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No keep flipping on PC NA, why?
OldGamerESO
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By reading the forums you would think this is on all servers, but I have seen no evidence on PC NA. I have checked all the campaigns. In fact its been the opposite, very slow AP gain even on double AP. Why did we fight at Nikel for 90 minutes last night? EP defended well but DC was for some reason unwilling to concede we could not break them. Anyway, where is this magic 200k AP per hour for the US 
I won't lie, I would love to get Vigor / Caltrops for 5 stam characters if I could do it quick, seems like a one-time opportunity.
(To answer my own question it looks like the amount of collusion necessary to do this across factions only exists on Haderous PC/EU. And it is a lame mechanic the vast majority of people have no interest in).
Edited by OldGamerESO on March 1, 2017 2:51PM I won't lie, I would love to get Vigor / Caltrops for 5 stam characters if I could do it quick, seems like a one-time opportunity.(To answer my own question it looks like the amount of collusion necessary to do this across factions only exists on Haderous PC/EU. And it is a lame mechanic the vast majority of people have no interest in).
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Yuke✭✭✭✭✭healthy populations and a also healthy amount of cross faction hate is probably the reason noone is doing it on US.
You still need two factions willing to not attack eachother to do this *** (and to wipe the third party if they dare to engage).
Hope that ZOS give us the opportunity of Account-Transfers in the future. I heard our mighty guild leader Derra is willing to pay 1000 Euro+ to get our whole guild transfered to US.
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malicia✭✭✭✭I visited Haderous PC/EU last night with the idea of trying my best to kill some of those farmers. To my surprise I found myself in one battle after the other, both attacking and defending keeps. It was lots of fun. I saw one player who tried to hide on a tower, but suspect that he was trying to survive rather than farm.PC, EU
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Not the worst either. "Casual" != "totally ignorant"
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Valencer✭✭✭✭✭
✭On PC EU there seems to be a general dislike for the AD zerg nowadays, which is why so many DC and EP are trying to have their own fun in a "different" way. Funny how that works.0 -
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✭OldGamerESO wrote: »By reading the forums you would think this is on all servers, but I have seen no evidence on PC US. I have checked all the campaigns. In fact its been the opposite, very slow AP gain even on double AP. Why did we fight at Nikel for 90 minutes last night? EP defended well but DC was for some reason unwilling to concede we could not break them. Anyway, where is this magic 200k AP per hour for the US I won't lie, I would love to get Vigor / Caltrops for 5 stam characters if I could do it quick, seems like a one-time opportunity.
(To answer my own question it looks like the amount of collusion necessary to do this across factions only exists on Haderous PC/EU. And it is a lame mechanic the vast majority of people have no interest in).
It can only happen at certain times of the day...0 -
Vurian97✭✭✭Your population isn't aware of it enough and people don't want 400k AP/h with no penalties.
There was a few guilds who tried getting my guild to agree to doing it on NA Azura's Star but we decided to pass on that. We would much rather have meaningful PvP. It's not that they aren't aware, it's that people are saying no to it.3 -
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✭✭It's the same thing on PS4. People are just straight ignorant to how the big AP gains are really happening. They're compelled to fight these huge never ending battles that don't make a fraction of the AP from taking a resource yields.
I've no idea why players think they need to dig in and defend so hard for. Let them take it. Then take it back. Over and over. Players are just not smart enough to figure it out.1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »It's the same thing on PS4. People are just straight ignorant to how the big AP gains are really happening. They're compelled to fight these huge never ending battles that don't make a fraction of the AP from taking a resource yields.
I've no idea why players think they need to dig in and defend so hard for. Let them take it. Then take it back. Over and over. Players are just not smart enough to figure it out.
Many people (like myself) have millions and millions of AP. A million or two more really doesn't matter. Especially if it means not actually having fun fights.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Sorry, noob question- PC US? Did ZoS give the US it's own server? Or did you mean PC NA? This isn't the first time I've seen that posted in the last week or so, kinda interested.0 -
OldGamerESO✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »Sorry, noob question- PC US? Did ZoS give the US it's own server? Or did you mean PC NA? This isn't the first time I've seen that posted in the last week or so, kinda interested.
That is my bad. I have fixed it, thanks.0 -
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✭✭✭✭At least during the daytime hours, PC NA is a little bit too competitive for that. Many people like killing the opposing factions just as much as they like AP.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭healthy populations and a also healthy amount of cross faction hate is probably the reason noone is doing it on US.
