if you left YOUR full guild, would you ever consider insisting they change their name?

Ojustaboo · February 2017

A guild I' just left, that's been in existence on ESO since the start, is a virtually full guild.

The guild leader has decided to move on to another game and has requested that the new guild leaders change the guild name as it's his brand, his baby and he wants to take his brand to his new game.

As usual, it's just like any forum topic, some people won't hear anything bad said about the ex guild leader, no matter how constructive, while some people tried to reason and got put down (you can guess where I fit in

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Some of the current members insist it's his guild, and everything is thanks to him, therefore we should respect his request,

Many others are saying that they've become attached to the guild name, even greet each other by saying evening "guildname_ians"

I read his reasoning for wanting to keep the guild name, and to me it comes across as someone that really believes his name means something to the rest of the MMO community, when the reality is, it's a great guild, but that's as far as it goes, He's worried if he leaves, and the new leaders move on, as he wont have control, the guild could become something that damages his brand name.

To be perfectly honest, I find that both delusional and laughable and said so in the discussion thread.

There's no other way of putting it than by saying delusional and that he needs a reality check.

Sure he could if he had wanted simply closed down the guild forcing the issue, the new leaders could have asked the members as it's a new beginning whether or not they would like a new name. But to do it for this reason, I just find that very very weird.

I tried to remain polite in the forum, but I and another guy were publicly told off by one of the new guild leaders for giving our views as we spoke as we see it, and apparently it was a character assassination. I got so disheartened at the way one of the new guild leaders were acting to those of us who had spent the time to lay out a thoughtful point of view (not the quick post I'm making now) that I didn't want to be in the guild any more.

I pointed out that while the person who starts a guild, makes the rules etc, it's the members (regular members) that over the years make a guild, while the guild leader has an equal part in that (and yes I do appreciate the extra work involved ruining a guild) , when people join, it's not the guild leader that makes them stay, it's the raid leaders, the members that help them etc etc etc

I wondered what other peoples views are, how they would feel if their guild leader left a full, very active, guild for another game and insisted the name is changed? While it's true he didn't demand it, the way he worded it in his long post about why he should take the name with him, he might as well have.

I also pointed out that if I decided to leave ESO (which I have no intention of doing at the moment) and went to the new game he'#s on, I wouldn't want to join his guild as he might get bored of that game in 6 months and do the same thing.

I come from a background of being in one guild for the entirety of an MMO when possible, I appreciate with the guild system on ESO, many change guilds all the time

I just find it a very very odd request and wondered what other peoples views are?

DRXHarbinger · February 2017

Should have changed the name and then left no?

MattT1988 · February 2017

It's not like he owns the name. I LOL'd when you said he called it his 'brand'. FFS, a lot of gamers egos are out of control. If your guild likes the name then keep it. Screw what the old leader thinks.

Snippit_Thomas · February 2017

Yep he should have changed the name before he left it. Don't see it as a problem, it is the people that make the guild not the name.

Jitterbug · February 2017

I don't mean to be rude, but if it's his name let him keep it. The rest of you will get over it.
To you (the ones who want to keep it) it's just a name. To him it's important.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

I don't mean to be rude, but if it's his name let him keep it. The rest of you will get over it.
To you (the ones who want to keep it) it's just a name. To him it's important.

Thing is, some people heavily invest into a guild, and to them, the guild name is part of their online identity. Something they've been a part of since the game started etc.

For some it's a meaningless name, but for others, they feel the name is just as important as the ex guild leader does.

Jitterbug · February 2017

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I don't mean to be rude, but if it's his name let him keep it. The rest of you will get over it.
To you (the ones who want to keep it) it's just a name. To him it's important.

Thing is, some people heavily invest into a guild, and to them, the guild name is part of their online identity. Something they've been a part of since the game started etc.

For some it's a meaningless name, but for others, they feel the name is just as important as the ex guild leader does.

