Morrowind had better be amazing ... cos housing is garbage

Balamoor · February 2017

Personally I love housing as do most of my friends...diffrent strokes.

Also I always found it ignorant and rude to say something "had better" be anything as if someone on a gaming forum could offer any consequence other than crying and not purchasing.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

The RNG sucks the fun out of something which could have been so much better.

But ZOS wanted to hurt you at the cash shop, so they didn't care.

Balamoor · February 2017

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I think the art in this game is awesome, the graphics beautiful. But just imagine going to Morrowind the first month of the launch... if I'm lucky to log in (see what happens when you try to log in Reaper's March now), my immersion will be instantly broken by the swarms of hyperactive players jumping, power leveling, dueling, farming and spamming powers and killing Netch just because. Yes I get it, it's a MMO, but what I love about Morrowind is all the opposite.

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And this is why cooperative Rpgs are killing MMO's, if they would ever make a TES game with co-op multiplayer.....you could pretty much kiss goodbye most MMO's. I don't say this lightly I love eso but how public they made everything was a mistake.

Preyfar · February 2017

Turelus wrote: »

You should probably start your ranting post now, you're going to be disappointed by Morrowind and a lot more things in life.

Yeah. I try to tamper my expectations for Morrowind by reminding myself it's NOT an expansion, it's really just a much more expensive DLC.

Illurian · February 2017

Asmael wrote: »

Housing iz amaaaaaaaaazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5R7rq6pK9o

I died approximately 200 times yesterday completing it :')

That looks amazing! Seems like someone's been playing gw2

Preyfar · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Since i dont do group play, Shadows of Hist was pretty useless to me but... not my thing... i never found reason to go into threads just to be telling folks that so... well - maybe until now?

Shadows of the Hist was pretty useless. It added about an hour of a half of content. The dungeons were well designed (with the exception of Xal-Nur) and well thought out, but... yeah. Overall it didn't add too much to the game except for a set which really disrupted PVP.

A nice bonus for ESO Plus, but not something I'd pay for as a standalone.

FerrumnCutem · February 2017

Stop bitching about housing.
If you dont like it, leave it.

Dahveed · February 2017

Mirelurk wrote: »

I've played this game since beta and it's been really rewarding. I've met heaps of great people and am an officer in a great guild that rewards me with friendship, fun times and achievements.

But this housing update makes me feel like I am being used.

Writs were never much fun in the first place, you only ever did them to get stuff.

But this whole Master Writ overlay is so badly implemented that I keep on squaring up at the crease (I'm an Aussie so Yanks can google the meaning of that if they care) ... only to get some [snip] underarm bowling at me.

I have four max level crafters with heaps of motifs etc doing all writs every day since the update ... 17 vouchers total.

That's just b*llshit. there is no sense of reward for effort. No sense that you can work towards something.

It's just a lottery where some random with a toon straight out of Coldharbour can collect an unexpected payout, while people who have put in the time and effort over years get nothing.

The astroturfers will say "RNG is RNG" ... I say it's broken.

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

Wait a minute.

Isn't housing 100% free content?

And you are complaining because your free content doesn't have free content?

SMH.

qsnoopyjr · February 2017

Ya Ya, sure they just made housing and it takes time for them to do more.

Guild Wars 2 made housing recently... It's pretty much perfect right now aka at launch.

ESO, ZoS.... They shoulda bought out EQ Landmark and used that for their housing system. Sure would have cut costs, and time... And have something far superior to anything any MMORPG currently has right now.

EQ Landmark was pretty much for the MMORPG EQ NEXT which never happened and no big company wanted to reap all the hours of coding that they have done to make EQ Landmark as good as an editor as it is.

Ask me... EQ Landmark was better than TES Construction Set for Morrowind, back when Morrowind was the top game out there. Construction Set is miles better than Housing System for ESO. Not to mention how long ago it was made too, and how difficult it was to do coding back in those days than compared today.

