This game DESPERATELY needs an Auction House of sort!

Cpt_Teemo

Trottz wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

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I much prefer the Guild Trader system, it involves more "work" than an AH does but it is less prone to corruption & control than the AH system is.
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Don't let youself be deluded.There are unpublished add-ons, surveying enough to prevent serious bargain goods.

IE: TTC

Victoria_Marquis

Developers, just put a locked Bid donation gold slot in the guilds bank. Not even the GM can withdraw from it, the gold can only be used for Bidding on trader spots.
This will take out some of the corruption that most trading guilds are having where the gold is being used by guild leaders for personal profits and not using the gold for the best interest of the guild....

Also give a second opinion for small guilds, and those that loose a bid to have a randomly generated wandering merchant. Give every guild that has the minimum requirements and qualifications a trade vender.... End the dictatorship and monopoly and corruption.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

notimetocare

Auction houses suck, plain and simple. They are useful for lazy people, sure, but the average person on ESO can make a ton of gold just playing the trader game. Some people really love this. All an AH does is drive down the value of items by constant undercutting until nothing has value.

Cpt_Teemo

notimetocare wrote: »

Auction houses suck, plain and simple. They are useful for lazy people, sure, but the average person on ESO can make a ton of gold just playing the trader game. Some people really love this. All an AH does is drive down the value of items by constant undercutting until nothing has value.

They don't suck they make the market in game a whole lot better imo, that's why the majority of all MMO's use one. Also it depends what the items are cause even if its rare mats it will still retain value cause people will need them every day as they have been in ESO. Also look at WoW's AH tons of things listed way over the vendor price and they still sell.

SpazzmanNDQ

Hell they could keep the traders system but an option that let's u know that item is being sold cheaper in a different zone(doesn't have to be the exact trader) would be greatly appreciated.

RedWarrior72

Moonfish wrote: »

To put it bluntly: Guild Vendor suck and they dont work. Not only because its hard to find a guild with the items you want - forcing to go all around Tamriel looking for that extra Jazbay Grape. It sucks if you are part of a guild with no Guild Merchant. I have several legendary and useful items in my bank. No way to share with the world. Plus all those crazy taxes and guilding asking money. Like many console players I can spend a lot of time without playing the game, wich means guilds will kick me off.

Why not simply have Auction Houses where every one in Tamriel can freely exchange stuff. If one is too much, you can have one for each faction.
Right now if I cant find what I need from the GV near Elder Wood, [snip] it. I wont go around like an old lady in a giant shopping mall.

[Edit for censor bypassing]

Game really does need one and would benefit greatly from it. But the ones that have the most to lose are the ones that shout the loudest and will say it is not needed when it really is. Why should the entire economy of over a million be controlled tightly by several thousand. Sorry to say, the biggest MMO out there has had one since day one and has been used in economic classes for a teaching tool. Millions of people have used it over the years and millions have benefitted from it. An open AH is not a bad thing except to those that want to run the in game economy.

arakis99ub17_ESO

Want a better auction house, better housing, and/or a much(!!!) better inventory system?

Play swtor.

Otherwise you have to suck it up, ZOS isn't going to change. The crappy design has been monitized.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, tamerial one was great design. ESO is a darn fun game in many ways.

Cpt_Teemo

arakis99ub17_ESO wrote: »

Want a better auction house, better housing, and/or a much(!!!) better inventory system?

Play swtor.

Otherwise you have to suck it up, ZOS isn't going to change. The crappy design has been monitized.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, tamerial one was great design. ESO is a darn fun game in many ways.

Doesn't say that in the ToS.

6. Availability of Services and Content; Game Maintenance, Patches, Updates; Termination of Services

ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax reserves the right to change and update Content without notice to You.

arakis99ub17_ESO

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

arakis99ub17_ESO wrote: »

Want a better auction house, better housing, and/or a much(!!!) better inventory system?

Play swtor.

Otherwise you have to suck it up, ZOS isn't going to change. The crappy design has been monitized.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, tamerial one was great design. ESO is a darn fun game in many ways.