And I can totally appreciate that. It's still his though.
The best solution for all would be if he could trust the new guild leader to run his baby in a proper way and the guild could have 2 chapters; one in ESO and one in Star Citizen or BDO or whatever

cyberjanet · February 2017

Quite frankly, were I to leave my guild, I would prefer that the guild members keep the original name.

And I agree, he could have changed the name before he left.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

MattT1988 wrote: »

It's not like he owns the name. I LOL'd when you said he called it his 'brand'. FFS, a lot of gamers egos are out of control. If your guild likes the name then keep it. Screw what the old leader thinks.

I agree 100% and this is what I was trying to say on the guild forum, and there is no polite way of saying that, hence I was accused of character assassination.

The old guild leader is still in the guild at present, only announced his intentions and who the new leaders are in the past few days.

Jitterbug · February 2017

cyberjanet wrote: »

Quite frankly, were I to leave my guild, I would prefer that the guild members keep the original name.

Yeah I just realized. What if the dude comes back one day? Wouldn't he want the guild back (and therefore also the name)?

Titansteele · February 2017

There are guild/clan/gaming organisation "Brands" out there, I have no idea if this person has one of them or not. The proper brands have weight and meaning. If he has aspirations to build such a brand then good on him for having goals.

Most people building such a brand would want to leave his brand intact in ESO in the hands of trusted generals as that is how you build a community around the brand and that would have made this argument moot and kept his brand intact.

This boils down to politics, I am glad you did not name the guild in question as that would have been a childish and pathetic attempt to illicit support for a cause that very few people will honesty give a *** about so bravo for you for avoiding that big red circle.

Aeladiir · February 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I don't mean to be rude, but if it's his name let him keep it. The rest of you will get over it.
To you (the ones who want to keep it) it's just a name. To him it's important.

Thing is, some people heavily invest into a guild, and to them, the guild name is part of their online identity. Something they've been a part of since the game started etc.

For some it's a meaningless name, but for others, they feel the name is just as important as the ex guild leader does.

And I can totally appreciate that. It's still his though.
The best solution for all would be if he could trust the new guild leader to run his baby in a proper way and the guild could have 2 chapters; one in ESO and one in Star Citizen or BDO or whatever

It's not his. He left the guild.

Berenhir · February 2017

He should just register his brand as an international brand for video games and video entertainment. That's some hundred dollars or even less and he's good to go. He can force you to use another name then. If it's not that important to him, he will have to endure third party usage.

Slammer99uk · February 2017

I am not looking to bash any individual here, just posting a point of view......

Would you have prefered it if he (yes I know the guild master you are referring to) just disbanded it? It is his guild to do with as he wishes, he accepted you into his guild under his conditions which you were happy to do, no? He gave fair warning and his reasoning behind the changes.

Besides a guild is about the people in it not the name. It's ok for you to be upset about it, what is not ok is to come here soliciting opinions which will not change the outcome. Any discussion should be confined to the guild chat or what ever method they use for communication.

Just saying....

Quaesivi · February 2017

Titansteele wrote: »

There are guild/clan/gaming organisation "Brands" out there, I have no idea if this person has one of them or not. The proper brands have weight and meaning. If he has aspirations to build such a brand then good on him for having goals.

Most people building such a brand would want to leave his brand intact in ESO in the hands of trusted generals as that is how you build a community around the brand and that would have made this argument moot and kept his brand intact.

This boils down to politics, I am glad you did not name the guild in question as that would have been a childish and pathetic attempt to illicit support for a cause that very few people will honesty give a *** about so bravo for you for avoiding that big red circle.

It's not a big organization, apparently he/she/it w/e did it before in another game once before, that "taking" his name when leaving that game. So it is not one of those multi-gaming deals or anything, at all. And the issue here is that apparently, and his words, that they are "best of friends" with the new leader as well, so the issue of not trusting was also a weird thing, all in all it was just a ***** conduct, nothing more, nothing less, and because the new leader is also a friend of his, no member seems to have a say in this, so its all a big bleh.

Frankly though, I was surprised to see this on official forums no less, and for someone to get kicked over it, in fact, shows how horrid the situation is.

