it's kind of funny how into the guilds we get. And it's interesting how big some people's egos can be over something that is a game.

MattT1988 wrote: »

It's not like he owns the name. I LOL'd when you said he called it his 'brand'. FFS, a lot of gamers egos are out of control. If your guild likes the name then keep it. Screw what the old leader thinks.

Brand? lol

I think he needs the word 'stupid' branded on his forehead. Given the size of his ego, there should be plenty of space.

Not sure why I would leave my own guild, but to answer your question, no I wouldn't ask them to change the name

I do kind of understand what the guy is thinking, I assume he just worries that without him the guild will become something he doesn't like, and it has his name on it still, so therefore he thinks people will hold him responsible?

I guess it really depends on how much you really own that name.
For instance, my guild Priests of Hircine, contains things that are Elder Scrolls related of course, Hircine is obviously not mine, but the full title is just something I put together. But as an example of what that guy might fear; someone could potentially make "Priests of Hircine" on the American server and make it a guild about selling werewolf bites, which is completely the opposite idea of my guild. You could say this would "damage" the guild's name, but its hardly that important. I would simply state that Priests of Hircine EU is a werewolf guild that believes strongly in only giving free bites, it has nothing to do with that new guild on NA. Simple as that

lordrichter wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

But if every time he goes to a new game, he stops his brand name on the old one, and starts again from scratch (which is different from those guilds that change MMOs on mass from time to time), to me, he is bringing with him a meaningless brand.

I have been in what could be called a "brand" guild. The guild leader swooped in around ESO launch, made a guild with his "brand" and played for maybe a year, then was off to another game. He made no secret about the fact that he would do this. He left the guild in place, using his "brand" as the name, and left no one in charge. Anyone can add a member, but no one can remove one. As one can imagine, such guilds tend to collect people who no longer play the game. Eventually, no one cares to add members, and the guild becomes dormant and invisible.

If your guild does not want to change names, what he needs to do is revoke all officer privileges and just walk away. The guild will die of attrition, over time, and will become invisible. It circumvents the drama going on right now, and still allows the founder to return to the game, clean out the dead guild members stinking up the place, and start again.

Isn't possible to request leadership (from ZOS) of a guild whos leader hasn't been online for some time... Because a similar thing happened to a friend of mine, he was an officer of a guild where the leader had left. And asking ZOS support, they promoted him to leader and he could then revitalize the guild. This was less than half year ago.

I was in the guild too.

It doesn't work like that.

Ojustaboo wrote: »

To be perfectly honest, I find that both delusional and laughable and said so in the discussion thread.

You're correct. It's not his name, not his brand and it's irrelevant if it stays in ESO while he abandons it for another game.

A similar thing in another MMO I play, the guild founder left before I joined then about 1 1/2 years into it, he returned and "assumed" control, started banning and re-ranking people, changing the rules etc. but it's completely unjust. He had his time, he left it, leave it at that. He eventually left again because next to nobody in the guild even knew him, which made his changes even harder to swallow.

I wouldn't insist them to change their name, but I would respect the request of a former guild master to do so if it was something within our possibilities (like, if the guild was small and stuff).

I actually did it in another game, but it wasn't a very friendly situation and we were less than 30 people anyway. Guild master of our RP guild had been away for months, we asked him to step down, he threw a tantrum and killed his character then disbanded the guild and insisted that we shouldn't use the old name when putting the guild back together, and since we were tired of crazy we respected his request.

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

But if I remember correctly the new name will be similar to our old one.

I see this is what they have now decided, but that was not the initial intention before all the discussions took place, in fact when they first asked for name suggestions, they explicitly said it mustn't sound anything like the original name.

I'm just venting a little as the whole thing pissed me off, especially the way the thread particular thread was handled.

Me starting this thread wasn't meaning to get involved discussing the details, it was purely an out of interest request to see what others think about being asked to change the name, as it's something I've never seen before.

So I'm going to take a step back as I'm still a little annoyed

Well after this revelation.......somebody seems to have got hot headed and made a fool of themselves.

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

But if I remember correctly the new name will be similar to our old one.

I see this is what they have now decided, but that was not the initial intention before all the discussions took place, in fact when they first asked for name suggestions, they explicitly said it mustn't sound anything like the original name.

I'm just venting a little as the whole thing pissed me off, especially the way the thread particular thread was handled.

Me starting this thread wasn't meaning to get involved discussing the details, it was purely an out of interest request to see what others think about being asked to change the name, as it's something I've never seen before.

So I'm going to take a step back as I'm still a little annoyed

Well after this revelation.......somebody seems to have got hot headed and made a fool of themselves.

Hehe, no I'm not making myself clear (as usual)

I got pissed off on the guild forum thread as I and a couple of others basically got accused of character assassination of the old guild leader, just because we had a problem with this one issue. And that did really get to me and I ended up leaving the guild because I felt I was being silenced.

I could be the best guild leader in the world, but I could do one thing that is in some other peoples opinions egotistical, and they have a right to say that, and that doesn't mean they are slagging my character as a whole. Trouble is, there's no other way I can look at it, hence when I reply, ego, reality check etc are going to be used, but that is not saying the person was a bad guild leader, it's just me saying on this one issue, its what I think.

My thread on here was not in any way meant to discuss the guild thread topic, I've made sure I didn't mention any names or the guild, it was purely to see what other people thought. I wondered whether as times change, that was a more normal thing to do, and really didn't want to continue any of the actual guild thread chat

My venting comment wasn't meant to mean what I can see it implies. I didn't start this thread to vent my anger.

What I meant was I was pissed off with what happened on the actual thread, and I didn't want to continue it at all in this thread, for two reasons,

1) I was still annoyed about it hence would probably say something I would regret, and

2) I've left the guild so what they do is irrelevant to me, good luck to them and I wish them all the best in the future and I din;t want them named in this guild as they are a good bunch of people and what happened is really irrelevant to my question.

In hindsight I realise that I could have asked the original question without giving the example of what happened in my old guild and looking back, that would have been the more sensible thing to do

I didn't want members of that guild continuing the thread on here where the guild name or members names could slip out, hence that's why I said I was taking a step back.

I have found different peoples opinions on here interesting

Put it to a guild vote and let the majority decide.

I'd respect his wishes and change the guild name to something the community felt was good.

Well, I used to lead a guild for two years. That is HARD WORK and required a lot of time.

But they were nice people and we were happy, so yeah.

Then over the course of time some people left (real life, other games, etc...), new people joined. A new "guild culture" emerged, which I felt increasingly uncomfortable with. (People more interested in builds, numbers, achievements than in other people as humans, to sum it up).

As things became more and more obvious, I chose to give the crown over to someone whom I felt was able to run it in the long-term, with its new "mentality", and left.

Now I regret it. I should have organized for them to create their new guild instead of giving them "mine". I do mind that they use a name and an envelope that *I* created and liked and cared about, for creating a thing that I don't like, that I don't want to be associated with. It doesn't feel right.

I agree that things are bound to change and that I wasn't there to "dictate" a mentality and I accepted that. But using the name (and everything related to it : image, vocal server, website) that I used to be proud of for something that I am not proud of isn't right.

OP, if you have the slightest respect and are even a little bit thankful for what your former Guild Master did for you and your guild, just change the name as he asks.