200k AP/H sitting afk at BB mine

Ahzek · February 2017

Hey people, ill be gone from my PC for a week or two and thus wont be able to play ESO, could you be so kind and get some more drama rolling ? Maybe even make some vids about each other ?
Would be awesome

Jaybe_Mawfaka · February 2017

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

This topic is the best one to read when afk at outpost

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Krazzt, you like my style btw ?

It's full Ebony. I guess roleplaying does pay off after all.

10/10

Chair · February 2017

Dis thread is a gud thread.

Valencer · February 2017

Think it's fair to say outpost/keep/resource AP is working as intended at this point, since they didnt change anything during this week's maintenance.

Feeling kind of sorry for all the grand overlords who got their title reduced to total meaninglessness.

Rin_Senya · February 2017

Wasn't Great Darkelf fist EU GO tho? I remember only doggy and him were fighting back in those days for this title when Abraxus wasn't even close >_>
@themdogesbite help

Glamdring · February 2017

I just want the dyes, Who care about titles anyways?

Chair · February 2017

Glamdring wrote: »

I just want the dyes, Who care about titles anyways?

Stay away from my sexy dyes!

Sanct16 · February 2017

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Wasn't Great Darkelf fist EU GO tho? I remember only doggy and him were fighting back in those days for this title when Abraxus wasn't even close >_>
@themdogesbite help

Abraxus was first to 50. doggy and great-dark-elf didn't bother getting 50 after they got 49.

Aiphaton · February 2017

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..

Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.

Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?

Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.

Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?

At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

KisoValley · February 2017

Aiphaton wrote: »

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..
Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.
Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?
Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.
Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?
At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

Smh

covenant_merchant · February 2017

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

This topic is the best one to read when afk at outpost

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Krazzt, you like my style btw ?

It's full Ebony. I guess roleplaying does pay off after all.

10/10

Aww thanks

Doesn't it look like the Skyrim Vampire Dawnguard outfits? On that Selene vamp, or whatever her name was.

Sanct16 · February 2017

Aiphaton wrote: »

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..
Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.
Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?
Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.
Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?
At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

Your argumentation skills are about as good as your quoting skills...

pjwb16_ESO · February 2017

KisoValley wrote: »

Aiphaton wrote: »

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..
Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.
Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?
Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.
Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?
At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

Smh

Wanna buy some RP kiso?

we can rp some lovely get into keeps stuff with dks and stuff

Lakeh · February 2017

Aiphaton wrote: »

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..
Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.
Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?
Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.
Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?
At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

I honestly did think better off you aspirion. This is sad.

pjwb16_ESO · February 2017

Faluza wrote: »

Aiphaton wrote: »

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..
Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.
Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?
Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.
Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?
At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

I honestly did think better off you aspirion. This is sad.

Everyone who gets above a certain skill level is getting arrogant, sarcastic, disrespectful, elitistic and judges others based on stuff... No one is innocent and everyone is an ***

Syrana · February 2017

oh wow..

pjwb16_ESO · February 2017

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Faluza wrote: »

Aiphaton wrote: »

If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.

Pls
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars. Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion. Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen. I can understand some people might call me a hypocrite but I can't do more than being honest about it. If people believe me or not is up to them. At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Well you really think I would have started this thread if I cared about getting AP? I have a Grand Overlord and over 30 million AP in my inventory across my chars.

First of all you do... You are prob now one of the person which are salty that other players get your high rewarded Grand Whatever
Second you trying here to make an excuse with the sentence i have that amount of Ap , we call something like that in Law protection allegation..
Sure, it would have been enough to stay there for 10 minutes and calculate the ap/h, however a screenshot over a long time points out the problem way more in my opinion.
Wouldnt have been enough to post a picture of the Tick and the ap gained in the first 10min?
Actually i was there for 4 hours but ZOS fixed it before I felt the need to post another screen.
Why stay there 4 hours if you dislike it?
At least I can tell myself that I was honest which ia something you most likely can't say about yourself judging from the amount of bs you wrote here.
Did i said i wasnt there ? Nope i referred mostly to player which going harm on "Banning,Shamming and Naming".
Funny Fact i wasnt even there 4 hours, maybe 1-2 in complet time cause i got bored after some time and left and went only there when your little Ad Faction zerged down the Map

I honestly did think better off you aspirion. This is sad.