Lylith · February 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Lizzrdd wrote: »

OP I agree with your point on how the master writs are working. I have 2 master crafters, and doing the writs daily. I have yet to get a single master writ. But I saw how they are working on the PTS and I say Ill pass. The task to make a gold whatever from said set is just silly. AND then when you turn it in you get what 5 little vouchers??? Nah thanks but no thanks. The system is lame and its a gold sink. Ill happily make do with finding green and blue patterns and make stuff from that. Or sell it.
I feel Morrowind will be pretty good. But this whole game in general is just "pretty good". Im not gonna say this game has anything Epic. Sorry but it just doesnt. I like playing this game and enjoy the hell out of the Elder Scrolls franchise, but epic? No.

You're aware that the Writs were updated based on player feedback right? Not all the writs require Legendary materials now and the vouchers scale on the value of the materials used.

yet some run-of-the-mill-6-voucher writs require a 9 trait crafter.

go figure.

STEVIL · February 2017

Lylith wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lizzrdd wrote: »

OP I agree with your point on how the master writs are working. I have 2 master crafters, and doing the writs daily. I have yet to get a single master writ. But I saw how they are working on the PTS and I say Ill pass. The task to make a gold whatever from said set is just silly. AND then when you turn it in you get what 5 little vouchers??? Nah thanks but no thanks. The system is lame and its a gold sink. Ill happily make do with finding green and blue patterns and make stuff from that. Or sell it.
I feel Morrowind will be pretty good. But this whole game in general is just "pretty good". Im not gonna say this game has anything Epic. Sorry but it just doesnt. I like playing this game and enjoy the hell out of the Elder Scrolls franchise, but epic? No.

You're aware that the Writs were updated based on player feedback right? Not all the writs require Legendary materials now and the vouchers scale on the value of the materials used.

yet some run-of-the-mill-6-voucher writs require a 9 trait crafter.

go figure.

becoming a 9 trait crafter in a given piece is a one time expense/effort... lot different than making each item legendary or nirnhoned. It plays a role but not as much as the per-writ loss in material value or the rarity/difficulty of the motif- it seems to me. That makes sense to me.

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

I think housing is fine, it's got progression, it's got... some utlity, it's got a lot of roleplay potential (we don't get this too often).

I'd be more upset about the months leading up to this update, one tamriel changed the face of the overworld but... besides that? eh

Preyfar · February 2017

svartorn wrote: »

Yeah I'm pretty f***ing tired of the housing update. I have tons of recipes to make all kinds of furniture and nothing to build with. Farmed for 6 hours and got like 10 heartwood and 1 mundane rune. Checked 30+ guild stores and no one is selling anything.

So my multi-million gold house sits empty with a chair in it.

Here's an example of why I'm frustrated. I am not trying to farm Alkahest in any way. I find it absolutely useless. Outside of PVP, poisons have no real benefit to most builds, and yet I'm handed poison mats by the armful. I can't give away. And yet, I am actively trying to farm Heartwood. You see that measly stack? Half of it I purchased. I've been farming it for hours... hell, days at this point. and I've barely managed to scrap together 30.

Is the housing crafting experience only supposed to involve me running from wood node to wood node looking/hoping/praying for Heartwood, @ZOS_GinaBruno?

In fact, in the last 10+ Ruby Wood nodes? Not a single heartwood. Not one.

But I did get...

There's a part of me that feels like I have a higher chance to get the dust than I do even a reasonable amount of Heartwood. Heartwood drop rate is terrible.

But wait, there's more.

I have thousands upon thousands of wood, yet I can't build a single freakin' piece of furniture out of any of it? Really? I could outfit my own personal army with magical staves and shields with the amount of resources I've got stashed away. What makes Heartwood so damn special? Why is it so hard to get? And why is entire housing wood crafting system dependent on a wood resource that's more rare than it is common.

This is silly.

lion9225nub18_ESO · February 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

How I expect Morrowind to play out:

Writing will be good because one of the things ZOS has going for it is it's writing team.

VVardenfell will likely be visually stunning, because the art team is equally as tallented.

The Warden class, from what we've seen, will likely invalidate Templar as healer, cause alot of people to reroll and may in fact make Templar obsolete.

The overland content will likely be easy and fine for what it is and will continue to infuriate the people who want everyone to suffer for their own vindictive need to be better than others.

The raid will likely either be Ultrahard and please raiders, or be moderate and spur on raiders to call for a increase in overland difficulty to compensate.

