What the Daggerfall Overlook needs to be worth the price

idk · February 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Your reply doesn't make sense. Then again it's someone challenging to understand the younger generation.

Thx for giving it a go with an attempt to try to shut out an oppinion. Lol

Stopnaggin · February 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem on my part. I find it ironic that in the original post its "don't buy it" and a couple of lines down its "only when crowns are on sale". And yes I have crowns from my sub, why would I not use them? Kind of silly isn't it? Telling me I can not buy it because the crowns from my sub were not a sale item? Lol. It is only a ripoff if you see it that way, others may find hours of enjoyment from it. So telling someone to not buy something because you don't see a value is pretty ballsy. That's like me yelling someone to not buy alcohol because it's not worth it. I mean your just gonna *** it out anyway.

Jonno · February 2017

I did buy it fully furnished then i bought the hundings house fully furnished and ued the furnishings from daggerfall overlook to further furnish the hunding house i now use the daggerfall mansion as storage but i now have the best title in the game (Until they make a Princess Title)

idk · February 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem on my part. I find it ironic that in the original post its "don't buy it" and a couple of lines down its "only when crowns are on sale". And yes I have crowns from my sub, why would I not use them? Kind of silly isn't it? Telling me I can not buy it because the crowns from my sub were not a sale item? Lol. It is only a ripoff if you see it that way, others may find hours of enjoyment from it. So telling someone to not buy something because you don't see a value is pretty ballsy. That's like me yelling someone to not buy alcohol because it's not worth it. I mean your just gonna *** it out anyway.

True but I think he was trying to be cute in belittling me with his reply rather than actually trying to add to the conversation.

bloodthirstyvampire · February 2017

Jonno wrote: »

I did buy it fully furnished then i bought the hundings house fully furnished and ued the furnishings from daggerfall overlook to further furnish the hunding house i now use the daggerfall mansion as storage but i now have the best title in the game (Until they make a Princess Title)

What about countess for owning all 3

MornaBaine · February 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem on my part. I find it ironic that in the original post its "don't buy it" and a couple of lines down its "only when crowns are on sale". And yes I have crowns from my sub, why would I not use them? Kind of silly isn't it? Telling me I can not buy it because the crowns from my sub were not a sale item? Lol. It is only a ripoff if you see it that way, others may find hours of enjoyment from it. So telling someone to not buy something because you don't see a value is pretty ballsy. That's like me yelling someone to not buy alcohol because it's not worth it. I mean your just gonna *** it out anyway.

The OP simply points out what a bad value this particular pixel property is. People are always free to throw away their money however they would like. Doing so on this, however, merely reinforces the idea that ZOS can make us swallow pretty much anything and I personally feel that's a really bad message to send them. As paying customers we can and should demand more value for our money, whether it be real money or in-game currency like gold.

wizzerd_lg_ESO · February 2017

I think it's pretty awesome and expect I'll buy it eventually. Right now I'm greatly enjoying the Port Hunding palace. Coolest house in the game, at least for me. I do want to get the Daggerfall one day though. I do wish the advertised "Dungeon" area was more than the dump in Slaughterfish Bay however. I'll really enjoy building my own dock, but it doesn't mean much without a ship to put there... What would really be cool is a ship that could "sail" (yeah, zone-port) me to various dock areas in the game...

Prof_Bawbag · February 2017

ZoS would be insane not to price certain fluff content like this because there's obviously enough people out there that will buy any old rubbish and place little value on cash. I think any business would be silly not to get as much cash from the least amount of time and work involved creating any given product. I'd be fleecing these people too and laughing all the way to the bank in the process.

TheRealPotoroo · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Sale prices don't count when making the comparison he's making, only regular prices. And why shouldn't he urge people not to buy something that is very poor value?

S1ipperyJim wrote: »

The tower actually has far better views than, for instance Ebonheart mansion and you can easily view them by jumping onto the lower part of the railing. The only thing I agree with in this post is that the home needs fireplaces.

What Overlook are you talking about? The one I've seen has no view at all from the tower, just some clouds if you're lucky. ZoS copying and pasting Daggerfall Castle's complete lack of a view is one of the laziest things I've seen in a long time.

MornaBaine · February 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

ZoS would be insane not to price certain fluff content like this because there's obviously enough people out there that will buy any old rubbish and place little value on cash. I think any business would be silly not to get as much cash from the least amount of time and work involved creating any given product. I'd be fleecing these people too and laughing all the way to the bank in the process.

