Trottz wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

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I much prefer the Guild Trader system, it involves more "work" than an AH does but it is less prone to corruption & control than the AH system is.
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Don't let youself be deluded.There are unpublished add-ons, surveying enough to prevent serious bargain goods.

IE: TTC

Auction houses suck, plain and simple. They are useful for lazy people, sure, but the average person on ESO can make a ton of gold just playing the trader game. Some people really love this. All an AH does is drive down the value of items by constant undercutting until nothing has value.

Hell they could keep the traders system but an option that let's u know that item is being sold cheaper in a different zone(doesn't have to be the exact trader) would be greatly appreciated.

Want a better auction house, better housing, and/or a much(!!!) better inventory system?

Play swtor.

Otherwise you have to suck it up, ZOS isn't going to change. The crappy design has been monitized.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, tamerial one was great design. ESO is a darn fun game in many ways.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

arakis99ub17_ESO wrote: »

Want a better auction house, better housing, and/or a much(!!!) better inventory system?

Play swtor.

Otherwise you have to suck it up, ZOS isn't going to change. The crappy design has been monitized.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, tamerial one was great design. ESO is a darn fun game in many ways.

Doesn't say that in the ToS.

6. Availability of Services and Content; Game Maintenance, Patches, Updates; Termination of Services

ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax reserves the right to change and update Content without notice to You.

I think you may have taken part of statement out of context and way too literally. Unless you were kidding, in which case, ha ha.

The problem with utilizing a guild only trader system is that the game is no longer a time sink for the players. The game has shifted to more or less a casual game that requires just a few hours a week instead of a few hours a day to get anywhere and yet the only way to buy things is to run all over the damn world for hours at a time. At minimum they need to put in a central hub that connects all the trader guilds booths with a better UI. Still be in a trader guild to post anything, but at least a person would not have to spend hours going everywhere to find one thing. I hate to mention it, but World of Warcraft still has the best AH that I have ever experienced in any of the MMO's that I have played in the last 12 years, with 9 of those in WoW.

I like that this game rewards patience I literally logged in this morning to get a purple black rose ring for 2 k.

DHale wrote: »

I like that this game rewards patience I literally logged in this morning to get a purple black rose ring for 2 k.

I bet you used TTC for that right?

Auction House or not this game really need some serious improvements of the current vendor npc trading system...
1. Current system lacks search function (search by items name etc.).
2. There is no "global" search tool, so even if you are not in any guild you could just search for a specific item and the game will tell you where you can buy it, so you will not waste time by searching literally every guild trader in every city.
3. Lack of proper trading system for "solo" and small guilds players. The only way is to just spam chat with "WTS xyz" and hope for the best.
4. Inaccessibility of the current trading guild system (I would even dare to say that this system is simply monopolized by like maybe 5 % of players):
It is almost impossible for a small guild to even have a vendor NPC (even in some obscure place) let alone keep the spot for longer period of time. There is also a problem with the "big" trading guilds - that only recruit new members when they have experience in trading. How is someone new supposed to have any experience in trading when the game simply don't give them a chance to see how this trading system works ?

The point is: Make the trading system somehow available for 100% of players (of course with some limitations so the current trading guilds won't lose their position).

New here so take my opinion with a grain of salt. But I can't understand why anyone would be against an AH, with the exception of leaders of trade guilds and their officers. The only mmo I played where the value of items was poor on an AH was DCUO, but that was not because of the AH itself but rather the very, very, very large money glitches that daybreak( formerly SOE ) did little to nothing to correct those who took advantage of. GW2 on the other hand has an AH with buy and sell orders that works great, albeit earning gold in that game is a full time job compared to what I've seen in ESO. But it works well and any undercutting I've witnessed is rather negligible, and I've seen no items lose value as a result. But that game is also set up differently in comparison to ESO.

With ESO's guild trade system, to me, it seems to have had an adverse effect on what IMO MMO's are about, which is unity, making friends and running with a good guild for the sole purpose of doing content. Because of ESO's system though it seems the sole purpose to join a guild, that's entirely revolved around trading, is to sell items which based on what I've seen have added a union due type feature by default( though I know not all trade guilds require dues, lots do).

With all that said, I would like an AH or at the very least a core hub to search all trade guilds, but either way I'll make do.

I hate trade guilds because it encourages merchant syndicates..

I hate auction houses because it makes the wealth spread even more.

But most of all, I hate that I cant camp the *** till they lower their prices.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Most people are busy trying to make efficient builds, pvping, trials, or vma and such.

How do you know what most people do ? Unless you have access to data provided by ZOS, you don't know ut that.
Dungeoning/Raiding/Min-Maxing/Questing are all "finite" activities. Some day you'll be "done with the game's content". Trading/Farming/Socializing on the other end are infinite. That's why we traders/Farmers/Social people are very important to the longevity of the game : because we STAY, even if we've played everything, because we ensure continuity in the game's population, because we're the long term customers. Questers are gone (they might come back with the next piece of content), most raiders have gone (they might be back with the next trial).
Why do you think an MMO designs so much towards grind and completionism ? Because they need people who STAY. That's also why they designed housing as a long-term commitment.

Farming/trading/socializing might not be the meta-game (as you put it) but it's the core of the meta-population. That's another reason why trading needs to remain healthy and fun (via guild traders) and not transformed into a stupid global auction house.

(I left PvP out of the equation because that, too, is an "infinite" activity, but imho not much related to the current argument).

Because I've played a lot of MMOs and I'm pretty sure this is a fact for ESO unless the player base is wildly odd and different. With 8.5 million people, I'm even more sure of this. I don't need the data.

Oh and trials are just as infinite as PvP. So is vma. Leaderboards hello.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Lythandra wrote: »

Both my trading guilds lost their spot this week. Its awesome not being able to sell anything ....

This system they have is just awful. While I do enjoy the game overall, stupid stuff like this will make me leave as soon as a decent new mmo gets released just for something different.

Bye.

You will have to wait until something interesting gets released.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Because I've played a lot of MMOs and I'm pretty sure this is a fact for ESO unless the player base is wildly odd and different. With 8.5 million people, I'm even more sure of this. I don't need the data.

Well, without data, it's just your opinion, not a fact.

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Oh and trials are just as infinite as PvP. So is vma. Leaderboards hello.

Well, look at all the posts in here by top competitive players, complaining about the lack of incentives for leaderboards and the long time gap between new 12-man trial content.
I also see it in the game : competitive trial guilds get more or less deserted between new trials. When in new instance is out, raiders work 7 evenings on it for 4 to 6 months to get 1st clear and best times, after which they get bored and leave. They come back with the next new trial.

VMA ? If it wasn't for the insane-RNG'ed weapon grind, noone would run VMA anymore (except, maybe, Andy.S ;-) ). Source ? This very forum.

Oh , so most of the competetive trial players don't participate in anything else after said accomplishment? Your data to prove this since you don't want to embrace the obvious? They all start playing the trader game because their is nothing else to do? Lmao, your just giving opinions too now.