Doesn't say that in the ToS.

6. Availability of Services and Content; Game Maintenance, Patches, Updates; Termination of Services

ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax reserves the right to change and update Content without notice to You.

I think you may have taken part of statement out of context and way too literally. Unless you were kidding, in which case, ha ha.

Lynx7386

Zenimax knows they royally F'd up with the stupid guild trader system, but they refuse to admit that they F'd up out of misplaced pride.

BRogueNZ

I'm not sure why they cant provide a central hub at least.
If people want to visit them all they could, some of the more remote traders would benefit.

Default UI is not the best.. for PC as well but at least there are addons to help there.

Cpt_Teemo

arakis99ub17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

arakis99ub17_ESO wrote: »

Want a better auction house, better housing, and/or a much(!!!) better inventory system?

Play swtor.

Otherwise you have to suck it up, ZOS isn't going to change. The crappy design has been monitized.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, tamerial one was great design. ESO is a darn fun game in many ways.

Doesn't say that in the ToS.

6. Availability of Services and Content; Game Maintenance, Patches, Updates; Termination of Services

ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax reserves the right to change and update Content without notice to You.

I think you may have taken part of statement out of context and way too literally. Unless you were kidding, in which case, ha ha.

out of context, it literally says they have the right to change the gameplay whenever they want and without giving anyone notice about it?

RedWarrior72

The problem with utilizing a guild only trader system is that the game is no longer a time sink for the players. The game has shifted to more or less a casual game that requires just a few hours a week instead of a few hours a day to get anywhere and yet the only way to buy things is to run all over the damn world for hours at a time. At minimum they need to put in a central hub that connects all the trader guilds booths with a better UI. Still be in a trader guild to post anything, but at least a person would not have to spend hours going everywhere to find one thing. I hate to mention it, but World of Warcraft still has the best AH that I have ever experienced in any of the MMO's that I have played in the last 12 years, with 9 of those in WoW.

Sausage

Just add Global AH Search as Thief guild service, works for solo players too, yeah, if you dont want to join a guild, you can use the service.

Btw, tell me if there are no AH guilds, whats the reason to join a guild? It gives good purpose to run and join guilds.

DHale

I like that this game rewards patience I literally logged in this morning to get a purple black rose ring for 2 k.

xboxNA corin6

notimetocare wrote: »

Auction houses suck, plain and simple. They are useful for lazy people, sure, but the average person on ESO can make a ton of gold just playing the trader game. Some people really love this. All an AH does is drive down the value of items by constant undercutting until nothing has value.

Or it just allows you to overprice goods for people who don't want to spend a lot of time trading because trading IS NOT A META GAME yet for some reason their are people who log on just to play the trader and do literally nothing else in game. Then you have to spend time RNGing around trying to find said item the cheapest sitting around in who knows what vendor. Or you can go around swiping things that poor noobs sold to low, then run to your popular vendor and make a screaming buck. The current system rewards players who spend significant time trading and hurts people who don't want to play economics101 in a video game. Most people are busy trying to make efficient builds, pvping, trials, or vma and such.

Cpt_Teemo

DHale wrote: »

I like that this game rewards patience I literally logged in this morning to get a purple black rose ring for 2 k.

I bet you used TTC for that right?

anitajoneb17_ESO

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Most people are busy trying to make efficient builds, pvping, trials, or vma and such.

How do you know what most people do ? Unless you have access to data provided by ZOS, you don't know anything about that.
Dungeoning/Raiding/Min-Maxing/Questing are all "finite" activities. Some day you'll be "done with the game's content". Trading/Farming/Socializing on the other end are infinite. That's why we traders/Farmers/Social people are very important to the longevity of the game : because we STAY, even if we've played everything, because we ensure continuity in the game's population, because we're the long term customers. Questers are gone (they might come back with the next piece of content), most raiders have gone (they might be back with the next trial).
Why do you think an MMO designs so much towards grind and completionism ? Because they need people who STAY. That's also why they designed housing as a long-term commitment.