That's all I really see happening. More push for elitism in the endgame scene and everyone else will come, play, talk about how good it was, leave. Nothings gonna change exept endgame basicly pushing out everyone who dislikes it nowadays and becoming more of a ***.

PS: Homestead was a cash grab and a goldsink. We knew it was going to be. The second I heard housing would be buyable with crowns we knew it was going to be, no matter how much people held out hope. To think otherwise was nieve.

Ya damn company's out trying to make a healthy profit, I mean wtf are they thinking what company in their right mind would try and make money.

STEVIL · February 2017

@Preyfar
"Here's an example of why I'm frustrated. I am not trying to farm Alkahest in any way. I find it absolutely useless. Outside of PVP, poisons have no real benefit to most builds, and yet I'm handed poison mats by the armful. I can't give away. And yet, I am actively trying to farm Heartwood. You see that measly stack? Half of it I purchased. I've been farming it for hours... hell, days at this point. and I've barely managed to scrap together 30."

RE the pic of 7.2k alkies vs 68 heartwood.

To start with... " I can't give away."

if you ask really really really nicely, i am sure someone will post a pic showing that 7.2k of alkie can be sold - not given away - for... time 7... carry the pi... about 21633 gold to any grocer or smith or innkeeper in tamriel. Wait see... there is a pic just two or three posts up that shows this very thing.

if you check guild stores you would find that... hey... heartwood is often there in small numbers at least and sells for maybe what 500g each more or less so thats gonna mean with a short hop or two you can likely turn that 7.2k alkies into maybe 30-50 heartwood depending on how much you choose to shop around.

Secondly, in case you missed it, alkies make expendables - things that need replacing - while the things you craft from heartwood tend to last. now, to be fair, alkies make multiplem things from one alkie and heartwood take multiple woods to make one thing so there are counterbalances in each direction.

thirdly, alkies have been out there and being dropped for how long now? A year? more? heartwood has been out for two weeks?

What was the on hand supply of alkies like two weeks after poisons dropped? What was it going for in stores compared to now?

i have a hunch when housing has been in place for a year we will be seeing larger surpluses of heartwood and much lower sales prices for heartwood and this OMG OMG housing grrr arrrggg farming grinding heartwood vs alkies will be more of a "what did we say that?" kind of chuckle than anything else.

raglau · February 2017

Mirelurk wrote: »

I've played this game since beta and it's been really rewarding. I've met heaps of great people and am an officer in a great guild that rewards me with friendship, fun times and achievements.

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

Putting housing to one side, as it seems to be Marmite - or Vegemite in your case OP - I would set all expectations of Morrowind at the lowest level. The only DLC of any merit that ZOS has released to date, is Wrothgar, which is excellent. TG and DB are pale imitations of their TES brethren, really just cash-ins on the fan's love of those story lines in TES rather than properly fleshed out experiences. And SotH, well, let's just say I've laid things in the lavatory the night after a prawn phall that were more appealing than SotH.

Yes, ZOS may pull Morrowind off a'la Wrothgar, but many signs to date are it's just another cash-in on fan love for a TES milestone.

So don't get your hopes up just yet, you may well find you'd rather be spending months on end farming heartwood so you can make a footstool.

Tannus15 · February 2017

jaye63 wrote: »

Take the housing writs out of the RNG loot tables for daily crafting and put them on the writ boards. Problem solved.

They also need to make writ vouchers account wide

Tannus15 · February 2017

Pibbles wrote: »

Mirelurk wrote: »

I've played this game since beta and it's been really rewarding. I've met heaps of great people and am an officer in a great guild that rewards me with friendship, fun times and achievements.

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

Putting housing to one side, as it seems to be Marmite - or Vegemite in your case OP - I would set all expectations of Morrowind at the lowest level. The only DLC of any merit that ZOS has released to date, is Wrothgar, which is excellent. TG and DB are pale imitations of their TES brethren, really just cash-ins on the fan's love of those story lines in TES rather than properly fleshed out experiences. And SotH, well, let's just say I've laid things in the lavatory the night after a prawn phall that were more appealing than SotH.

Yes, ZOS may pull Morrowind off a'la Wrothgar, but many signs to date are it's just another cash-in on fan love for a TES milestone.

