Morrowind had better be amazing ... cos housing is garbage

drakhan2002_ESO · February 2017

Here's how you can foresee the future...

...based on every past implementation of new content by ZOS...think about how it made you feel. Now you know if it will be amazing or not; after all it is subjective to the individual.

MadLarkin · February 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

I love housing, people need to calm down abit from thinking they will have a full interior made house in one day, Rome werent build in a day u know....

Housing is meant to be a progress, and I love that I can see my house slowly coming alive

Its not about speed, its about resources spent vs. reward/progress. It is significantly unbalanced. I don't care if getting a house together takes a long time, as long as I can reliably make progress. This is a frustratingly unreliable system, and it is so by design, because why grind into oblivion when everything is neatly packaged for a hefty sum on the crown store?

Lizzrdd · February 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Lizzrdd wrote: »

OP I agree with your point on how the master writs are working. I have 2 master crafters, and doing the writs daily. I have yet to get a single master writ. But I saw how they are working on the PTS and I say Ill pass. The task to make a gold whatever from said set is just silly. AND then when you turn it in you get what 5 little vouchers??? Nah thanks but no thanks. The system is lame and its a gold sink. Ill happily make do with finding green and blue patterns and make stuff from that. Or sell it.
I feel Morrowind will be pretty good. But this whole game in general is just "pretty good". Im not gonna say this game has anything Epic. Sorry but it just doesnt. I like playing this game and enjoy the hell out of the Elder Scrolls franchise, but epic? No.

You're aware that the Writs were updated based on player feedback right? Not all the writs require Legendary materials now and the vouchers scale on the value of the materials used.

I wasnt aware of the change, and how could I have been since I havent gotten a master writ yet as I had stated in my original post.
This still doesnt address or acknowledge the OP and the point they were trying to make. I understand that the devs dont want you to have everything at once, they want you to play the game. But having to grind for EVERYTHING to the smallest item is a little overboard.

Lizzrdd · February 2017

Gedalya wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

I love housing, people need to calm down abit from thinking they will have a full interior made house in one day, Rome werent build in a day u know....

Housing is meant to be a progress, and I love that I can see my house slowly coming alive

I've made this same comment in other thread(s); it has been my general opinion that in many cases the problem is player's expecting a fully furnished fortress or palace within a week if not a few hours. I'm honestly tired of listening to these complaints. If you are not interested in the Housing system: get over it; it is not in any way possible to completely satisfy every single player with new content. Many of us are happy with the new housing system; if anything I for one want more extending the functionality of the housing system to include storage and things like weapon and armor racks.

I like this idea. I want to display my stuffs that I cant use but it took some serious effort to obtain. Like what if you collect monster helm sets? I do is why I ask. Wouldnt it be cool to have some kind of armor display rack to show those off? Im sure we all have those things in the bank. Those items we got in dungeons or raids that have no use to our builds, but it was such a pain in the you know what to finish it when you got them you just dont have the heart to decon or vendor. It would be cool to have a display for that...

Cronopoly · February 2017

They've given you options, pay cold hard cash or work for it with RNG.

As always the Cash option is so greased lightning in effort, all you have to do is open your wallet.
The RNG methods is painful and full of long effort with sparse rewards. Did it start this way? No let me tell you why. some know that others can be game addicted and short sighted if the continued carrot is sweet enough.

Surprised you are herded to the Cash shop? Don't be. Please pay attention.

Mcdonalds core business turned out to be Real Estate.
Facebook, is Advertising
Google search is also Advertising
Youtube's core business is not providing videos, it's main objective from the start was 5%ing people into the online video model so painlessly that they hardly rejected it at all when the frog started to boil...(pushed Advertising)

What do you think Zos model is? Your fair gaming enjoyment alone? Somebean counter is driving a new BMW for sure.

I'll stop here as I like the basic game, and the Creative Content team greatly. Excessive 360-1 RNG odds not so much in dungeons.

jaye63 · February 2017

Take the housing writs out of the RNG loot tables for daily crafting and put them on the writ boards. Problem solved.

Loves_guars · February 2017

Castagere wrote: »

As far as Morrowind goes it will be nothing like the Morrowind game. No slit strider transport and no ash storms. The land is supposed to be a harsh and rugged place to be. The storms gave it character. So instead when you walk up the stairs in Balmora where the strider was you will find a wayshrine and it will always be sunny .

We all love old Morrowind, the immersion in this game was everything, the music, the sounds and every detail in the world. I fear that ESO won't get close to portrait all that.