Which kind of highlights pretty much everything that is wrong with the world today. Lack of integrity and lack of pride in one's product. I keep hoping this isn't really how it is with ZOS but they keep putting out things that dash that spark of hope pretty regularly.

llSRRll · February 2017

Making it so expensive in the Crown store is something I actually like, makes me feel like making all the in game gold that Ive made is actually worth something. I do agree however on some of your other points like the beach where is the beach lol, the railing being obscured is stupid too smh. Anyways I'm DC hardcore so I'll buy it anyways.

SaRuZ · February 2017

I have to agree with OP and not just with $$$.

I have been farming hard for two months to finally have 4 Million gold for this Manor specifically. After seeing it, I am disappointed, sickened even. There are large houses that look better and not so generic.

Also the LIGHTING in most of these ****ing housess! Fix this ****. Looks like a damn gloomy pit ffs.

Prof_Bawbag · February 2017

MornaBaine wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

ZoS would be insane not to price certain fluff content like this because there's obviously enough people out there that will buy any old rubbish and place little value on cash. I think any business would be silly not to get as much cash from the least amount of time and work involved creating any given product. I'd be fleecing these people too and laughing all the way to the bank in the process.

Which kind of highlights pretty much everything that is wrong with the world today. Lack of integrity and lack of pride in one's product. I keep hoping this isn't really how it is with ZOS but they keep putting out things that dash that spark of hope pretty regularly.

I can't name a single large corp that has any morals (Zemimax media being one themselves) or who genuinely give 2 hoots about you or I. It's just the way they make their millions and in some cases billions and in today's world. If they don't keep increasing their profits year by year, the people in charge are considered failures. How many times have you seen on the news or read that profits are down by 0.1% over the previous quarter the year before. OMFG, they only made £3b profit. The shame.

I'm not saying it's right as I'm on your side, but it is what it is. So much naivety surrounding ZoS on here. There are people who still think ZoS, Bethesda etc are their best friends and have our best interests at heart, then act all shocked when their concerns get filed in the bin.

nursingninja · February 2017

With real estate digital or otherwise....

Location
Location
Location

That's why people buy this place. It's a nice house and a short ride from daggerfall.

If you're a fantasy RP sort this is the one you want. That's why I chose it. For some reason I don't see my breton wizard hanging out in a desert, swamp, or jungle. Also he is kinda racist against orcs and argonians so that's not gonna happen.

I agree that access to the balcony would be nice. But I wouldn't want them to reorganize too much as I have a nice library in mine, every one of shalidors books on display. I wouldn't want to have to reset them all on shelves again.

Truly my only real beef is the item limit. I need about double the 700 cap.

Stopnaggin · February 2017

MornaBaine wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem on my part. I find it ironic that in the original post its "don't buy it" and a couple of lines down its "only when crowns are on sale". And yes I have crowns from my sub, why would I not use them? Kind of silly isn't it? Telling me I can not buy it because the crowns from my sub were not a sale item? Lol. It is only a ripoff if you see it that way, others may find hours of enjoyment from it. So telling someone to not buy something because you don't see a value is pretty ballsy. That's like me yelling someone to not buy alcohol because it's not worth it. I mean your just gonna *** it out anyway.

The OP simply points out what a bad value this particular pixel property is. People are always free to throw away their money however they would like. Doing so on this, however, merely reinforces the idea that ZOS can make us swallow pretty much anything and I personally feel that's a really bad message to send them. As paying customers we can and should demand more value for our money, whether it be real money or in-game currency like gold.

While this may be true in others opinions, not everyone place the same value on things. I sub and the only real value to me are the crowns, which aren't as many as I'd like, and the craft bag. Others have dropped subs because of the xpac not being included or any other myriad of reasons. My biggest problem with the whole thing is when people assume everyone is going to go out and buy crown packs to purchase these manors. While that may be true in some cases, it's not true of all of us. I have almost 20k crowns from my sub and various sales, this is the first object of value I have seen, value to me anyway.