Farming/trading/socializing might not be the meta-game (as you put it) but it's the core of the meta-population. That's another reason why trading needs to remain healthy and fun (via guild traders) and not transformed into a stupid global auction house.

(I left PvP out of the equation because that, too, is an "infinite" activity, but imho not much related to the current argument).

Tommy_The_Gun

Auction House or not this game really need some serious improvements of the current vendor npc trading system...
1. Current system lacks search function (search by items name etc.).
2. There is no "global" search tool, so even if you are not in any guild you could just search for a specific item and the game will tell you where you can buy it, so you will not waste time by searching literally every guild trader in every city.
3. Lack of proper trading system for "solo" and small guilds players. The only way is to just spam chat with "WTS xyz" and hope for the best.
4. Inaccessibility of the current trading guild system (I would even dare to say that this system is simply monopolized by like maybe 5 % of players):
It is almost impossible for a small guild to even have a vendor NPC (even in some obscure place) let alone keep the spot for longer period of time. There is also a problem with the "big" trading guilds - that only recruit new members when they have experience in trading. How is someone new supposed to have any experience in trading when the game simply don't give them a chance to see how this trading system works ?

The point is: Make the trading system somehow available for 100% of players (of course with some limitations so the current trading guilds won't lose their position).

Lythandra

Both my trading guilds lost their spot this week. Its awesome not being able to sell anything ....

This system they have is just awful. While I do enjoy the game overall, stupid stuff like this will make me leave as soon as a decent new mmo gets released just for something different.

Sylo78

New here so take my opinion with a grain of salt. But I can't understand why anyone would be against an AH, with the exception of leaders of trade guilds and their officers. The only mmo I played where the value of items was poor on an AH was DCUO, but that was not because of the AH itself but rather the very, very, very large money glitches that daybreak( formerly SOE ) did little to nothing to correct those who took advantage of. GW2 on the other hand has an AH with buy and sell orders that works great, albeit earning gold in that game is a full time job compared to what I've seen in ESO. But it works well and any undercutting I've witnessed is rather negligible, and I've seen no items lose value as a result. But that game is also set up differently in comparison to ESO.

With ESO's guild trade system, to me, it seems to have had an adverse effect on what IMO MMO's are about, which is unity, making friends and running with a good guild for the sole purpose of doing content. Because of ESO's system though it seems the sole purpose to join a guild, that's entirely revolved around trading, is to sell items which based on what I've seen have added a union due type feature by default( though I know not all trade guilds require dues, lots do).

With all that said, I would like an AH or at the very least a core hub to search all trade guilds, but either way I'll make do.

Uriel_Nocturne

Lythandra wrote: »

Both my trading guilds lost their spot this week. Its awesome not being able to sell anything ....

This system they have is just awful. While I do enjoy the game overall, stupid stuff like this will make me leave as soon as a decent new mmo gets released just for something different.

Bye.

TheBonesXXX

I hate trade guilds because it encourages merchant syndicates..

I hate auction houses because it makes the wealth spread even more.

But most of all, I hate that I cant camp the *** till they lower their prices.

Callous2208

I agree with everyone here, this system is fantastic and I am rewarded for my effort. AH was in every other mmo I played and they were just terrible. Garbage dumps for lazy people, nothing good to be found at a reasonable price, no money to be made unless you botted or sat around all day sniping and flipping ***, competing against bots or people with more time than you. Love what ZOS has done here, keep it up.

xboxNA corin6

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Most people are busy trying to make efficient builds, pvping, trials, or vma and such.

How do you know what most people do ? Unless you have access to data provided by ZOS, you don't know ut that.
Dungeoning/Raiding/Min-Maxing/Questing are all "finite" activities. Some day you'll be "done with the game's content". Trading/Farming/Socializing on the other end are infinite. That's why we traders/Farmers/Social people are very important to the longevity of the game : because we STAY, even if we've played everything, because we ensure continuity in the game's population, because we're the long term customers. Questers are gone (they might come back with the next piece of content), most raiders have gone (they might be back with the next trial).
Why do you think an MMO designs so much towards grind and completionism ? Because they need people who STAY. That's also why they designed housing as a long-term commitment.