Don't get me wrong, I think the art in this game is awesome, the graphics beautiful. But just imagine going to Morrowind the first month of the launch... if I'm lucky to log in (see what happens when you try to log in Reaper's March now), my immersion will be instantly broken by the swarms of hyperactive players jumping, power leveling, dueling, farming and spamming powers and killing Netch just because. Yes I get it, it's a MMO, but what I love about Morrowind is all the opposite.

Add this to the RNG huge problem that this game has now.
So yeah, I still don't know if I should buy Morrowind, I'm getting tired of all the grind. They should start moving to tokens system ASAP.

Iluvrien · February 2017

Castagere wrote: »

The community is getting worse as the game grows more popular. Just look at group content. Its controlled by elitist morons the will kick you if you don't play their way. Heck now they will kick you if your not the race they feel you should be for the class. Heck i never even heard of that one before.

Really? Because it was predicted in some of the many threads calling for race change. Heck, my most recent comment on the subject was made predicting exactly that kind of behaviour last June, over 7 months ago. To find the first comments predicting this you would have to go back to 2014 when people started mooting the idea of adding Race Change to the game.

qsnoopyjr · February 2017

Asmael wrote: »

Housing iz amaaaaaaaaazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5R7rq6pK9o

I died approximately 200 times yesterday completing it :')

Wow,
I just came from GW2, there was no housing system...

Seems like both housing systems came at same time.
Looking at that video and comparing to ESO housing...

We all can agree who the real winners of Next Gen housing is.
Few can agree housing from 10+ years ago is better than Next Gen housing too.

Bravo GW2, BRAVO.

STEVIL · February 2017

Mirelurk wrote: »

I've played this game since beta and it's been really rewarding. I've met heaps of great people and am an officer in a great guild that rewards me with friendship, fun times and achievements.

But this housing update makes me feel like I am being used.

Writs were never much fun in the first place, you only ever did them to get stuff.

But this whole Master Writ overlay is so badly implemented that I keep on squaring up at the crease (I'm an Aussie so Yanks can google the meaning of that if they care) ... only to get some [snip] underarm bowling at me.

I have four max level crafters with heaps of motifs etc doing all writs every day since the update ... 17 vouchers total.

That's just b*llshit. there is no sense of reward for effort. No sense that you can work towards something.

It's just a lottery where some random with a toon straight out of Coldharbour can collect an unexpected payout, while people who have put in the time and effort over years get nothing.

The astroturfers will say "RNG is RNG" ... I say it's broken.

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

Ok first - slow progress is the very definition of "working towards something" its just not the same kind of pace as 955 or more of the rest of the game. they finally added a slow-progression content. You wont be done in a month. no speed runs to the quest end in sic hours shown on youtube 12 hours after purchase.

in 11 days, i have gotten seven crafting stations bought with 245 vouchers plus another 60ish vouchers in waiting to be spent and another 80ish vouchers sitting as writs waiting for the deadly strike fix. But then i have 12 master level crafters able to run 35 tier-10 writs a day and a ton of their achievements met - so - i can see the scale at a different perspective. I wont be out of things to do with this even by morrowind - much less next week.

R1ckyDaMan · February 2017

The housing update is not that bad.

Then again I am not focusing on the house I bought as it has no practical use really, I am just collecting stuff as I play the game, if I get a nice table blueprint I like then cool, but in no way am I grinding for any of it.

Out of curiosity, what can master writs give you that you cannot get anywhere else?

STEVIL · February 2017

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

The housing update is not that bad.

Then again I am not focusing on the house I bought as it has no practical use really, I am just collecting stuff as I play the game, if I get a nice table blueprint I like then cool, but in no way am I grinding for any of it.

Out of curiosity, what can master writs give you that you cannot get anywhere else?

Well since i believe the stuff from voucher buys can be sold in guild stores and much of it is available from crowns - the technical answer may be "not much." just let someone else create it and then buy it from them or pay real cashey money.

But if you restrict it to "get for yourself in game" then you have targetting dummies, targetting dummy plans, crafting stations, attunable stations and i believe the motif is unique as well. not sure about the special ambrosia thing i think its voucher exclusive but not certain.

A variety of furnishings and plans in gold are there - might be exclusive or if not exclusive - quite rare.

