Just like I see nothing wrong with organised raids incing it at 4am. I'm merely pointing out that the very same guilds incing at 4am call other people jobless no-lifes. And that they seem awfully proud of killing afking scrubs.

If you do manage to stop the farm past 10am or in primetime, when most people are indeed in-game and do fight back, bringing the numbers like BuggeX said up to 100-150, then sure, that would be praise-worthy and commendable. However, you do not. You come and try to ruin it in the dark hours of the night, made for "no-lifes", when there's only a few people there actually fighting back. And I'm sorry but putting 2 negates and 3 destro ultis for one guy doesn't really seem skilled to me.

Like I said, this discussion is founded on ignorance. I'm not even playing atm, and Cinbri seems to detest only exploiting more than zerging, so as you are "indeed endorsing the farm", you might not be in the best position to analyze his motivations.

Since I am not seeing what's going on myself, I also can't speak about the farming going on or being interrupted at prime time.
As for what's skilled or not, I'd say it's the players; a skilled player doesn't somehow lose their skill by winning easy fights.
I would simply ask you, and everyone else, don't try to discredit other guilds you know little to nothing about. That helps no one.

Zinaroth · March 2017

@Cinbri I think the Rakkhat incident was different ik that it clearly was an exploit where you glitched through walls to attack a boss just standing still. The keep flipping is at most abuse of a game design. Not an exploit. Otherwise you're absolutely correct and the hipocrisy runs deep both in the PvE and PvP community. I saw zone chat and it's absolutely horrible how much hate you guys are getting for playing the game the way you want. But you must also have the insight to realize that when people from your group write "get rekt" and the like in zone chat after clearing the farm area it's bound to spur hate. You would have gotten flak either way but I do feel like you're also puring gasoline on the fire. Maybe not you personally but the people you run with.

But you're absolutely right. The amount of hypocrisy on both sides of this is intense.

Dral_Shady · March 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

Sashke wrote: »

poor red flippers. oh i don't know, using сlicker programs is the part of RP event or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4S22xTEQok

Kinda makes me laugh and being sad at the same time. There really is no consequences for ppl doing this and thus the game suffers.

Magic_Longsword · March 2017

Sashke wrote: »

poor red flippers. oh i don't know, using сlicker programs is the part of RP event or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4S22xTEQok

I think, you'll find it that they are practicing a scene for the roleplay. It's called Method Acting, look it up.