Everyone who gets above a certain skill level is getting arrogant, sarcastic, disrespectful, elitistic and judges others based on stuff... No one is innocent and everyone is an ***

That might've come out wrong, tbh i enjoy it

ZOS_DaryaK · February 2017

We've removed several posts that were a bit too inflammatory. You don't have to be nice, but you must remain civil when posting on these forums.

montiferus · February 2017

Ahzek wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Loicozor wrote: »

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Loicozor wrote: »

In a game who I forget the name, they kicked all the cheater/exploiter in a private server and they can't go back to the official server with the legit players. It's really the best punishment ever.

I also up for a perma "exploiter" title and a special AR icon or pve icon for pve exploiters

Yup, I think it would match your double mundus stones well

Thank you for noticing it ! Can I return the compliment?

Kris approve this post

Half of Exile would be on that server lol. That isn't even my dislike for Gefstyle etc. talking, we just all know the exploits Exile did, even if they were many moons ago.

Well no matter what you think we've done at least we earned our ranks. Any PvE AP farmers no matter what rank they get and started at will be remembered as that.

Personally ive jumped into enemy homebases and double mundus but its nowhere near as bad as cheating character progression not 1 ounce of my mind wanted to take part in this and wouldnt even if id not been rank 50 for 2 years

Enjoy the PvE.

Exile members were at BB mine though. I guess they are PVE AP farmers too? xD

I don't really care about who exploits and what exploits are done at this point because the game is ***. But when Exile are known for exploiting in the past (and BB mine if we're counting that as an exploit), how can an Exile member want exploiters to be kicked to a private server where they can't play with legit players lol.

Just because someone is in the guild doesnt automatically make them an exploiter, you have nothing to say against loucozor so you attack his guild which means youre personally attacking me. I was first rank 50 EU and gained it 2 years ago and you bring me into this thread. Even without BB mine people like you would rather flip outposts over and over than go out and actually PvP. Even if you guys get a decent rank you will still be nobody scrubs.

Wait so, if I'm at BB mine I'm an exploiter but if someone in Exile is at BB mine they're not an exploiter? Right... Makes a lot of sense I guess?

I don't really care whether you were first rank 50 EU or the last. I don't really care if I'm a nobody and you're a somebody. You're not exactly a good PVPer, and you're more well known for your exploiting than PVPing. I have heard you're pretty clever when it comes to playing the map so congrats on that I guess?

I haven't been flipping outposts, you might want to check your facts on that one. I don't play on Haderus, and on TF I haven't seen any outpost being flipped for farming. The only PVP I've been doing recently is raiding or duoing with friends lol.

If I wanted to bring you into this thread, I would have mentioned you. You're hurt because Lou made himself look like an idiot, so you're trying to save face for him and Exile. Get over yourself, it's embarrassing.

Why do super and regular have the same degree of absorption ? Im confused

They don't have the same level of absorption. The number next to each identifies the quantity in the box. It's a multipack assortment box. Probably the perfect option for this thread as some here seem to be bleeding more than others. HAHA!

Armitas · February 2017

covenant_merchant wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

you know the best punishment for thus Player would be the lock the ap gain equals the exploided aps in bleakers or bb mine.so lets say Player A has 1 mil ap mounthly on azura/tf whatever, exploided 4 mil ap now, then ap will be locked for 4 mounths. as ap is not only you rank but also Gold, 4 mil could be arround 3-4 mil Gold with the rng Containers etc.

As I've said, they removed all the stored AP from the characters that participated to the BB mine festivities. Be they innocent roleplayers like @KisoValley and me, or filthy exploiters taking advantage of broken mechanics and bringing shame to our alliance.

Some of these exploiters said they blew their AP on AP vendors? So I guess this is sort of hit or miss as to whether a punishment was applied.

Syrana · February 2017

some got removed and then there are players who bought Akaviri Motifs so zos cant take their AP away

KisoValley · February 2017

My roleplaying partner Kasa was banned from the forums. How rude and disappointing...

#FreeKasa

e:

Would just like to thank the Aldermi Dominion for their service in supporting me and Kasa in our road to grand overlord through roleplaying at Bleakers outpost.