GreenhaloX · February 2017

Yes, there are so much hype with folks on console (PS4 zone chats) about it that lots "can't wait" till released, in a few a days. I wonder how interesting the reactions (zone chat and on this forum) will be, following release for PS4.

svartorn · February 2017

Yeah I'm pretty f***ing tired of the housing update. I have tons of recipes to make all kinds of furniture and nothing to build with. Farmed for 6 hours and got like 10 heartwood and 1 mundane rune. Checked 30+ guild stores and no one is selling anything.

So my multi-million gold house sits empty with a chair in it.

Riggsy · February 2017

Master writ drop rate is abysmal but worse is the fact that you cant get writ materials from completing regualr writs or harvesting their survey nodes.

Woeler · February 2017

Nah, housing is cool.

Soella · February 2017

I believe people when they are saying they got 0-2 writs doing daily 6 writs (~50 rolls). Yeah, pretty bad RNG but possible. I wish they got better RNG tomorrow.

But I have hard time to believe that 6 hours of farming - it should be at least 700-800 nodes, normally 1000-1500 nodes - did not show more or less close to average (10%+) chance on RNG. I'd say something should be change in farming habits.

kongkim · February 2017

Soo much QQ here my feet gets wet :S

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

I love housing, people need to calm down abit from thinking they will have a full interior made house in one day, Rome werent build in a day u know....

Housing is meant to be a progress, and I love that I can see my house slowly coming alive

No housing was meant to be a cashgrab. Just because youre happy with it doesnt mean everyone else has to be as well.Telling people to calm down does NOTHING but cause arguments.

WalkingLegacy · February 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

I love housing, people need to calm down abit from thinking they will have a full interior made house in one day, Rome werent build in a day u know....

Housing is meant to be a progress, and I love that I can see my house slowly coming alive

This game has been in development longer than a day I believe.

People that love housing need to calm down, not everyone cares for fluff crown store stuff. There are some of us out there that will never buy a house. This content was for house people. Which is great - but you all are being milked hardcore with the update

After reading more into Morrowind - looks like another attempt at ZOS to milk more money out of the TES fans. Hoping for great, expecting the worse.

Jeremy · February 2017

Mirelurk wrote: »

I've played this game since beta and it's been really rewarding. I've met heaps of great people and am an officer in a great guild that rewards me with friendship, fun times and achievements.

But this housing update makes me feel like I am being used.

Writs were never much fun in the first place, you only ever did them to get stuff.

But this whole Master Writ overlay is so badly implemented that I keep on squaring up at the crease (I'm an Aussie so Yanks can google the meaning of that if they care) ... only to get some [snip] underarm bowling at me.

I have four max level crafters with heaps of motifs etc doing all writs every day since the update ... 17 vouchers total.

That's just b*llshit. there is no sense of reward for effort. No sense that you can work towards something.

It's just a lottery where some random with a toon straight out of Coldharbour can collect an unexpected payout, while people who have put in the time and effort over years get nothing.

The astroturfers will say "RNG is RNG" ... I say it's broken.

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

I used to not bother with writs. Now I do them. So I would say Writs are more rewarding now then they were previous to Homestead. But I have even less vouchers than you. So I can certainly relate to your aggravation with the luck-based system.

Over-all, I would say that Homestead failed to live up to expectations. But it's still a positive installment to the game. Hopefully they will improve upon it as time continues.

AmakarGranaen · February 2017

Mirelurk wrote: »

I'm prepared to stick it out until Morrowind. But if you underdeliver again ZOS, I've got better things to do with my time (and my sub money).

Indeed.

https://youtu.be/zZ3GA6dazTA?t=3m50s

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Ok first - slow progress is the very definition of "working towards something"

No, it really isn't.

Working towards something occurs whenever progress is made in the direction of the desired goal - the speed of that transition has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do the "very definition" of it.

In fact when your boss/employer sets you a goal if you are only ever making "slow progress" towards it the chances are you'll be looking for a new job.

All The Best

Kalante · February 2017

This update is worse than thieves guild.

STEVIL · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Ok first - slow progress is the very definition of "working towards something"

No, it really isn't.

Working towards something occurs whenever progress is made in the direction of the desired goal - the speed of that transition has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do the "very definition" of it.

In fact when your boss/employer sets you a goal if you are only ever making "slow progress" towards it the chances are you'll be looking for a new job.

All The Best

Well to be fair though - as explained in the parts of the post you left out - since so much of thr rest of the game is more akin to instant rewards as in very quickly done and rewards paid out - the point is valid.

this content is unlike most of the other content in the game. It is set at a much slower progress so that you are indeed "working towards something" as opposed to "did it and done" payouts.

