Should CPs Really Carry Over to New Characters?

  • ADarklore
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    Yes
    Yet another OP thinks the game should be designed according to how THEY think players should play.

    The amount of time involved in acquiring CP is outrageous, now I might consider this OK IF and ONLY IF they also had Class change tokens. However, to start out a new character and spend weeks/months to be able to wear the gear that your main wears, it would prohibit most players from ever running an Alt. ZOS makes money off of players playing the game and sticking around, they would not create a system that penalizes players and drives them from the game. I've often thought it would be OK to withhold CP access until level 50, and then allow account-bound CP to kick in... but most players don't even want that. However, now with One Tamriel launch, CP's are very valuable from the start, unlike making you super OP prior to One Tamriel.

    Furthermore, OP, WHY do you worry so much about how other players are playing? What do you care whether they want to utilize CP from the very start of a new character or not?!?

    Also note how most players that want to switch from console to PC or vice versa have stated the MAIN reason they won't do it is because they'd have to re-grind CPs.
    Edited by ADarklore on February 27, 2017 2:22PM
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  • EldritchPenguin
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    In a game that has such a massive variety of playstyles and is intentionally built ground-up to have massive replay value, new characters need to be less punishing to level up, not more punishing.

    Veteran levels were removed for a reason.
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  • Deceptive_Yoshi
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    Yes
    Grinding to VR16 to each character was madness now saying we gotta get to cp600 on each character is almost as insane as Sheogorath himself.
  • ChuckyPayne
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    Yes
    I would never make an alt, ever, if I had to restart CP...

    This.

    There are many thing to do with alts. For example only skills and skill lines. Soo much hours to finish all guilds, stories etc.
    I think we don't need cp farming.

    Every evening I have trouble, what can I do first, so much thing to do with alts. If ZOS would do this, my all troubles are gone. I play only with my main character, and I will have so much time to play with main, or with other game if we w8ing for next content.
  • Auros
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    Yes
    The same as paragon levels in Diablo 3 dude, ppl roll what not ... the grind is not needed from 0 and should be rewarded.
  • Katahdin
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    Yes
    I would never make new characters or play my alts. It would add a horrendous grind that would kill enjoyment of the game.
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  • JWKe
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    Achievements should be carried over too :)
  • Bigevilpeter
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    Yes
    You love mindless grinding don't you?
  • TheShadowScout
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    Yes
    I am usually very much against account wide stuff.

    Champion Points however... those are a good thing!

    I mean, how many times in other games have I despaired because...
    ...I made another alt or two, and then had to do all the grind beyond the "play through the game" stage over and over again. In some games, with "alternate advancement" mechanics, that grind can be -huge- enough that doing it once is painful, doing it once for every character is mindkilling - and unlike, say, achievements, you -need- those alternate advancement perks to stay competetive...
    ...how often have I played at max level in other games, and then felt cheated when some DLC expanded the current max level, and I had to start those new levels again, despite having played a LOT on my max level characters?

    With CP, you never "waste" XP gains, and you have it much, much easier making an alt, or a couple, try out the various classes in different flavors, and still not need to spend too much time on them before they are "endgame ready" or such.

    All in all, I think ESO has a very well done balance between individuality and accountwide progress.
  • Voxicity
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    Yes
    lolololololololololol
  • Darkestnght
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    Yes
    I have spent over 2 years getting my CP up to 0ver 700.

    I feel if you have invested that much time and energy into a toon then every new toon I make should have that CP available to them as I have already put it the time and grind.

    I would not spend another year or more leveling up a new toon to 600 CP
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  • BRogueNZ
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    there goes and idea of doing away with CP altogether, the tears. I guess they would provide and alt-ernative
  • VaxtinTheWolf
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    I believe they should only affect Lv50 characters. So Lv1-49 CP is disabled. But when any char on your account reaches 50, they get their ability to make use of CP. It being account wide is fine, I just dont think pre Lv50 chars should be able to use it.
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Yes
    This would totally destroy alt play if they didn't carry over. The the game is grindy enough, thank you very much.
  • mtwiggz
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    Yes
    At first I thought it was the most ridiculous idea ever. Once CP was on live and I realized it was 850k EXP per CP, I no longer thought it was ridiculous.