So don't get your hopes up just yet, you may well find you'd rather be spending months on end farming heartwood so you can make a footstool.

Actually, I think darkbrotherhood and thieves guild are pretty damn good, but a lot of their effort was put into integrating the justice system to the larger game.
Thieves troves, lock boxes, killable and pick pocketable npcs, guards and bounties, there is a lot of work just adding this content, plus all the outlaw havens etc. The hours spent on the integration must have been huge.

Wrothgar on the other hand was a very tight, single zone expansion. It allowed ZoS to focus on what they do best, world building and story telling.
I think we can all agree that Zenimax's strongest area is their art and story, their weakest PvP balance and their misplaced belief that endgame == grind.

I genuinely feel Morrowind will be really good. It's going to looks amazing, capture the "feel" of the place and have a really great main quest line.

I also feel the forums will be full of people complaining about the new class and how it has "upset the balance", about how difficult it is to get X item from Y location even after doing the content 200+ times.

Then everyone will be looking for a way to blame the crown store for it all and claim it's all a cash grab, even though the RNG drop system for ESO has been largely unchanged since launch. These guys have ALWAYS loved making us grind for ***. Like cp160 gear requiring 10x as many mats as cp150.
They can't help themselves. Once you've done the new content in Morrowind they will be relying on daily, repeatable quests to get whatever carrot (probably morag tong motifs) they come up with. It's how they think.

Preyfar · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

f you check guild stores you would find that... hey... heartwood is often there in small numbers at least and sells for maybe what 500g each more or less so thats gonna mean with a short hop or two you can likely turn that 7.2k alkies into maybe 30-50 heartwood depending on how much you choose to shop around.

I spent about an hour earlier trying to find Heartwood, and I can't find it on guild stores for under 1,000g per. And I seem to get about 5/6 per hour farming it. It just doesn't drop nearly as much as it should.

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2017

Apples and oranges. If housing in crap, you havent lost any money, its free content. Morrowind is 4 montha away and we all know Orsinium was/is amazing.

[Edit to remove flaming]

STEVIL · February 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

f you check guild stores you would find that... hey... heartwood is often there in small numbers at least and sells for maybe what 500g each more or less so thats gonna mean with a short hop or two you can likely turn that 7.2k alkies into maybe 30-50 heartwood depending on how much you choose to shop around.

I spent about an hour earlier trying to find Heartwood, and I can't find it on guild stores for under 1,000g per. And I seem to get about 5/6 per hour farming it. It just doesn't drop nearly as much as it should.

ok so there you go - thats 21 additional ones from your vendors (give or take) for your useless alkies..

Sinthrax · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Sinthrax wrote: »

TO ME. To, ME. Housing in garbage. However, I just dont participate. The end.

Ok.

Since i dont do group play, Shadows of Hist was pretty useless to me but... not my thing... i never found reason to go into threads just to be telling folks that so... well - maybe until now?

thanks.

Do as I said. Don't participate. You people never seem to surprise me. My point was to the OP that if he dont like it dont participate in that part of the game. But somehow you come here thinking somehow I am talking to you and attacking your part of the game. Did I trigger you?

thanks.

Sinthrax · February 2017

lion9225nub18_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

How I expect Morrowind to play out:

Writing will be good because one of the things ZOS has going for it is it's writing team.

VVardenfell will likely be visually stunning, because the art team is equally as tallented.

The Warden class, from what we've seen, will likely invalidate Templar as healer, cause alot of people to reroll and may in fact make Templar obsolete.

The overland content will likely be easy and fine for what it is and will continue to infuriate the people who want everyone to suffer for their own vindictive need to be better than others.

The raid will likely either be Ultrahard and please raiders, or be moderate and spur on raiders to call for a increase in overland difficulty to compensate.

That's all I really see happening. More push for elitism in the endgame scene and everyone else will come, play, talk about how good it was, leave. Nothings gonna change exept endgame basicly pushing out everyone who dislikes it nowadays and becoming more of a ***.

PS: Homestead was a cash grab and a goldsink. We knew it was going to be. The second I heard housing would be buyable with crowns we knew it was going to be, no matter how much people held out hope. To think otherwise was nieve.

Ya damn company's out trying to make a healthy profit, I mean wtf are they thinking what company in their right mind would try and make money.