That is one of the things that sets it apart and that doesn't seem to be by accident.

more to the point the pace is left to the player.

there are a friggin' ton of goods and furnishing available in vendors around the zones for relatively small amounts of gold. Go check how many tables and chairs and stools and flowers and so on you can buy for values where you can get lots for the price of even one gold temper or resin.

Comparing the "availability" of "furnishings" and their expense to the ability to make and craft even one cp160 worth using cuirass, that whole "progress to reward" for crafting goes right out the window - especially when one pays attention to the time spent to learn traits.

The difference is - for the cuirass - that trait time spent was long ago done. those mats are already sitting in our inventory, etc. - and so by now we are used to extremely quick rewards for crafting. Run 6 daily writs in under ten minutes, takes longer to travel to the crafting station than to make the gear. etc.

The current furnishing system is very accessible for most anyone who doesn't choose to restrict their own access. A combination of harvesting (not dedicated farming or grinding), NPC vendors for reasonable gold expenditures supplemented by guild stores allows for constant constant daily progress at a very substantial pace - just not as fast a to the pace that the majority of the other stuff has especially after all the gathering and learning has been completed sufficiently long ago.

Do folks not remember what recipe gathering for provisioning was like in the "good old days" if one decided "no guild stores no NPC vendor buys"?

i get that for some faster faster more now now should be the norm and is the best way for everything to be presented or available - but you know sometimes a little foreplay is good too before one gets to the rewards payout.

i know i get a tingly feeling when after a delve now (where i take a few mins to open containers for the first time in a long long time) i see a new diagram or plan in my inventory.

Huyen · February 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

I love housing, people need to calm down abit from thinking they will have a full interior made house in one day, Rome werent build in a day u know....

Housing is meant to be a progress, and I love that I can see my house slowly coming alive

I think you mean Rome wasnt build in one day. Rome is a city, not a person ya know...

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

more to the point the pace is left to the player.

No.

The pace is left to the whims of RNG - an my guess is ZOS are using an RNG algorithm that allows them to tweak the frequency of payouts dynamically.

So in reality the "pace" is set to whatever ZOS want it, and the player has little to no input.

All The Best

STEVIL · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

more to the point the pace is left to the player.

No.

The pace is left to the whims of RNG - an my guess is ZOS are using an RNG algorithm that allows them to tweak the frequency of payouts dynamically.

So in reality the "pace" is set to whatever ZOS want it, and the player has little to no input.

All The Best

No, just no. ZOS and its RNG drops can only influence the rates at which things flow into the game world. Since they cannot control how many players harvest those nodes, they cannot control the flow. the most dramatic thing they could do for "control" is to shut it off at a certain point if too many were harvested over a given time.

But the rate of flow into the world of X is a vastly different thing than the availability and pace with which a given player can acquire X which is more than anything else governed by the player decisions.

this is especially true since zos did provides non-drop-rate npc vendors in so many places and there are many guild store options available. With the numbers of players and the rates zos has been showing us so far, the idea that the player has "little to no input" in the pace of their progress is close to #altfacts level of denial.

if a player chooses to limit themselves to only things they craft in furnishing their home, their rate of progress will be extremely slow by comparison to those who dont and use guild stores and npc vendors to gather completed furnishings.
if a player doing the above also decides to limit themselves only to mats/patterns they gather themselves, they will even more dramatically slow their progress compared to those who choose to use the guild stores to supplement or even as the mainstay for their mats and plans acquisition and they will be vastly slower than those who use those options for both furnishings and mats/plans.

that is world's away from " the player has little to no input" as far as the pace of progress.

have you even been to guild stores looking at the numbers of furnishing, mats and plan available?
have you done any rounds to the plethora of NPC vendors selling unlimited numbers of completed furnishings?

if so i cant imagine how you could conclude the pace of progress in housing/furnishing is one where " the player has little to no input."

#altfacts

EDIT for clarity

Sinthrax · February 2017

TO ME. To, ME. Housing in garbage. However, I just dont participate. The end.

STEVIL · February 2017

Sinthrax wrote: »

TO ME. To, ME. Housing in garbage. However, I just dont participate. The end.

Ok.

Since i dont do group play, Shadows of Hist was pretty useless to me but... not my thing... i never found reason to go into threads just to be telling folks that so... well - maybe until now?

thanks.