If everyone would take a real step back and take a look at cs pricing, it's not much different that it used to be. This may be long winded but try to follow for a minute. Before crates were introduced, any purple motif offered in game was sold in the crown for 5000 crowns, bag space upgrades were higher in the store, mounts were higher in the store. Any items offered in the store were reasonably priced if they were it offered in game. I will give you the 2 cs exclusive motifs as an example, right around 2k crowns. From my observations in game items are higher in the store. Reasons could be for any number of reasons, I like to call it a lazy tax. I farmed Maw to get all my dromathra motifs, if they had sold that motif in the cs for pittance it would not have made a portion of the player base very happy. 6k crowns isn't far off the mark from other motifs in the store considering it also comes with crowns.
From my perspective it wouldn't matter what the prices were, some people are going to complain, again for various reasons.

All in all its just going to boil down to what each individual feels as value. I know my playstyle and can see myself being entertained with housing for a good while. I have the crowns that I have recieved from precious months of subbing so they are basically free for me. What I mean is those crowns were from a sub that I have already used, and recieved my entertainment from.

MornaBaine · February 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem on my part. I find it ironic that in the original post its "don't buy it" and a couple of lines down its "only when crowns are on sale". And yes I have crowns from my sub, why would I not use them? Kind of silly isn't it? Telling me I can not buy it because the crowns from my sub were not a sale item? Lol. It is only a ripoff if you see it that way, others may find hours of enjoyment from it. So telling someone to not buy something because you don't see a value is pretty ballsy. That's like me yelling someone to not buy alcohol because it's not worth it. I mean your just gonna *** it out anyway.

The OP simply points out what a bad value this particular pixel property is. People are always free to throw away their money however they would like. Doing so on this, however, merely reinforces the idea that ZOS can make us swallow pretty much anything and I personally feel that's a really bad message to send them. As paying customers we can and should demand more value for our money, whether it be real money or in-game currency like gold.

While this may be true in others opinions, not everyone place the same value on things. I sub and the only real value to me are the crowns, which aren't as many as I'd like, and the craft bag. Others have dropped subs because of the xpac not being included or any other myriad of reasons. My biggest problem with the whole thing is when people assume everyone is going to go out and buy crown packs to purchase these manors. While that may be true in some cases, it's not true of all of us. I have almost 20k crowns from my sub and various sales, this is the first object of value I have seen, value to me anyway.

If everyone would take a real step back and take a look at cs pricing, it's not much different that it used to be. This may be long winded but try to follow for a minute. Before crates were introduced, any purple motif offered in game was sold in the crown for 5000 crowns, bag space upgrades were higher in the store, mounts were higher in the store. Any items offered in the store were reasonably priced if they were it offered in game. I will give you the 2 cs exclusive motifs as an example, right around 2k crowns. From my observations in game items are higher in the store. Reasons could be for any number of reasons, I like to call it a lazy tax. I farmed Maw to get all my dromathra motifs, if they had sold that motif in the cs for pittance it would not have made a portion of the player base very happy. 6k crowns isn't far off the mark from other motifs in the store considering it also comes with crowns.
From my perspective it wouldn't matter what the prices were, some people are going to complain, again for various reasons.

All in all its just going to boil down to what each individual feels as value. I know my playstyle and can see myself being entertained with housing for a good while. I have the crowns that I have recieved from precious months of subbing so they are basically free for me. What I mean is those crowns were from a sub that I have already used, and recieved my entertainment from.

Again, what it really comes down to when determining value, is; How do we assign a cash value to crowns? Well, the most logical way to do that is to look at what they sell for in terms of real money. I stated their really
money cost in my OP. It's a lot.

Callous2208 · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Your reply doesn't make sense. Then again it's someone challenging to understand the younger generation.

Thx for giving it a go with an attempt to try to shut out an oppinion. Lol

Are you the younger generation that's hard to understand here or am I in this scenario? The misspelled words and improper grammar would have me leaning towards you being the younger and I the elder. The attempt to stand your ground and go above and beyond to be offended by the op would betray this fact as well. But then that sad one liner at the end wouldn't make sense. Hmm...interesting.

Edit: I read what you wrote to the Lotro fan boy in another thread and I wish to call truce and be friends again.

idk · February 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Sale prices don't count when making the comparison he's making, only regular prices. And why shouldn't he urge people not to buy something that is very poor value?

S1ipperyJim wrote: »

The tower actually has far better views than, for instance Ebonheart mansion and you can easily view them by jumping onto the lower part of the railing. The only thing I agree with in this post is that the home needs fireplaces.

What Overlook are you talking about? The one I've seen has no view at all from the tower, just some clouds if you're lucky. ZoS copying and pasting Daggerfall Castle's complete lack of a view is one of the laziest things I've seen in a long time.