Turelus · February 2017

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

KisoValley · February 2017

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

maxjapank · February 2017

usmcjdking wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Just curious.. now that people are aware of the empower bug, and are doing things like this:

How would you suggest that be dealt with? What should the penalty be for:

1. Someone who went to BB mine and hung around for a bit having fun watching and chatting with friends
2. Someone who spent two hours mostly AFK and made a 500k AP
3. Someone who spent a solid day and made a few million AP
4. Someone who abused the empower bug to wipe massive groups using an aoe ult whose first tick did 50k+ damage
5. Someone who abused the empower bug to 1-shot someone (as in the image above) with the first tick of radiant

There are different severity of actions, some of which affect other people significantly, and some of which do not.

This is why I've been pushing for a framework / a code of ethics and standards for action -> reaction rather than leave it all subjective with many a hypocrite calling for penalties to be imposed on people who did a heck of a lot less impactful activities than they themselves did historically.

There are 3 types of categories here:

Exploits/Cheats that directly affect other players: Cheat Engine, Empower Bug, Camo Hunter stacking
Exploits/Cheat that indirectly affect other players: Keep jumping via gap closer, infinite survey bug, this bug
Exploits/Cheats that do not affect anyone but the user: VMOL exploiting

The first one is completely inexcusable in PVP and should result in a ban. The second one, whilst serious, isn't game breaking enough to result in a ban unless it was obscenely abused and widely skewed the margin towards the exploiters favor wherein they otherwise would not have had a significant advantage. The 3rd one, while detrimental, should result in no more than a suspension as no other players suffered at the exploit/cheat's expensive.

Cheating is cheating. This is also an mmo. So cheats affect everyone no matter how indirectly. But even that shouldn't matter. Cheating is still cheating.

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

It's not legitimate. No matter how much you say so. It's not.

KisoValley · February 2017

maxjapank wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Just curious.. now that people are aware of the empower bug, and are doing things like this:

How would you suggest that be dealt with? What should the penalty be for:

1. Someone who went to BB mine and hung around for a bit having fun watching and chatting with friends
2. Someone who spent two hours mostly AFK and made a 500k AP
3. Someone who spent a solid day and made a few million AP
4. Someone who abused the empower bug to wipe massive groups using an aoe ult whose first tick did 50k+ damage
5. Someone who abused the empower bug to 1-shot someone (as in the image above) with the first tick of radiant

There are different severity of actions, some of which affect other people significantly, and some of which do not.

This is why I've been pushing for a framework / a code of ethics and standards for action -> reaction rather than leave it all subjective with many a hypocrite calling for penalties to be imposed on people who did a heck of a lot less impactful activities than they themselves did historically.

There are 3 types of categories here:

Exploits/Cheats that directly affect other players: Cheat Engine, Empower Bug, Camo Hunter stacking
Exploits/Cheat that indirectly affect other players: Keep jumping via gap closer, infinite survey bug, this bug
Exploits/Cheats that do not affect anyone but the user: VMOL exploiting

The first one is completely inexcusable in PVP and should result in a ban. The second one, whilst serious, isn't game breaking enough to result in a ban unless it was obscenely abused and widely skewed the margin towards the exploiters favor wherein they otherwise would not have had a significant advantage. The 3rd one, while detrimental, should result in no more than a suspension as no other players suffered at the exploit/cheat's expensive.

Cheating is cheating. This is also an mmo. So cheats affect everyone no matter how indirectly. But even that shouldn't matter. Cheating is still cheating.

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

It's not legitimate. No matter how much you say so. It's not.

Show me where Zos say it isn't and i'll admit I'm wrong.

If roleplayers want to flip a keep to re-enact a war, I'm sure Zos has no problem with that tbh.

Turelus · February 2017

KisoValley wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Just curious.. now that people are aware of the empower bug, and are doing things like this:

How would you suggest that be dealt with? What should the penalty be for:

1. Someone who went to BB mine and hung around for a bit having fun watching and chatting with friends
2. Someone who spent two hours mostly AFK and made a 500k AP
3. Someone who spent a solid day and made a few million AP
4. Someone who abused the empower bug to wipe massive groups using an aoe ult whose first tick did 50k+ damage
5. Someone who abused the empower bug to 1-shot someone (as in the image above) with the first tick of radiant

There are different severity of actions, some of which affect other people significantly, and some of which do not.