Farming/trading/socializing might not be the meta-game (as you put it) but it's the core of the meta-population. That's another reason why trading needs to remain healthy and fun (via guild traders) and not transformed into a stupid global auction house.

(I left PvP out of the equation because that, too, is an "infinite" activity, but imho not much related to the current argument).

Because I've played a lot of MMOs and I'm pretty sure this is a fact for ESO unless the player base is wildly odd and different. With 8.5 million people, I'm even more sure of this. I don't need the data.

Oh and trials are just as infinite as PvP. So is vma. Leaderboards hello.

DHale

No actually.... pure luck but have been wanting jewelry and have been waiting for people to miss a zero or not care or just mess up.

Lythandra

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Lythandra wrote: »

Both my trading guilds lost their spot this week. Its awesome not being able to sell anything ....

This system they have is just awful. While I do enjoy the game overall, stupid stuff like this will make me leave as soon as a decent new mmo gets released just for something different.

Bye.

You will have to wait until something interesting gets released.

anitajoneb17_ESO

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Because I've played a lot of MMOs and I'm pretty sure this is a fact for ESO unless the player base is wildly odd and different. With 8.5 million people, I'm even more sure of this. I don't need the data.

Well, without data, it's just your opinion, not a fact.

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Oh and trials are just as infinite as PvP. So is vma. Leaderboards hello.

Well, look at all the posts in here by top competitive players, complaining about the lack of incentives for leaderboards and the long time gap between new 12-man trial content.
I also see it in the game : competitive trial guilds get more or less deserted between new trials. When in new instance is out, raiders work 7 evenings on it for 4 to 6 months to get 1st clear and best times, after which they get bored and leave. They come back with the next new trial.

VMA ? If it wasn't for the insane-RNG'ed weapon grind, noone would run VMA anymore (except, maybe, Andy.S ;-) ). Source ? This very forum.

xboxNA corin6

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Because I've played a lot of MMOs and I'm pretty sure this is a fact for ESO unless the player base is wildly odd and different. With 8.5 million people, I'm even more sure of this. I don't need the data.

Well, without data, it's just your opinion, not a fact.

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

Oh and trials are just as infinite as PvP. So is vma. Leaderboards hello.

Well, look at all the posts in here by top competitive players, complaining about the lack of incentives for leaderboards and the long time gap between new 12-man trial content.
I also see it in the game : competitive trial guilds get more or less deserted between new trials. When in new instance is out, raiders work 7 evenings on it for 4 to 6 months to get 1st clear and best times, after which they get bored and leave. They come back with the next new trial.

VMA ? If it wasn't for the insane-RNG'ed weapon grind, noone would run VMA anymore (except, maybe, Andy.S ;-) ). Source ? This very forum.

Oh , so most of the competetive trial players don't participate in anything else after said accomplishment? Your data to prove this since you don't want to embrace the obvious? They all start playing the trader game because their is nothing else to do? Lmao, your just giving opinions too now.

Eloheynu

Hey guys, I thought you might be interested in this addon I released:
Nirn Auction House
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=1768

FEATURES
Nirn Auction House allows you to trade with anyone across all of Nirn with no listing fees or tax
Nirn Auction House is a global auction system, unlike the guild store you will be able to bid on items as well as buyout items.


Auction Buying and Selling Functionality

--Ability to post an auction with only starting bid, no buyout price. (Auction Length: 24 hours)
--Ability to post an auction with starting bid and buyout price. (Auction Length: 7 days)
--Ability to post auction with only a buyout price. (Auction Length: 7 days)

Posting Auctions / Selling Items

- Right click menu to auction items in your inventory(can auction items directly from your inventory, crafting bag, or equipped items)
- Order tracking so you can see all your auctions and status of bids
- Fulfill orders by a click of a button - add-on will automatically send and COD item to the buyer (Items need to be in your inventory!)
- Seller Protection: Buyer can only bid/buyout items if you can afford them (More to come... )

-Elo