Yup. Even if a couple of guilds agreed to this, there would quickly be enough people from all the factions mobilized to make an actual fight out of things.Tal'gro Bol
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Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »It's the same thing on PS4. People are just straight ignorant to how the big AP gains are really happening. They're compelled to fight these huge never ending battles that don't make a fraction of the AP from taking a resource yields.
I've no idea why players think they need to dig in and defend so hard for. Let them take it. Then take it back. Over and over. Players are just not smart enough to figure it out.
Not sure if you are joking. Hoping you are.Tal'gro Bol
PvP Vice Officer [Retired] and Huscarl of Vokundein
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✭Because the player base of EU consists primarily of scumbags and scoundrels and the player base of NA consists only of god fearing, respectful and honest players, obviously?1 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭One thing I have seen a few times this week on PC NA that puzzled me is I've observed giant guild groups cap most of a map and then not defend any of the keeps they captured.
Not sure if they simply don't care about defending, logged off and went to bed, or did they switch to other faction and capture the map again with a different color?0 -
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✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »One thing I have seen a few times this week on PC NA that puzzled me is I've observed giant guild groups cap most of a map and then not defend any of the keeps they captured.
Not sure if they simply don't care about defending, logged off and went to bed, or did they switch to other faction and capture the map again with a different color?
They've posted stats before on how few players have multi-faction characters. It's not a case of guilds pvdooring, swapping factions and pvdooring again just for grins.
If we are talking about PC NA Haderus, it's emp swapping. A couple of resident guilds plus visiting TF guilds are coming to Haderus to farm emp achieves. They pvdoor emp, then log off so they lose it. #1 drops campaign. PvDoor again for the guildie now in the top slot.
It's been pretty easy since both EP and AD are doing it and now DC is starting to do the same. So the map flips fast. We've had days with 3, 4 even 5 emps.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Because the player base of EU consists primarily of scumbags and scoundrels and the player base of NA consists only of god fearing, respectful and honest players, obviously?
I just won't say anything...@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »One thing I have seen a few times this week on PC NA that puzzled me is I've observed giant guild groups cap most of a map and then not defend any of the keeps they captured.
Not sure if they simply don't care about defending, logged off and went to bed, or did they switch to other faction and capture the map again with a different color?
They've posted stats before on how few players have multi-faction characters. It's not a case of guilds pvdooring, swapping factions and pvdooring again just for grins.
If we are talking about PC NA Haderus, it's emp swapping. A couple of resident guilds plus visiting TF guilds are coming to Haderus to farm emp achieves. They pvdoor emp, then log off so they lose it. #1 drops campaign. PvDoor again for the guildie now in the top slot.
It's been pretty easy since both EP and AD are doing it and now DC is starting to do the same. So the map flips fast. We've had days with 3, 4 even 5 emps.
They didn't get emperor or go for any scrolls, just capped most of another faction's home keeps and then let them take it all back easily, didn't defend anything. Happened a few times on both Haderus and TF this week.
.Edited by IcyDeadPeople on March 1, 2017 4:46PM0 -
NightbladeMechanics✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »One thing I have seen a few times this week on PC NA that puzzled me is I've observed giant guild groups cap most of a map and then not defend any of the keeps they captured.
Not sure if they simply don't care about defending, logged off and went to bed, or did they switch to other faction and capture the map again with a different color?
They've posted stats before on how few players have multi-faction characters. It's not a case of guilds pvdooring, swapping factions and pvdooring again just for grins.
If we are talking about PC NA Haderus, it's emp swapping. A couple of resident guilds plus visiting TF guilds are coming to Haderus to farm emp achieves. They pvdoor emp, then log off so they lose it. #1 drops campaign. PvDoor again for the guildie now in the top slot.
It's been pretty easy since both EP and AD are doing it and now DC is starting to do the same. So the map flips fast. We've had days with 3, 4 even 5 emps.
They didn't get emperor, just capped most of another faction's home keeps and then let them take it all back easily, didn't defend anything. Happened a few times on both Haderus and TF this week.
I've noticed factions getting wrapped up at large, engaging sieges for long periods of time, losing their home keeps to smaller groups of enemies, and still choosing to finish out the big siege fight before taking back the lost keeps.