FloppyTouch · February 2017

He changes name after he leaves when gone new leader changes it back no issue. Worst would be the name is now gone some pug guild starts up and takes it then how bad would his brand be lol

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Titansteele wrote: »

There are guild/clan/gaming organisation "Brands" out there, I have no idea if this person has one of them or not. The proper brands have weight and meaning. If he has aspirations to build such a brand then good on him for having goals.

Most people building such a brand would want to leave his brand intact in ESO in the hands of trusted generals as that is how you build a community around the brand and that would have made this argument moot and kept his brand intact.

I don't disagree with that. But I do think a brand name isn't much without a product, likewise a product isn't much without a brand name (and a bad product can damage a good brand name)

In other words, IF his guild is as well known in the MMO world as he believes, surely that is only because others have come into contact with the guild members and liked what they saw.

But if every time he goes to a new game, he stops his brand name on the old one, and starts again from scratch (which is different from those guilds that change MMOs on mass from time to time), to me, he is bringing with him a meaningless brand.

Maybe (not saying this is in any way true, just making a point) he was lucky on ESO and the officers he found gelled with each other and the community, and maybe he won't be so lucky to find ones like that in his new game. Of course that's all presumption.

JWKe · February 2017

Well at least he is kind enough to leave and request a name change. What I would've done if I really am that attached to my Brand was just to kick everyone out before leaving.

Jitterbug · February 2017

Aeladiir wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I don't mean to be rude, but if it's his name let him keep it. The rest of you will get over it.
To you (the ones who want to keep it) it's just a name. To him it's important.

Thing is, some people heavily invest into a guild, and to them, the guild name is part of their online identity. Something they've been a part of since the game started etc.

For some it's a meaningless name, but for others, they feel the name is just as important as the ex guild leader does.

And I can totally appreciate that. It's still his though.
The best solution for all would be if he could trust the new guild leader to run his baby in a proper way and the guild could have 2 chapters; one in ESO and one in Star Citizen or BDO or whatever

It's not his. He left the guild.

Yeah, that's a good point.
Also, come to think of it, it seems like whatever was good about the guild is slowly fading because of all the weirdness that followed this incident.
So my new advice (which I have though about for almost 10 seconds) is go "snip it" and leave. Start something new and better. Take all the good people with you.

Wolfkeks · February 2017

Mmh I think I know which guild you're talking about, since I'm in it ^^
Personally I don't really care about the guild name, since it's about the people in it and not the name but I get why many were sad about it. But if I remember correctly the new name will be similar to our old one.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Slammer99uk wrote: »

I am not looking to bash any individual here, just posting a point of view......

Would you have prefered it if he (yes I know the guild master you are referring to) just disbanded it? It is his guild to do with as he wishes, he accepted you into his guild under his conditions which you were happy to do, no? He gave fair warning and his reasoning behind the changes.

Besides a guild is about the people in it not the name. It's ok for you to be upset about it, what is not ok is to come here soliciting opinions which will not change the outcome. Any discussion should be confined to the guild chat or what ever method they use for communication.

Just saying....

Of course I wouldn't have preferred the guild be disbanded.

I just find the whole situation to be totally childish and like many others, I don't agree with his reasoning for wanting the name change.

As for me asking on here, I haven't mentioned the guild in question, I'm not trying to get people to agree with me, tell me I'm right, he's wrong, that is also childish, I'm genuinely interested in what other people think (especially other guild leaders)

I decided to leave the guild last night as I stupidly let the new guild leader get to me, I found his handling of the situation very un professional and felt he was personally having a go at me and others for daring to voice our opinions.

To quote part of a post another poster posted to that leader on theforum AFTER I had left

On first reading it and the overall composure of your post I am left with several views, one being that this was a public dressing down of both Ojustabo and myself. The opening part of your post starts with ‘some of you have provided great feedback’ you then name both Ojustabo and myself and for lack of a better term ‘tell us off’ before finally finishing on a good old fashioned back slapping of a positive comment, thereby reinforcing your point towards Ojustabo and myself.