I wish people would have thought like this when there was a simple sub without all this B2P crown store garbage.

SnubbS · February 2017

Morrowind is going to be good simply because of the new class.

Preyfar · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

f you check guild stores you would find that... hey... heartwood is often there in small numbers at least and sells for maybe what 500g each more or less so thats gonna mean with a short hop or two you can likely turn that 7.2k alkies into maybe 30-50 heartwood depending on how much you choose to shop around.

I spent about an hour earlier trying to find Heartwood, and I can't find it on guild stores for under 1,000g per. And I seem to get about 5/6 per hour farming it. It just doesn't drop nearly as much as it should.

ok so there you go - thats 21 additional ones from your vendors (give or take) for your useless alkies..

I disagree. I vehemently disagree that a drop rate where I may get 5-6 heartwood per hour when actively trying to farm it is in any way good.

I can farm 150-200 raw wood in that time, but only a handful of heartwood. I'm a hardcore player and I'm having a hard time trying to farm the mats, I can't imagine what the casual players are dealing with. Yeah, yeah, I keep being told "in a year from now all the mats will be cheap as can be. That's terrible advice. I can deal with the blueprints being expense, but farming the mats is such a ridiculous chore.

I'd have zero complaints if they dropped from crafting surveys, but ZOS decided that shouldn't be a thing.

Franieck · February 2017

Agree with OP. This update was the bitterest disappointment.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2017

Best thing any one can do is not over hype themselves over Morrowind, it will be ok given zos's track record I am only expecting mediocre content and game play, that way in the unlikely event it is better than expected then woot bonus

jircris11 · February 2017

Mirelurk wrote: »

I've played this game since beta and it's been really rewarding. I've met heaps of great people and am an officer in a great guild that rewards me with friendship, fun times and achievements.

But this housing update makes me feel like I am being used.

Writs were never much fun in the first place, you only ever did them to get stuff.

But this whole Master Writ overlay is so badly implemented that I keep on squaring up at the crease (I'm an Aussie so Yanks can google the meaning of that if they care) ... only to get some [snip] underarm bowling at me.

I have four max level crafters with heaps of motifs etc doing all writs every day since the update ... 17 vouchers total.

That's just b*llshit. there is no sense of reward for effort. No sense that you can work towards something.

It's just a lottery where some random with a toon straight out of Coldharbour can collect an unexpected payout, while people who have put in the time and effort over years get nothing.

The astroturfers will say "RNG is RNG" ... I say it's broken.

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

add on vs expansion. you cant compare them honestly. besides as you mentioned you have "better things to do:" if that is the case then go do them and stop complaining or acting as if you could do better. No one is forcing you to stay here and your measly 1 sub means crap to ZoS. I don't care if i get hate im tired of hearing people complain about stuff they have no experience in and no control over as if they are some entitled kid.

S1ipperyJim · February 2017

Lizzrdd wrote: »

OP I agree with your point on how the master writs are working. I have 2 master crafters, and doing the writs daily. I have yet to get a single master writ. But I saw how they are working on the PTS and I say Ill pass. The task to make a gold whatever from said set is just silly. AND then when you turn it in you get what 5 little vouchers???

In my experience its not that bad. Any gold writs (at least the blacksmithing ones) give a LOT of vouchers - usually around 60-80. It's the easy writs like for purple food that give 2-6 vouchers. I got enough vouchers to craft a target skeleton within a week, for me any quicker than that is simply too easy. And I only have one character that does all crafting writs, three others that do one writ each. The problem is people who want everything instantly. Be patient, it's not that bad.

Preyfar · February 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

add on vs expansion. you cant compare them honestly. besides as you mentioned you have "better things to do:" if that is the case then go do them and stop complaining or acting as if you could do better. No one is forcing you to stay here and your measly 1 sub means crap to ZoS. I don't care if i get hate im tired of hearing people complain about stuff they have no experience in and no control over as if they are some entitled kid.

It's not even an expansion. It's a "chapter" -- a fancy name for DLC that they've decided to sell on the shelf. Other than the new class, there's nothing to show this as being any more in-depth or greater than what we got with Wrothgar (except, of course, for a much higher price tag).