This is why I've been pushing for a framework / a code of ethics and standards for action -> reaction rather than leave it all subjective with many a hypocrite calling for penalties to be imposed on people who did a heck of a lot less impactful activities than they themselves did historically.

There are 3 types of categories here:

Exploits/Cheats that directly affect other players: Cheat Engine, Empower Bug, Camo Hunter stacking
Exploits/Cheat that indirectly affect other players: Keep jumping via gap closer, infinite survey bug, this bug
Exploits/Cheats that do not affect anyone but the user: VMOL exploiting

The first one is completely inexcusable in PVP and should result in a ban. The second one, whilst serious, isn't game breaking enough to result in a ban unless it was obscenely abused and widely skewed the margin towards the exploiters favor wherein they otherwise would not have had a significant advantage. The 3rd one, while detrimental, should result in no more than a suspension as no other players suffered at the exploit/cheat's expensive.

Cheating is cheating. This is also an mmo. So cheats affect everyone no matter how indirectly. But even that shouldn't matter. Cheating is still cheating.

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

It's not legitimate. No matter how much you say so. It's not.

Show me where Zos say it isn't and i'll admit I'm wrong.

If roleplayers want to flip a keep to re-enact a war, I'm sure Zos has no problem with that tbh.

And here is why this every exploit and cheap tactic ever in this game has been abused.

KisoValley · February 2017

Turelus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Just curious.. now that people are aware of the empower bug, and are doing things like this:

How would you suggest that be dealt with? What should the penalty be for:

1. Someone who went to BB mine and hung around for a bit having fun watching and chatting with friends
2. Someone who spent two hours mostly AFK and made a 500k AP
3. Someone who spent a solid day and made a few million AP
4. Someone who abused the empower bug to wipe massive groups using an aoe ult whose first tick did 50k+ damage
5. Someone who abused the empower bug to 1-shot someone (as in the image above) with the first tick of radiant

There are different severity of actions, some of which affect other people significantly, and some of which do not.

This is why I've been pushing for a framework / a code of ethics and standards for action -> reaction rather than leave it all subjective with many a hypocrite calling for penalties to be imposed on people who did a heck of a lot less impactful activities than they themselves did historically.

There are 3 types of categories here:

Exploits/Cheats that directly affect other players: Cheat Engine, Empower Bug, Camo Hunter stacking
Exploits/Cheat that indirectly affect other players: Keep jumping via gap closer, infinite survey bug, this bug
Exploits/Cheats that do not affect anyone but the user: VMOL exploiting

The first one is completely inexcusable in PVP and should result in a ban. The second one, whilst serious, isn't game breaking enough to result in a ban unless it was obscenely abused and widely skewed the margin towards the exploiters favor wherein they otherwise would not have had a significant advantage. The 3rd one, while detrimental, should result in no more than a suspension as no other players suffered at the exploit/cheat's expensive.

Cheating is cheating. This is also an mmo. So cheats affect everyone no matter how indirectly. But even that shouldn't matter. Cheating is still cheating.

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

It's not legitimate. No matter how much you say so. It's not.

Show me where Zos say it isn't and i'll admit I'm wrong.

If roleplayers want to flip a keep to re-enact a war, I'm sure Zos has no problem with that tbh.

And here is why this every exploit and cheap tactic ever in this game has been abused.

Where is the exploit/cheap tactic in roleplaying at a outpost? A good friend of mine, ex GO, Legendary Shey, roleplayed wars at Roebeck farm back in the day. If he can roleplay, so can I. Why are people crying about roleplaying at an outpost instead of a resource? Lol.

Turelus · February 2017

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Just curious.. now that people are aware of the empower bug, and are doing things like this:

How would you suggest that be dealt with? What should the penalty be for:

1. Someone who went to BB mine and hung around for a bit having fun watching and chatting with friends
2. Someone who spent two hours mostly AFK and made a 500k AP
3. Someone who spent a solid day and made a few million AP
4. Someone who abused the empower bug to wipe massive groups using an aoe ult whose first tick did 50k+ damage
5. Someone who abused the empower bug to 1-shot someone (as in the image above) with the first tick of radiant

There are different severity of actions, some of which affect other people significantly, and some of which do not.