    I could not imagine having to grind to CP cap on all 10 of my characters. I'd most likely quit, or all but one character would be collecting dust.
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    No
    i don't think that anything should be account wide..... it should be character by character.
    Edited by jedtb16_ESO on February 27, 2017 5:55PM
  • driosketch
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    This is literally the core around which CP is built. It is a replacement for the previous per character progression system. Asking if it should be account wide is like asking if swords should deal damage before you add a glyph or poison.
    Edited by driosketch on February 27, 2017 6:02PM
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  • ADarklore
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    Yes
    i don't think that anything should be account wide..... it should be character by character.

    I take it you don't play a lot of alts, because if you did, I think you're response would be very different. It seems to me that those voting NO are players who play a single character versus players who have several alts.
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  • AdamBourke
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    Yes
    I think that you should have the option, in case you REALLY want to start again, but yes. Levelling isn't really that fun the second time....
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  • LadyLavina
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    Yes
    Chrysa1is wrote: »
    The same as achievements & skill points should. But NOPE. You have to grind them all over again on new character...

    Which is right I think. New character = new game.

    Me thinks this individual did not have to grind multiple characters to v16 when vet ranks were a thing.
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  • itehache
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    I don't think I would have alts if we didn't. Took me forever to get to 590 and I'm still not in cp cap :lol:

    I personally think that we should not be able to use them until we reach level 50 though.
  • Tasear
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    Yes
    You weren't there youngin back in my day you had to deal with intensive grind to v16 in fact after was over zos gave 40cp per vet 16 toon .

    Fact is v16 was like CP 300 in reality it took way too long and nobody wants to it again.
  • timb16_ESO85
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    This all comes down to how you play the game: If you play it like a rpg (skyrim for instance), than you expect each slot to be a seperate save. However, if you play it like an mmo, you want to be able to switch between characters based on what your group needs, or to increase the size of your overall collection (achievements, mounts, costumes gear etc), you want to have a account progress models, otherwise helping your groupmates means sacrificing your own game.

    Since I primarily play eso as an mmo, I voted yes
  • Kenthros
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    No
    i voted no, but i am ok with ether way. sometimes im ok with wanting to start fresh and play something new and other times im not.
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  • Travy_2Hype
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    Yes
    I think CP should definitely carry over!
    I would rather grind a new character from 1 to 50 than grind 600CP all over again.
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  • Vahrokh
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    Yes
    I have just unsubbed SWTOR, where they recently made a patch that makes playing new / multiple characters a royal pain in the *beep*.

    This foolish move has costed them so many subs that the developers for the first time in ages had to make unscheduled podcasts reassuring players they'd partially revert the dumb changes!


    I don't know why people insist with this fetish of having to play Korean grinders like it's the most fun experience ever.
    No, it's not.

    If you REALLY want to avoid new, low level characters being overpowered, just make CPs only enabled on them starting with level 40 or something.
    Not going to re-grind again and again, shards are boring to regrind enough already.
    Edited by Vahrokh on February 27, 2017 6:27PM
  • Abeille
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    Yes
    They made a system of nearly eternal grind. The least they could have done was making it account wide, which thankfully they had the good sense to do. So yes, they absolutely have to carry over to new characters.

    I would be okay with their usage being locked until you got to lvl 50 on that character, since the leveling process is even more trivial with CP, but that's as far as I think it should go, and this isn't something necessary - I just wait until I get to 50 to apply them on my characters, no need to harm other people because I prefer to not use CP on low level characters.

    You could do something similar. Every time you make a new character, do not use CP on them until they get to 50. Then, when they get to 50, only use the CPs you get on that particular character.
    Edited by Abeille on February 27, 2017 6:46PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

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    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Alpheu5
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    Yes
    There is a way you can make a new character and reset your CP at the same time, and it'd make both you and ZoS very happy.

    Buy the game again.
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  • jaye63
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    Yes
    Yes. Why? Because the majority of people who actually spend money on the game have jobs and dont want to spend years to achieve what everyone else achieves in a few months. If you want the game to live, then you have to cater to those that actually spend money. And Im not talking about $160/yr for the sub. Im talking about those that buy all of the stuff from the crown store. XP pots, food, drink, cosmetics, all of the DLCs, and so on. You want them to play several characters so they will want to spend money to individualize those characters. And this is NOT about pay to win. So far, with the normal exception of DLCs, you dont have to buy anything to *win*.

    There is already plenty of things that will take years to accomplish. Why make it harder on the people who keep the game running?
  • Rajajshka
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    Yes
    Not having cp carry over to a new character would make this game even less alt friendly...
    Edited by Rajajshka on February 27, 2017 10:19PM
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