I suppose me quoting that is also being a little childish, but (and I'm not going to continue the forum discussion here) I'm simply showing you why I left, and that at least one other person also felt they were being picked upon..

If I wanted to solicit opinions, I wouldn't have left the guild and I would have said far far far more than I have.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

He changes name after he leaves when gone new leader changes it back no issue. Worst would be the name is now gone some pug guild starts up and takes it then how bad would his brand be lol

Well this is one of the points I bought up.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

Aeladiir wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I don't mean to be rude, but if it's his name let him keep it. The rest of you will get over it.
To you (the ones who want to keep it) it's just a name. To him it's important.

Thing is, some people heavily invest into a guild, and to them, the guild name is part of their online identity. Something they've been a part of since the game started etc.

For some it's a meaningless name, but for others, they feel the name is just as important as the ex guild leader does.

And I can totally appreciate that. It's still his though.
The best solution for all would be if he could trust the new guild leader to run his baby in a proper way and the guild could have 2 chapters; one in ESO and one in Star Citizen or BDO or whatever

It's not his. He left the guild.

Yeah, that's a good point.
Also, come to think of it, it seems like whatever was good about the guild is slowly fading because of all the weirdness that followed this incident.
So my new advice (which I have though about for almost 10 seconds) is go "snip it" and leave. Start something new and better. Take all the good people with you.

In my leaving comment that was written while I was very annoyed (hence the sarcasm), I did say

I think it's probably better if I leave.

Not sure after all this, I actually want to be associated with the XXXXXXXXXX name anyway as it appears to only represent one person.

The other point is that others have left or taken a break from the guild because of the name change (or because of the various discussions about it), hence the ex leaders request IS damaging the guild

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Wolfkeks wrote: »

But if I remember correctly the new name will be similar to our old one.

I see this is what they have now decided, but that was not the initial intention before all the discussions took place, in fact when they first asked for name suggestions, they explicitly said it mustn't sound anything like the original name.

I'm just venting a little as the whole thing pissed me off, especially the way the thread particular thread was handled.

Me starting this thread wasn't meaning to get involved discussing the details, it was purely an out of interest request to see what others think about being asked to change the name, as it's something I've never seen before.

So I'm going to take a step back as I'm still a little annoyed

azoriangaming · February 2017

i class a guild as a community not just a one man show so no he shouldn't make you change the name if the community doesn't want to, he should just pass responsibilities to someone else to carry on with leader the guild for the better,

also someone says a brand lol this guy is leaving games causing a mess over a name i don't think i'd like to be anywhere near that brand(guild) in any game as when he gets bored of playing the next game he goes to he'll probably do the same again making another mess.

any chance I can get the name of the guild either on here or via pm so I can avoid this guild if i ever move on to other games and see the guild?

Rosveen · February 2017

lol what

A guild is a community, not anyone's personal property. I don't understand this brand logic at all; if he actually created a well-known and respected brand, he'd have trustworthy people he could leave the guild to after he decided to move to other games. That way he'd have a real growing community spanning multiple games. But if there wasn't any officer that could carry on the guild name, then I question the quality of this "brand".

akl77 · February 2017

Change the name by adding a word to the original, problem solved

Danikat · February 2017

I agree with the people who say a guild is all about the people. The name is just a short-hand for that group of people.

The only way a guild could become a recognised "brand" across games is if the same group of people played multiple games together and had a significant impact on the wider community in each of those games.

I've met plenty of guild leaders/members who expect everyone else in the game to know all about their guild and respect them for being part of it but in reality they are at best known to a small subset of the community - for example hardcore PvPers may recognise a guild who won last year's tournament, but PvEers will have never heard of them, but they might know the guild who got the first kill on the new raid boss, or the one who organises an annual Christmas party for the community.

(More often the guilds who expect to be recognised have not done anything to warrant it, they may be very nice people and competent players, they may have all been in the game since day 1 or whatever else, but they have little/no impact on people outside of the guild and so don't draw any more attention than any other guild.)