This is why I've been pushing for a framework / a code of ethics and standards for action -> reaction rather than leave it all subjective with many a hypocrite calling for penalties to be imposed on people who did a heck of a lot less impactful activities than they themselves did historically.

There are 3 types of categories here:

Exploits/Cheats that directly affect other players: Cheat Engine, Empower Bug, Camo Hunter stacking
Exploits/Cheat that indirectly affect other players: Keep jumping via gap closer, infinite survey bug, this bug
Exploits/Cheats that do not affect anyone but the user: VMOL exploiting

The first one is completely inexcusable in PVP and should result in a ban. The second one, whilst serious, isn't game breaking enough to result in a ban unless it was obscenely abused and widely skewed the margin towards the exploiters favor wherein they otherwise would not have had a significant advantage. The 3rd one, while detrimental, should result in no more than a suspension as no other players suffered at the exploit/cheat's expensive.

Cheating is cheating. This is also an mmo. So cheats affect everyone no matter how indirectly. But even that shouldn't matter. Cheating is still cheating.

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

It's not legitimate. No matter how much you say so. It's not.

Show me where Zos say it isn't and i'll admit I'm wrong.

If roleplayers want to flip a keep to re-enact a war, I'm sure Zos has no problem with that tbh.

And here is why this every exploit and cheap tactic ever in this game has been abused.

Where is the exploit/cheap tactic in roleplaying at a outpost? A good friend of mine, ex GO, Legendary Shey, roleplayed wars at Roebeck farm back in the day. If he can roleplay, so can I. Why are people crying about roleplaying at an outpost instead of a resource? Lol.

Well I am a long time game master so maybe I should join the RP sessions.

KisoValley · February 2017

Turelus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Just curious.. now that people are aware of the empower bug, and are doing things like this:

How would you suggest that be dealt with? What should the penalty be for:

1. Someone who went to BB mine and hung around for a bit having fun watching and chatting with friends
2. Someone who spent two hours mostly AFK and made a 500k AP
3. Someone who spent a solid day and made a few million AP
4. Someone who abused the empower bug to wipe massive groups using an aoe ult whose first tick did 50k+ damage
5. Someone who abused the empower bug to 1-shot someone (as in the image above) with the first tick of radiant

There are different severity of actions, some of which affect other people significantly, and some of which do not.

This is why I've been pushing for a framework / a code of ethics and standards for action -> reaction rather than leave it all subjective with many a hypocrite calling for penalties to be imposed on people who did a heck of a lot less impactful activities than they themselves did historically.

There are 3 types of categories here:

Exploits/Cheats that directly affect other players: Cheat Engine, Empower Bug, Camo Hunter stacking
Exploits/Cheat that indirectly affect other players: Keep jumping via gap closer, infinite survey bug, this bug
Exploits/Cheats that do not affect anyone but the user: VMOL exploiting

The first one is completely inexcusable in PVP and should result in a ban. The second one, whilst serious, isn't game breaking enough to result in a ban unless it was obscenely abused and widely skewed the margin towards the exploiters favor wherein they otherwise would not have had a significant advantage. The 3rd one, while detrimental, should result in no more than a suspension as no other players suffered at the exploit/cheat's expensive.

Cheating is cheating. This is also an mmo. So cheats affect everyone no matter how indirectly. But even that shouldn't matter. Cheating is still cheating.

KisoValley wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So is trading at Bleakers actually deemed cheating and facing any account sanctions or should I just join in with the people doing it and get my SP/Achievements faster?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Trading outposts is legitimate. A clever way of using the game mechanics, same as being fed AP etc.

BB mine, even though people were legitimately roleplaying there, was considered an exploit.

It's not legitimate. No matter how much you say so. It's not.

Show me where Zos say it isn't and i'll admit I'm wrong.

If roleplayers want to flip a keep to re-enact a war, I'm sure Zos has no problem with that tbh.

And here is why this every exploit and cheap tactic ever in this game has been abused.

Where is the exploit/cheap tactic in roleplaying at a outpost? A good friend of mine, ex GO, Legendary Shey, roleplayed wars at Roebeck farm back in the day. If he can roleplay, so can I. Why are people crying about roleplaying at an outpost instead of a resource? Lol.

Well I am a long time game master so maybe I should join the RP sessions.

You are more than welcome to join us. We are still going strong.