The attackers tend to have wandered off by that point, leaving the keeps undefended again.Edited by NightbladeMechanics on March 1, 2017 4:47PMKena
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✭✭✭✭✭At least on Trueflame it's because we actually care about fights and playing the map since that's how we have fun. It's nice that, at least for now, that's actually paired with a decent pace of progression in rank.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭kylewwefan wrote: »It's the same thing on PS4. People are just straight ignorant to how the big AP gains are really happening. They're compelled to fight these huge never ending battles that don't make a fraction of the AP from taking a resource yields.
I've no idea why players think they need to dig in and defend so hard for. Let them take it. Then take it back. Over and over. Players are just not smart enough to figure it out.
They are not ignorant of anything. Believe it or not..some people PVP because they want to compete and have meaningful engagements with the enemy...not just collude and farm AP in the path of least resistance like a robot. I am even willing to bet it's the majority of people who play the game.Edited by c0rp on March 1, 2017 4:51PMForce weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭Made 3.7m AP in 2 days on PC NA TF just playing the map, pvdooring back keeps, and a small amount of farming. No coordinated flipping. To be honest I don't try and defend keeps as much as I normally would. I'll let a home keep or an outpost go because I know we can get it back super easy for 10 times the AP, and in the meantime I can take another keep/outpost. Almost no point defending/attacking objectives on the front line anyway unless you want endless battles. Why should I defend Roebeck aginst 60+ blues at 5:30am EST for half an hour only to get a 16k tick that I could have gotten in 3minutes somewhere else.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Made 3.7m AP in 2 days on PC NA TF just playing the map, pvdooring back keeps, and a small amount of farming. No coordinated flipping. To be honest I don't try and defend keeps as much as I normally would. I'll let a home keep or an outpost go because I know we can get it back super easy for 10 times the AP, and in the meantime I can take another keep/outpost. Almost no point defending/attacking objectives on the front line anyway unless you want endless battles. Why should I defend Roebeck aginst 60+ blues at 5:30am EST for half an hour only to get a 16k tick that I could have gotten in 3minutes somewhere else.
This is what's happening on NA. No coordinated keep trading, but not much defending because it's far more rewarding to take something. Everyone just swarms lightly defended keeps and resources, going in circles.2013
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OldGamerESO✭✭✭
This is what's happening on NA. No coordinated keep trading, but not much defending because it's far more rewarding to take something. Everyone just swarms lightly defended keeps and resources, going in circles.
I need to improve my game! I gained half a level in Assault (finally got vigor!) over the course of 4 hours. very low AP gain. I seem to be really unlucky and be in keeps trying to defend them as they are lost. I did learn how to use burning oil though.... great fun that is!
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »One thing I have seen a few times this week on PC NA that puzzled me is I've observed giant guild groups cap most of a map and then not defend any of the keeps they captured.
Not sure if they simply don't care about defending, logged off and went to bed, or did they switch to other faction and capture the map again with a different color?
They've posted stats before on how few players have multi-faction characters. It's not a case of guilds pvdooring, swapping factions and pvdooring again just for grins.
If we are talking about PC NA Haderus, it's emp swapping. A couple of resident guilds plus visiting TF guilds are coming to Haderus to farm emp achieves. They pvdoor emp, then log off so they lose it. #1 drops campaign. PvDoor again for the guildie now in the top slot.
It's been pretty easy since both EP and AD are doing it and now DC is starting to do the same. So the map flips fast. We've had days with 3, 4 even 5 emps.
They didn't get emperor or go for any scrolls, just capped most of another faction's home keeps and then let them take it all back easily, didn't defend anything. Happened a few times on both Haderus and TF this week.
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That's probably just people PvDooring for 12k AP and there's no incentive for the other side to defend.
More than once last night I watched a zerg wait for us to flip a resource flag before engaging to they would get the O-tick.0 -
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✭There are keeps? Who knew!Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There was a tri-faction fight at Ales (Haderus-N/A) last night that was absolutely back and forth for nearly an hour.
EP busted open the front door ... only to be backcapped by AD not once, but twice. At one point I got rolled by 15 AD on the west wall ... one of the AD was a Trading Guild guildie who hardly ever PvPs. Both of us had a good laugh.
Due to the forward camp timer, I had to ride back from Glade three times.
Finally, DC was able to clear the rest of the east (farm) side of the keep ... resulting in a 43k D-tick.
Yeah, no keep-flipping collusion that I could see on PC NA.0