@TheRealPotoroo

Sale prices certainly do count. Especially since we knew housing was coming, no reason to think the better selections would be cheap and crown were in sale not long ago.

Not my problem some ignored the obvious and didn't plan ahead.

MLGProPlayer · February 2017

The crown prices for all of the houses are bat *** insane IMO. $80 for a cosmetic virtual good is way beyond what I'd ever consider paying. This is doubly true since making gold in the game isn't very difficult at all.

The price only makes sense IMO if you've been subbing for years and have 15-20k crowns just wasting away. Might as well spend them on something.

MLGProPlayer · February 2017

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I believe this is the most popular manor. And I'm sure SOZ will make small adjustments here and there based on feedback.

Not according to my stats.

S1ipperyJim · February 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

What Overlook are you talking about? The one I've seen has no view at all from the tower, just some clouds if you're lucky. ZoS copying and pasting Daggerfall Castle's complete lack of a view is one of the laziest things I've seen in a long time.

What Overlook are YOU talking about, Daggerfall Overlook tower has an awesome view to the North of Daggerfall, and the harbour and ship. It's spectacular.

mb10 · February 2017

Why are crowns more expensive for US customers?

5500 is £23 which is = $28

but you guys pay $39.99 for them it makes no sense.

zyk · February 2017

I feel the gold price is appropriate for the content. I think that if players are going to be offered a Crown store shortcut, it should cost a lot, otherwise it would be a slap in the face to the gamers who work hard to earn the gold.

I very much enjoy the Daggerfall Overlook. I have no regrets about purchasing it (with gold) at all. It offers a lot of space, flexibility and different environments to enjoy -- castle, courtyard, ocean.

bloodthirstyvampire · February 2017

Now that ive seen it with my own eyes i agree buuut im still going to buy it

magicksedge · February 2017

I'll admit that my eyebrows went up when I read the price of the manors, but I just shrugged, housing really is just a vanity trip, it's not going to affect gameplay one way or another.

Dao_Jones · February 2017

I'm a returning player from 2014, so I'm both broke (less than $50k gold), and have no Crowns to speak of (2300, which includes the 1500 I just got for subbing for a month).

As I was looking at all the new housing available, I kept saying to myself, "these prices are ridiculous. What kind of idiot would spend that much actual money on a pixel trophy?"

I then recalled that I am a Concierge-level backer in Star Citizen (which means I've spent north of $1000 on .jpg spaceships in that yet-to-be-released game).

So the answer to my own question is: "I am that kind of idiot."

FloppyTouch · February 2017

I just got the manor and I love it I built a huge deck out into the ocean all the way to the rocks and built up three floor already used up 200/700 item slots XD I don't think I'm going to do anything to the rest of the place just a cool huge deck lmao

TheRealPotoroo · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Sale prices certainly do count. Especially since we knew housing was coming, no reason to think the better selections would be cheap and crown were in sale not long ago.

Not my problem some ignored the obvious and didn't plan ahead.

No, sale prices do not count when making the comparison he's making. Since they are opportunistic you cannot legitimately use them to gauge the fundamental value of something. The OP is correct.

S1ipperyJim wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

What Overlook are you talking about? The one I've seen has no view at all from the tower, just some clouds if you're lucky. ZoS copying and pasting Daggerfall Castle's complete lack of a view is one of the laziest things I've seen in a long time.

What Overlook are YOU talking about, Daggerfall Overlook tower has an awesome view to the North of Daggerfall, and the harbour and ship. It's spectacular.

I went up the tower. This is not a view, much less a multi-million gold one:

This is a view:

Enslaved · February 2017

TL;DR summary: Add this, add that.... Where is the stash space? 105€ for a useless area where you cannot even summon your assistants, but you have to place them and walk to them every time you want to put something in bank, for example. And banker still is crippled one, same as vendor. It would seem that the more the price of an item is in real money, Zos make it more broken. Stashless homes, non store/gb banker, vendor that cannot repair stuff, 35€ mount that shows no upgrade progression.. I hope, I really hope with all my heart that Morrowind will be much much better than all the stuff I mentioned in this post.

SquareSausage · February 2017

If people are paying for these large houses with crowns not from their sub, then wow, just wow, you need a long hard look at yourself which you will probably do in a week when you are bored, and reached your 700 item limit and have only finished furnishing 1 room with more crown bought items.