And even the ones who are notable are only known in the one game. I couldn't name any guild in either MMO I play which also exists in another game. I'm sure there are some but unless you're a member you never hear about them, again because it doesn't matter to anyone except that guild.

All of which means I highly doubt anyone in the guild leaders new guild is going to give two figs whether a guild with the same name exists in ESO or if his new guild has the same name as the old one. Unless the rest of the guild move with him it won't be the same guild no matter what the name is (and if the people do move it would be the same guild, even under a different name). He could use the same name, he could use a totally different one, it won't matter. What's important is what the guild does and the people he attracts to it.

As for the guild in ESO if he's left and handed over leadership it's no longer his and it should be up to the people in the guild what it's called. If they want to keep the name because they're attached to it that's their choice, if they want to change it to reflect the change in leadership that's also their choice.

DurzoBlint13 · February 2017

if it was that important to him that the name is changed he would have done it before he left. He did not. It seems like it was an afterthought and of little importance (my view as well) and therefor the new guild leader or council or leadership in the guild should make the call themselves to keep it or get rid of it. I see no reason to change it if everyone is happy with it.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

akl77 wrote: »

and for someone to get kicked over it, in fact, shows how horrid the situation is.

Not sure if your referring to me or someone else.

Just want to make it clear that I wasn't kicked, I chose to leave.

Although the reason I chose to leave was I felt I was being sort of picked on by one of the new leaders, simply because I had a strong opinion about the issue.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · February 2017

Ojustaboo wrote: »

A guild I' just left, that's been in existence on ESO since the start, is a virtually full guild.

The guild leader has decided to move on to another game and has requested that the new guild leaders change the guild name as it's his brand, his baby and he wants to take his brand to his new game.

As usual, it's just like any forum topic, some people won't hear anything bad said about the ex guild leader, no matter how constructive, while some people tried to reason and got put down (you can guess where I fit in )

Some of the current members insist it's his guild, and everything is thanks to him, therefore we should respect his request,

Many others are saying that they've become attached to the guild name, even greet each other by saying evening "guildname_ians"

I read his reasoning for wanting to keep the guild name, and to me it comes across as someone that really believes his name means something to the rest of the MMO community, when the reality is, it's a great guild, but that's as far as it goes, He's worried if he leaves, and the new leaders move on, as he wont have control, the guild could become something that damages his brand name.

To be perfectly honest, I find that both delusional and laughable and said so in the discussion thread.

There's no other way of putting it than by saying delusional and that he needs a reality check.

Sure he could if he had wanted simply closed down the guild forcing the issue, the new leaders could have asked the members as it's a new beginning whether or not they would like a new name. But to do it for this reason, I just find that very very weird.

I tried to remain polite in the forum, but I and another guy were publicly told off by one of the new guild leaders for giving our views as we spoke as we see it, and apparently it was a character assassination. I got so disheartened at the way one of the new guild leaders were acting to those of us who had spent the time to lay out a thoughtful point of view (not the quick post I'm making now) that I didn't want to be in the guild any more.

I pointed out that while the person who starts a guild, makes the rules etc, it's the members (regular members) that over the years make a guild, while the guild leader has an equal part in that (and yes I do appreciate the extra work involved ruining a guild) , when people join, it's not the guild leader that makes them stay, it's the raid leaders, the members that help them etc etc etc

I wondered what other peoples views are, how they would feel if their guild leader left a full, very active, guild for another game and insisted the name is changed? While it's true he didn't demand it, the way he worded it in his long post about why he should take the name with him, he might as well have.

I also pointed out that if I decided to leave ESO (which I have no intention of doing at the moment) and went to the new game he'#s on, I wouldn't want to join his guild as he might get bored of that game in 6 months and do the same thing.

I come from a background of being in one guild for the entirety of an MMO when possible, I appreciate with the guild system on ESO, many change guilds all the time

I just find it a very very odd request and wondered what other peoples views are?

Just ad an h somewhere in guild name so he wont be able to say i wasnt changed and dont really change it at the same time

Everyone is happy

+he should have canged it before leaving

++ its not is guild anymore